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Re: Affliction 3 - Fedor v. Barnett
Fedors makes more money in Affliction than he would at UFC and Dana won't let him do Sambo (or apparently build a giant stadium in Russia [WTF?]), so he won't sign until Dana bends his exclusive contracts. If it folds, Fedor might retire and go makes movies with Mousasi again. And it's not fair to hope that an org folds for simply one fighter. What happens to Vitor, Barnett and the others.
And I doubt the likes of Kongo or Nog would give him a serious challenge. I'd love to see a two fight contract for. Mir and Lesnar. Depending how they turn out, reneg from there.Comment
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Re: Affliction 3 - Fedor v. Barnett
He could still fight in Strikeforce, DREAM, or Sengoku. His M-1 contract allows him to fight just about anywhere.
Also- Fedor's hand isn't the one that needs forcing. One of the big reasons he didn't sign with the UFC after PRIDE dissolved was that Dana wasn't willing to allow him to compete in Sambo. That's beyond ridiculous. Fedor in a cage with elbows allowed could have equaled a lot of excitement in the UFC's HW division...
EDIT: Sorry- hadn't noticed that NOBLE had already covered all of my best points. Props to you, sir.Comment
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Re: Affliction 3 - Fedor v. Barnett
Fedors makes more money in Affliction than he would at UFC and Dana won't let him do Sambo (or apparently build a giant stadium in Russia [WTF?]), so he won't sign until Dana bends his exclusive contracts. If it folds, Fedor might retire and go makes movies with Mousasi again. And it's not fair to hope that an org folds for simply one fighter. What happens to Vitor, Barnett and the others.
And I doubt the likes of Kongo or Nog would give him a serious challenge. I'd love to see a two fight contract for. Mir and Lesnar. Depending how they turn out, reneg from there.
Thats my point. If Affliction is gone...there goes his biggest cash cow. I see nothing wrong with the Exclusive deal and I dont believe everything Fedor says about the negotiations especially that Russian stadium crap. (I dont believe everything Dana says either.) If you sign with Golden Boy Promotions in boxing, you cant sign with another promoter or decide to start kickboxing w/o their permission. You owe GBP fights. Same as with the UFC.
Vitor and Barnett can go to Strikeforce or Dream and make less. It doesnt matter though. We are one PPV from this statement becoming a reality.Comment
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Re: Affliction 3 - Fedor v. Barnett
I don't have an issue with contracts saying that you can't move across promotions, but not be able to compete in your national sports' tournaments/amateuer competitions is bollocks. Back in the day, the UFC would let fighters compete in ADCC with no problem.Comment
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Re: Affliction 3 - Fedor v. Barnett
LOL....neither one of those 3 companies can afford Fedor. Strikeforce isnt going to go down the path that EliteXC and Affliction did by overpaying fighters. Plus Strikeforce has no fighters for him. Brett Rogers? Arlovski again? Seth Petruzelli? Overeem? Come on.
Dream and Sengoku have the same problem. Nobody (not even the ufc) is going to pay him the money he is getting in Affliction but neither one of those 3 companies you named can pay Fedor anywhere close to what the UFC can offer for multiple fights. With Affliction gone, Fedor has a choice: Retire or sign with the UFC. I think he will sign with the UFC. Not one of those crazy Dana 6 fight deals but a 3-4 fight deal that makes him the highest paid fighter in the UFC.Last edited by aholbert32; 05-22-2009, 09:38 PM.Comment
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Re: Affliction 3 - Fedor v. Barnett
Its a business. Its the same as football teams that have outside activities clauses in their contracts (like riding motorcycles or playing pickup basketball). Dana is trying to protect an investment. I'll be damned if I pay someone millions and they risk injury in a non UFC event.Comment
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Re: Affliction 3 - Fedor v. Barnett
LOL at your LOL. I wouldn't hold your breath. You might be surprised at what could happen if Fedor becomes a free agent. Fedor's huge in Japan, and could definitely inspire Japanese investors to partner up with DREAM or K-1, etc. to get him signed for some fights.
I think it's least likely that he will sign with the UFC based on what both sides have had to say about the other since their last negotiation. I never say never in these matters, but I think it's much more likely that he'll return "home" to Japan.Comment
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Re: Affliction 3 - Fedor v. Barnett
Amazing people believe Dana on the stadium in Russia thing. As if Russia has zero stadiums in such a vast country. I don't recall any other organizations that Fedor was in to have a stadium built just for him. The same people who believe this probably believe dana when he said fedor was a farce and not in the top 10. Dana is a business man, nothing in regards to his 'opinion' on fedor should be taken seriously. The man acts like a clown. The thread on Pat Miletich has other comments by fighters on Dana White.
Fedor on ufc contract.
"I never met Dana White, never spoke to him on the phone, never exchanged e-mails,” Fedor said. “However, I did read a lot on the Internet about what he said in regard to me and Vadim []. I also read e-mails that he sent to Vadim; all of his correspondence was very upsetting. The contract that we were presented with by the UFC was simply impossible, couldn’t be signed — I couldn’t leave. If I won, I had to fight eight times in two years. If I lost one fight, then the UFC had the right to rip up the contract. At the conclusion of the contract, if I am undefeated, then it automatically extends for an as yet unspecified period of time, though for the same compensation.
“Basically I can’t leave undefeated. I can’t give interviews, appear in films or advertising. I don’t have the right to do anything without the UFC’s agreement. I could do nothing without the OK from the UFC. I didn’t have the right to compete in combat sambo competition. It’s my national sport. It’s the Russian sport, which in his time our president competed in, and I no longer have the right to do so. There were many such clauses; the contract was 18 pages in length. It was written in such a way that I had absolutely no rights while the UFC could at any moment, if something didn’t suit them, tear up the agreement. We worked with lawyers who told us that it was patently impossible to sign such a document.”
Pat Miletich: "Dana has never told me anything that ended up being the truth" http://www.sherdog.net/forums/f2/pat...-truth-975468/
"It’s been quite some time since Pat Miletich and Dana White were friends and business associates. If one was to trace the divide between the two back to it’s origin they would find that the split was cemented with Miletich’s decision to become part of the International Fight League that has since gone under.
On last night’s episode of ESPN’s E:60, the founder of Miletich Fighting Systems made his current feelings about the UFC president quite clear.
“He’s done a lot of great things for the sport, without a doubt,” the UFC veteran was quoted as saying. “I just have seen the wreckage around him a lot.
“Dana has never told me anything that ended up being the truth, besides the fact that his intention was to crush other people’s lives and businesses.”
The recent statement made by Miletich shouldn’t come as a shock to anyone familiar with the past court case between the UFC and the IFL.
Below are some excerpts from Pat Miletich’s sworn statement given in the case held during 2006, according to public records.
8. In or around late Januray 2006, I recieved a call from Mr. White. During the conversation, Mr. White stated that he respected me both as a trainer and fighter, but then proceeded to express in a rather irate manner his feelings about the IFL and abruptly stated that “he was going to ****ing crush these [the IFL] guys”. Mr. White further made it clear to me that he was livid about losing Keith Evans to the IFL.
9. During this conversation I expressed to Mr. White my opinion (based on numerous conversations with individuals in the MMA industry) that a lot of people involved in MMA industry didn’t very much care for him or the way Zuffa conducted its business and treated the individuals who fought at UFC events. In response, Mr. White stated that it “wasn’t his ****ing job to be liked”. Mr. White further told me that he had spoken with the Fertittas (who own Zuffa), and they had given their “permission” to go after the IFL.
10. Mr. White further threatened me during the conversation, and implicitly the livelihoods of the fighters I train, stating that “when the dust settles, anyone associated with the IFL would not be associated with the UFC”. I took this for what it was — a threat to me and to my fighters who count on me to represent them and obtain opportunities to for them to fight in the MMA industry. Because of the virtual monopoly that Zuffa has in the MMA industry, Mr. White clearly knew that cutting me and my fighters off from the UFC would have a devastating economic impact.
11. Mr. White further told me during this conversation that he had been on the phone all day calling everyone he dealt with in the MMA industry and told me that, after speaking with all of them, none would be doing business with the IFL. My understanding from his comment was that he had made the same threats to everyone else he knew in the MMA industry that he had just made to me during our conversation. I attempted to tell Mr. White to calm down and tried to be rational with him. I expressed to Mr. White my opinion that the IFL was going to help the MMA industry and ultimately would increase the UFC’s presence throughout the world. I further attempted to dissuade Mr. White from doing anything irrational with respect to the IFL (i.e., the lawsuit) and told him that I felt going after the IFL for no reason would be very bad for the entire MMA industry. Clearly, Mr. White could care less what I thought.
12. Following my conversation with Mr. White, Ken Shamrock, another world-renowned MMA fighter, called me and told me that Mr. White had just “raised hell” with him about his being associated with the IFL. As I understand it, Mr. White had made similar threats to Mr. Shamrock whom I believe at the time had an agreement with the IFL to coach one of its teams. I further understand that Mr. White made the same or similar threats to Randy Couture, perhaps one of the most legendary MMA fighters in the world and a former UFC World Champion. I further understand that Mr. White called a current UFC World Champion, Matt Hughes, to inquire of him whether he had any involvement in the IFL.
13. Knowing Mr. White the way I do, I can honestly say that Zuffa’s intent is bringing this litigation has nothing to do with protecting any confidential information. Rather, I believe this litigation is about one thing and one thing only — stamping out legitimate and, indeed, healthy, competition."GO BUCKS!Comment
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Re: Affliction 3 - Fedor v. Barnett
The problem is that there's no consistency to it. Some guys can go compete in BJJ whilst under UFC contract, but Fedor wasn't going to be allowed to compete in Sambo. I know it's a bit of an apples to oranges comparison - but at some point, you've got to ask yourself if you really want to deliver the #1 HW in the world to your fans, or if you want to let him slip away because you're getting mad, and you can just turn around after the fact and tell your fans that "the guy's overrated and not even top 5."
Awesome. Can't congratulate Dana enough for a job well done on that one. Thanks for giving us what we wanted to see...Comment
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Re: Affliction 3 - Fedor v. Barnett
New Fedor highlight.
http://<EMBED src=http://www.youtube.com/v/lVVrNOQtlzY&hl=en&fs=1 width=425 height=344 type=application/x-shockwave-flash allowfullscreen="true" allowscriptaccess="always"></EMBED>GO BUCKS!Comment
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