One thing that worries me about the game

[DueceDiggla]

Is that a lot of the fighters will feel the same. Hughes, Sherk, Lesnar, etc....may all be exactly the same fighter. Will fighting with a guy like Swick be exactly the same as fighting with Shogun? I'm starting to feel like this will be a problem. But I guess time will tell.

I only say this after watching the Gamespot tourny. The fighters didn't fight too different then Chuck and Shogun.

[whoady4shoady]

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Yeah, Ive thought alot about this myself, and I really dont see everyone being to different until they start motion capturing each individual fighter, which wont be happening any time soon. I still think the game will be fun with friends, and I cant wait for the CAF, but I think it will get repetitve.

Another thing Im worried about is what will happen to online play once everyone starts using the same fighters in each weight class?

Only time will tell my friend.

[sven]

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I dont think it will really be an issue for me.

[Gotmadskillzson]

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CPU AI logic will all make them different. People may have the same backgrounds but they all prefer doing certain things.

Swick prefers boxing, only goes for subs every once in a while.

Shogun is more of a muay thai guy, he throws kicks and clinches with the knees. But above all his logic is to take it to the ground when he don't have a striking advantage.

Lesnar is strictly a ground and pound guy. He will rarely stand and bang.

Dan Henderson loves ground and pound as well. However he loves dirty boxing too. So therefore he prefers stand up.

Sherk is a ground and pound guy, but also loves to stand and bang.

Matt Hughes is a ground guy, who loves to submit people with the kimura or rear naked choke.

So you see, fighters will be different because their way of thinking is different.

As far as online goes, you can say that about all the sports games. Everytime I play MLB The Show online all I see is the Yankees, Red Sox. With NBA 2K9 all I see is Cavs, Celtics, Lakers.

[phillyfan23]

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CPU AI logic will all make them different. People may have the same backgrounds but they all prefer doing certain things.

Swick prefers boxing, only goes for subs every once in a while.

Shogun is more of a muay thai guy, he throws kicks and clinches with the knees. But above all his logic is to take it to the ground when he don't have a striking advantage.

Lesnar is strictly a ground and pound guy. He will rarely stand and bang.

Dan Henderson loves ground and pound as well. However he loves dirty boxing too. So therefore he prefers stand up.

Sherk is a ground and pound guy, but also loves to stand and bang.

Matt Hughes is a ground guy, who loves to submit people with the kimura or rear naked choke.

So you see, fighters will be different because their way of thinking is different.

As far as online goes, you can say that about all the sports games. Everytime I play MLB The Show online all I see is the Yankees, Red Sox. With NBA 2K9 all I see is Cavs, Celtics, Lakers.

I hope you are right about the fighters, but that is all speculation at this point. You've just pointed out their real life styles, but it doesn't mean that it will be apparent in the game. From the DEMO, it is very evident that Shogun and Liddell fight completely differently, so you could be right, and I'm hoping you are.

But, we're all still in the dark about this issue really....

we will find out in 10 days.

[Gotmadskillzson]

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Man waiting for this game to drop feels like Christmas as a little kid, counting down the days LOL. I don't think I ever done that before for a videogame.

[Cpre5]

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And when playing on expert I notice different styles from the same fighter. Sometimes when I fight chuck he uses more kicks, other times he drops superman punches again and again. The only I don't like about expert is how Rua goes for take downs over and over and over and over.

[Gotmadskillzson]

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I noticed that too. So I think the higher the difficulty setting, the more they will rely on their strength and actual CPU AI. The Rua thing don't upset me, I enjoy it actually. Considering he is a BJJ guy, he should be going for a lot of take downs.

I can imagine playing againg Karo, he going for judo throw after judo throw LOL. Or Anderson Silva doing the clinch constantly.

Rather have them doing that, then seeing them do something out of character. Like seeing Brock going for leg locks and throwing knees.

[whoady4shoady]

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I noticed that too. So I think the higher the difficulty setting, the more they will rely on their strength and actual CPU AI. The Rua thing don't upset me, I enjoy it actually. Considering he is a BJJ guy, he should be going for a lot of take downs.

I can imagine playing againg Karo, he going for judo throw after judo throw LOL. Or Anderson Silva doing the clinch constantly.

Rather have them doing that, then seeing them do something out of character. Like seeing Brock going for leg locks and throwing knees.

Couldnt agree more.

[DueceDiggla]

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I noticed that too. So I think the higher the difficulty setting, the more they will rely on their strength and actual CPU AI. The Rua thing don't upset me, I enjoy it actually. Considering he is a BJJ guy, he should be going for a lot of take downs.

I can imagine playing againg Karo, he going for judo throw after judo throw LOL. Or Anderson Silva doing the clinch constantly.

Rather have them doing that, then seeing them do something out of character. Like seeing Brock going for leg locks and throwing knees.

Actually I don't think I guy like Brock even had the abilities to throw knees or go for a leg lock. I say this because Rampage played the game yesterday and he said they didn't give him head kicks because he hasn't really thrown any in the UFC. If thats true(which I think is kind of cool), I would assume guys like Brock would never be able to submit someone unless they're close to dead, or a guy like Nate Diaz throwing head kicks too.

[phillyfan23]

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Actually I don't think I guy like Brock even had the abilities to throw knees or go for a leg lock. I say this because Rampage played the game yesterday and he said they didn't give him head kicks because he hasn't really thrown any in the UFC. If thats true(which I think is kind of cool), I would assume guys like Brock would never be able to submit someone unless they're close to dead, or a guy like Nate Diaz throwing head kicks too.

damn he come over your house or something ? hehe ....

in all seriousness, I think it's great that the game doesn't give him high kicks, gives more variety.

But the pessimist side of me says that they only paid this kind of attention to detail to the top marquee guys. Hope I'm wrong though. It'd be nice if the lower 40 if the players have some differentiation to them in moves, tendencies, and aggression levels. Will make this game just out of this world.

Another thing i think they should add next year is a learning tendency for the cpu fighters. So it's always a chess match DURING the fight.As of now, the cpu defense on expert is top notch, but it could be improved by this feature. Say you're a Griffin and for the first 2 rounds you have had success in countering Shogun's body kicks with a straight punch, 3rd round, either Shogun scraps that body kick or throw feints on that kick. Hey, if NHL EA can do it, I'm sure THQ can as well.
A bit complicated yes, but it would be just the icing on the cake for gameplay.

We all know that Rashad Evans loves to strategize during a fight and adjust and have lots of success, so the learning parameter should be there but different for each fighter. An Evans would have a high learning rate and Bonnar maybe a much lower one or even some fighters NONE at all. Adds another dimension to the fights,IMO.

[whoady4shoady]

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Poor Page. LOL

[wyrm187]

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well Im glad someone posted this as this was my only fear as well - I have to say that for a brand new engine and having 80+ fighters this game is going to be a lot of fun and it looks like they did a pretty good job.
I think we will see more of the nuances of each fighter in future versions - there are simply too many fighters to give them signature moves & styles for each one - I am hoping you guys are right about the AI being unique for each fighter although I am willing to bet they have about 5-6 "personalities" or fighting trends programmed and they are dispersed among all the fighters - fingers are crossed

[allBthere]

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Actually I don't think I guy like Brock even had the abilities to throw knees or go for a leg lock. I say this because Rampage played the game yesterday and he said they didn't give him head kicks because he hasn't really thrown any in the UFC. If thats true(which I think is kind of cool), I would assume guys like Brock would never be able to submit someone unless they're close to dead, or a guy like Nate Diaz throwing head kicks too.

Wazzup Duece...actually Ramp can't throw head kicks because he is a boxer. No boxer can do it in the game as far as I know.

Since you brought up the AI/fighters being the same - I can tell you that about half the guys in the game came in to give feedback on how they fight. So someone like Swick would have said, " no no, in this situation, I'd do this and this, not that" etc... I can't source that anymore because I stopped caring about the info once I got the demo. Another thing is, their strengths too, they'll play biased towards them as you see in the demo. Against other humans, well, they'll just do what they want win or lose.

you will see tons of similarities though, like Brock is a boxer/wrestler style, so anyone boxer/wrestler that has his main strength in wrestling will probably go for takedowns and ground and pound. Bader, and Brock will play very similar most likely, but that's cool with me. The one thing that I can tell doesn't play much of a factor is weight (and maybe height too) like if brock is on top of you, it won't be any harder to transition out than anyone else.

[p_rushing]

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The one thing that I can tell doesn't play much of a factor is weight (and maybe height too) like if brock is on top of you, it won't be any harder to transition out than anyone else.

I think that probably plays into the ratings like strength which should help with transition defense. Also all the guys weigh about the same unless its in HW.