MMA Off-Topic

[aholbert32]

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hahah!

The UFC can very much control the rankings.

If I was Cyborg I'd see if Bellator had a good offer+ ability to bring in her own sponors. I'd watch Cyborg vs Budd.

I'm sure they could. They could change the vote totals. They could directly instruct the media to vote a certain way (dangerous given that they are media members who would likely report this corruption and dont get paid for this)

What you arent presenting is ANY evidence showing that they have or even why they would. Also, who gives a **** if Jon Jones or DC or Henry Cejudo is on their P4P list? LOL. How does that result in single dollar more in sales? Is anyone buying or not buying a PPV simply because Jones is on the list?

Furthermore, I guess we will just ignore the fact that other media outlets (ESPN/Newsday/MMA Junkie) all have him on their lists. **** he's #1 on Newsday and ESPN's lists.

[aholbert32]

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A come on, he's just pulling yer leg. you're among friends

Nah he's not. Dave is still mad at me from a while back when I called him out about a change in the way he posts. Its all good though. I was just trying to give him some info it appeared he didnt have.

[MacGowan]

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who gives a **** if Jon Jones or DC or Henry Cejudo is on their P4P list?

Jeez, chill. what's with the animosity?

[aholbert32]

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Jeez, chill. what's with the animosity?

No animosity at all here. Thats why I laughed after that statement. The question remains though. Who cares about that? There are a ton of things to complain about that are UFC related:

- The number of interim belts.
- The way they are currently handling the WW division title.
- Their refusal to let non title fights headline ppvs
- The fact that they moved an entire event to a different city simply for one fighter.
- The cost of the USADA arbitration process that makes it extremely hard for low to mid level fighters to appeal failed drug tests.
- The fact that the explosion in the number of cards has lead to top heavy ppv cards.

Those are just off the top of my head. A p4p list isnt a sign of the UFC doing wrong or that its "punishing active fighters" though. Thats been my entire point. No animosity. I just thought that statement was silly.

[Dave_S]

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Nah he's not. Dave is still mad at me from a while back when I called him out about a change in the way he posts. Its all good though. I was just trying to give him some info it appeared he didnt have.

I wasn't joking


I'm not mad at aholbert at all, I don't know him. I don't remember him saying anything about changing the way I post. My posts generally don't break the TOS like others. I actually thought I remembered Aholbert telling me not to change the way I post.


Nunes is talking about Cyborg waiting years for a rematch, Dana's words on rematch were "I don’t think you do,” White said. “I mean, it was a pretty convincing win. … I gotta get back in the lab and figure it out, but we’ll come up with something for her.”

None of that has anything to do with her contract being up.











In other news, about the handling of WW title. I don't like Colby but it seems messed up if he gets passed over for title fight, if he's not currently injured. (Unless the interim belt was complete malarkey.

[aholbert32]

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I wasn't joking


I'm not mad at aholbert at all, I don't know him. I don't remember him saying anything about changing the way I post. My posts generally don't break the TOS like others. I actually thought I remembered Aholbert telling me not to change the way I post.


Nunes is talking about Cyborg waiting years for a rematch, Dana's words on rematch were "I don’t think you do,” White said. “I mean, it was a pretty convincing win. … I gotta get back in the lab and figure it out, but we’ll come up with something for her.”

None of that has anything to do with her contract being up.











In other news, about the handling of WW title. I don't like Colby but it seems messed up if he gets passed over for title fight, if he's not currently injured. (Unless the interim belt was complete malarkey.

You seriously dont think any of this has to do with her not being under contract? There is no one for Nunes to fight at 145 other than Anderson. The obvious fight is a rematch and its the fight that will generate the most revenue. Its smells like a negotiation ploy. You want a rematch...sign a long term deal.

The whole Dana hates Cyborg theory doesnt hold up anyway. He definitely preferred Ronda over her but I've never heard of a promoter putting a fighter in main events of PPVs and TV cards if they disliked her. **** even the cards she didnt headline were some of the biggest non-Conor cards they've had.

FYI, I did call out the way you started posting around the time you stopped posting on the UFC board. There was a change. I called you out. You took offense. No need to rehash the whole thing but facts are facts.

[Dave_S]

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You dont think any of this has to do with her not being under contract? There is no one for Nunes to fight at 145 other than Anderson. The obvious fight is a rematch and its the fight that will generate the most revenue. Its smells like a negotiation ploy. You want a rematch...sign a long term deal.

The whole Dana hates Cyborg theory doesnt hold up anyway. He definitely preferred Ronda over her but I've never heard of a promoter putting a fighter in main events of PPVs and TV cards if they disliked her. **** even the cards she didnt headline were some of the biggest non-Conor cards they've had.

FYI, I did call out the way you started posting around the time you stopped posting on the UFC board. There was a change. I called you out. You took offense. No need to rehash the whole thing but facts are facts.

About facts, I can draw conclusion from what I see. I'm making statements based on what Dana and Amanda said. Going off of facts, and not speculation.


If there is no need to rehash the whole thing then why even bring it up?


If you are not arguing for arguing sake, why stand up for ufc in the first place? Why call his comments silly? Why not just ignore it, or say you disagree?



For those interested for some reason here are the threads I created in that forum. I left because I mostly left got tired of one person that's always breaking the rules and that was trolling me on social media.
https://forums.operationsports.com/f...rchid=14249535

And all my posts
https://forums.operationsports.com/f...rchid=14249538

[Dave_S]

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In other news, I realize Luke Thomas might not be everyone's cup of tea, but i rather enjoyed this segment. Specifically about 5 round fights being so much more harder on the body than 3 round fights.


I feel kinda like a jerk now for being upset that some 3 round fights weren't scheduled for 5 rounds.

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[aholbert32]

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About facts, I can draw conclusion from what I see. I'm making statements based on what Dana and Amanda said. Going off of facts, and not speculation.


If there is no need to rehash the whole thing then why even bring it up?


If you are not arguing for arguing sake, why stand up for ufc in the first place? Why call his comments silly? Why not just ignore it, or say you disagree?



For those interested for some reason here are the threads I created in that forum. I left because I mostly left got tired of one person that's always breaking the rules and that was trolling me on social media.
https://forums.operationsports.com/f...rchid=14249535

And all my posts
https://forums.operationsports.com/f...rchid=14249538

There are HUNDREDS (thousands?) of posts that I ignore everyday in the UFC and MMA forums. I used to be unbelievably active in the MMA Forums. I used to post in each new event and when I was a mod was the one who stickied them. I fell back from that right around the time the the EA forums merged because there isnt a ton of depth in the conversations here. As I said before its become an echo chamber where people just agree with each other. Its not a discussion forum...its a circle jerk.

For example, there are so many levels to the Jon Jones and/or Greg Hardy situations that could be discussed here but thats not really shown here. Alot of the conversation is just surface and I ignore a ton of it. Why? Because many of you cant handle debate.

Read my original post again. I asked you did I miss something? I asked you did someone from the UFC comment on that. Why? Because I honestly didnt know. Everything I heard post fight was that Cyborg's contract was up and that she had a deal lined up to box one of the biggest women's boxers after the fight.

You couldve just responded posting the link to Dana's comments. I wouldve still stated my speculation (based on facts) but that wouldve been the end of the discussion. You didnt. You went another route and accused me of always defending the UFC.

As for you, I didnt rehash anything. Macgowan said you were joking and I knew you werent and knew why. So I told him. Thats it. Nothing more to it. I would try to find the exact post where you stated you were going to stop posting in the UFC forums (in direct response to me stating that your posting style changed once people claimed you were too positive about the game) but its not worth the effort.

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[Dave_S]

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You're right. I'm sorry.


Now, let's move on forward with mostly fun mma off topic discussion!


I don't care about p4p list, but I haven't really bought into it for a while. I think the best p4p fighters are lighter weight.

[TheShizNo1]

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Aholbert, what stuff were you talking about with beyond surface level topic convos exist with Jones and Hardy?

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[WarMMA]

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hahah!

The UFC can very much control the rankings.

If I was Cyborg I'd see if Bellator had a good offer+ ability to bring in her own sponors. I'd watch Cyborg vs Budd.

Or she could always go to RIZIN and fight Gabi

[p_rushing]

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- Rumor has it that ESPN didnt love Smith and his contract was up. They are moving Bisping to the booth. So with Bisping, Cruz, Felder, DC, Hardy and Rogan, they had more than enough color commentators. Smith is good though but I understand the decision.



- Did i miss something? When did someone say Cyborg didnt deserve another shot? Her contract is up and they no longer have the champions clause to keep her under contract. She has been very open about wanting to do other things like boxing and MT so alot of it has to do with her. Furthermore, there really arent any 145s left other than Anderson (and Holm).

They should have dumped Rogan, but I guess they need to keep him under control with his podcast having a huge audience. Without the UFC pay, he may actually be real again and not toe the line.


Cyborg really needs to go to PFL for next year. Would be huge for both. PFL has no one in a made up 155 division and she gets a title shot by just showing up to the tournament. She also doesn't need to cut so much weight. Kayla vs Cyborg could be huge for PFL and easily could do it for 2 years.

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[aholbert32]

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Aholbert, what stuff were you talking about with beyond surface level topic convos exist with Jones and Hardy?

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Lets start with Hardy. We can all agree that he is a scumbag that beat his GF, right? Thats an easy take. Hardy was convicted, appealed and the charges were dropped (Rumor has it he paid off his ex GF and she refused to cooperate with the appeal). Its easy to just say "he's a scumbag who beat his GF so he should never be able to fight in the UFC". Its trickier though if you apply that rule to other fan favorites.

Rumble Johnson. Everyone loves Rumble. He has ridiculous power and his fights are always fun. Well, he has been charged with domestic violence 3 times in the last 10 yrs. The 2nd one is similar to Hardy's where the woman wanted to press charges but refused to cooperate and the charges were dropped. When Rumble was fighting for the LHW title, I dont remember anyone here or really on the net complaining about why Rumble was getting title shots and headlining fights when he had a history of domestic abuse.

Tito Ortiz. Back in 2010, he was arrested for abusing his wife. She later declined to cooperate and charges were dropped. Same as with Rumble....I dont remember anyone complaining about him fighting in the UFC or Bellator or Golden Boy based on his past charge. Travis Browne is another one.

Now, its absolutely fair to say "Ban them all." Im ok with that response but what most MMA fans do is pick and choose who to be upset about and who not to be.

Some have also said "I dont care about Hardy's history. I'm just pissed he has a co-main event slot in his debut". On the surface, thats an OK take. He's 2-0 and 2-0 fighters dont get those slots (Brock Lesnar got one on a PPV when he was 1-0 but its rare).

If you dig a little deeper, you kinda have to acknowledge that Greg Hardy is more well known in America (the UFC's #1 market) than anyone else on the card including the two champions who are headlining the event. This is also the UFC's ESPN debut so its a no-brainer to have a well known athlete higher on the card (especially the part of the card that requires a subscription) to entice casual or non-mma fans to watch the fight and pay for the card. It actually makes all the sense in the world from a business perspective.

As a HW and a well known athlete outside of the sport, Hardy has a chance to become a big time draw. You dont grow a draw by sticking him on the prelims simply because he hasnt "earned" his spot.

[TheShizNo1]

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Damn, I didn't know that about Rumble. Glad you didn't bring that up when he was fighting for the title.

I also feel like the Travis Browne stuff just disappeared.

And once Ostovich said she didn't mind Hardy on the card, I felt like no one can be upset. If she's ok with it then how can anyone else not be?

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