UFC 100

[allBthere]

Re: UFC 100

I hope alves fights rumble johnson next! ...if johson can beat alves, then maybe he should fight gsp at WW, otherwise there is no one that stands a chance and he should think about moving up in weight - he will eventually as he ages, so it's just a matter of time.

[bgeno]

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I say the opposite. He helps it get more attention. He's making people love him or hate him. You're either gonna tune in to see him get knocked out or do the knocking out. This isn't golf. This isn't a "gentlemen" sport.

I realize that. I realize it's not golf and not a "gentlemen" sport.

And, don't get me wrong, I'm certainly not saying that it's not good for ratings. It should do an excellent job of getting some more people to watch the UFC and buy the pay-per-views.

But, as a fan, is that really what you want?

Wouldn't you rather the sport get a little more respect?

There are TONS of people still out there who don't give UFC the respect it deserves because they compare it to WWE and still think it's just "human **** fighting" like McCain used to campaign for back in the day. What Lesnar did does nothing to defunk the WWE myths.

To me, I think the UFC and MMA deserve their dues. These are some of the best athletes in the world... they're very disciplined, skilled, and conditioned. The fighters and the fight organizations deserve to be respected more, and that's not going to happen as long as people are watching that and saying "this is just like WWF" afterward.

[WeLLWeLL]

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Dan Henderson is an American hero! POW! POW!

[Wet Bandit]

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He certainly controls on the ground but he doesn't do enough damage for someone who likes to keep it on the ground.

Jon Fitch would beg to differ.



And I'll be able to post a similar one of Alves's face once someone puts it online.

St. Pierre's inability to finish Alves and Fitch says more about Alves and Fitch than it does about GSP. St. Pierre seriously beat both of those guys up. I'm not sure how you can downplay that.

Seriously, GSP has finished nearly 2/3 of his fights, including finishes over Penn, Hughes twice, Serra, Sherk, and Trigg. There's four champions in that list with a combined total of 15 wins in title fights.

Were you down on Fedor because he was unable to finish Big Nog in a combined 40 minutes or Crocop in 20 minutes?

No offense, but it's just a silly argument. "He completely dominated these guys, totally outclassed them, beat them to a bloody pulp, but because he hasn't finished a couple guys recently, meh."

[TheShizNo1]

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I realize that. I realize it's not golf and not a "gentlemen" sport.

And, don't get me wrong, I'm certainly not saying that it's not good for ratings. It should do an excellent job of getting some more people to watch the UFC and buy the pay-per-views.

But, as a fan, is that really what you want?

Wouldn't you rather the sport get a little more respect?

There are TONS of people still out there who don't give UFC the respect it deserves because they compare it to WWE and still think it's just "human **** fighting" like McCain used to campaign for back in the day. What Lesnar did does nothing to defunk the WWE myths.

To me, I think the UFC and MMA deserve their dues. These are some of the best athletes in the world... they're very disciplined, skilled, and conditioned. The fighters and the fight organizations deserve to be respected more, and that's not going to happen as long as people are watching that and saying "this is just like WWF" afterward.

I get you. But the only thing I say to that is you're going to have people stuck in their ways. On the outside looking in, it does look like guys getting in a ring and just duking it out. On the outside you don't see the art of the different styles, the training, and dedication.

I feel the older generation does not and will never respect and nonetheless welcome MMA into American culture. Just the way it is.

[Acedeck]

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Just thought I'd chime in here with a few thoughts:

First, call me crazy but I actually like Brock. I'm glad to see him dominate the HW division. It proves to me that people can walk right into the sport and be "professional," essentially because of being a huge badass brawler. Someone with zero background in MMA (though he does have a background in wrestling) walked right into the sport (sure he had a couple years of MMA training prior to entering) and is dominating the competition. Name another "sport" where that could happen. Train for a couple years and be a dominate, all-star level pro. That's straight up laughable. There are zero other sports where that could happen. Two years of training and becoming dominate at the professional level? Could it happen in baseball? No. Football? No. Soccer? No. Hockey? No. Golf? No. Tennis? No. You name it, it doesn't happen. I think boxing is the closest sport where it could possibly happen, but even then it'd take a hell of a lot more than just two quick years of training to become dominate at the highest level.

I like MMA, but I still don't see it as something that should be on ESPN. Not until they take more steps to further legitimize the sport. The presentation, including commentary during the matches, and post-fight talks make it look like something a lot more juvenile. Hearing Rogan refer to someone as a "douchebag" on live PPV last night only further demonstrates how far they have to go to reach that professional level it needs to be at to be fully considered a premier sport. They aren't even trying to market it as a sport. They're trying to market it to 20 year olds who like to see guys get knocked the hell out. It's working, and I don't blame them. I just feel like it needs to go in a different direction to get where the sport needs to be at.

As for the Bisping match, I think it can be taken both ways. It was a bit unsportsmanlike by Hendo to add that late hit. However, Bisping really was asking for such an outcome with his talking. It was wrong of Hendo, but it was something Bisping brought upon himself. Had he shut up and just fought, it wouldn't have happened. Of course he'd still be out cold from the first hit, but that second hit wouldn't have ever happened. I actually laughed when it happened, as a first reaction while drunk last night. However, it was definitely a cheap shot. I don't care if the ref wasn't there to stop it yet. It was a no doubter. Bisping was completely out before he even hit the mat. You can't knock someone out more than what he was with that first shot.

As a side-note, I really liked watching Akiyama fight, even though it went to a decision. It was really interesting to see some of his kick-punch combos. It's crazy how he would kick, and while still on one foot he'd throw a hard right fist. He wasn't dominating by any means, but I enjoyed that fight.

[bgeno]

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Jon Fitch would beg to differ.



And I'll be able to post a similar one of Alves's face once someone puts it online.

St. Pierre's inability to finish Alves and Fitch says more about Alves and Fitch than it does about GSP. St. Pierre seriously beat both of those guys up. I'm not sure how you can downplay that.

Seriously, GSP has finished nearly 2/3 of his fights, including finishes over Penn, Hughes twice, Serra, Sherk, and Trigg. There's four champions in that list with a combined total of 15 wins in title fights.

Were you down on Fedor because he was unable to finish Big Nog in a combined 40 minutes or Crocop in 20 minutes?

No offense, but it's just a silly argument. "He completely dominated these guys, totally outclassed them, beat them to a bloody pulp, but because he hasn't finished a couple guys recently, meh."

What were GSP's final numbers in takedowns? He only missed 2 or 3, I know that. he had to be like 10-for-12 or something.

[jmood88]

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I realize that. I realize it's not golf and not a "gentlemen" sport.

And, don't get me wrong, I'm certainly not saying that it's not good for ratings. It should do an excellent job of getting some more people to watch the UFC and buy the pay-per-views.

But, as a fan, is that really what you want?

Wouldn't you rather the sport get a little more respect?

There are TONS of people still out there who don't give UFC the respect it deserves because they compare it to WWE and still think it's just "human **** fighting" like McCain used to campaign for back in the day. What Lesnar did does nothing to defunk the WWE myths.

To me, I think the UFC and MMA deserve their dues. These are some of the best athletes in the world... they're very disciplined, skilled, and conditioned. The fighters and the fight organizations deserve to be respected more, and that's not going to happen as long as people are watching that and saying "this is just like WWF" afterward.

The only people that I've seen not give UFC or MMA any respect are the bitter boxing fans, I've seen way more UFC fans than detractors. Those people will complain whether or not Brock does something and if they let one guy ruin the sport for them then **** them. There are plenty of guys who fight and don't say anything at all and Brock never even talked that much until the rematch.

[bgeno]

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I get you. But the only thing I say to that is you're going to have people stuck in their ways. On the outside looking in, it does look like guys getting in a ring and just duking it out. On the outside you don't see the art of the different styles, the training, and dedication.

I feel the older generation does not and will never respect and nonetheless welcome MMA into American culture. Just the way it is.

That's a good point.

I still think it's not time to bail on trying to legitimize the sport more and get more respect. It's possible. Even McCain has mentioned the great improvements they've made in the last few years to get "in compliance" with the things government approves of.

As long as people are watching Lesnar do that post fight stuff though, it wont happen.

I hope he doesn't do it again. I really enjoy watching him fight... he's so imposing and dominating. He apologized after the fight at the Press Conference, but I feel like he was talking more about the Bud Light/Coors Light comments than the flicking off the crowd and getting in Mir's face after KO'ing him and talking about the horse shoe (which I still don't totally understand... haha) and laying on his wife, and those are the things that bothered me.

[sven]

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Bisping got what he deserved for being such a mouthy punk.

[TheShizNo1]

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Just thought I'd chime in here with a few thoughts:

First, call me crazy but I actually like Brock. I'm glad to see him dominate the HW division. It proves to me that people can walk right into the sport and be "professional," essentially because of being a huge badass brawler. Someone with zero background in MMA (though he does have a background in wrestling) walked right into the sport (sure he had a couple years of MMA training prior to entering) and is dominating the competition. Name another "sport" where that could happen. Train for a couple years and be a dominate, all-star level pro. That's straight up laughable. There are zero other sports where that could happen. Two years of training and becoming dominate at the professional level? Could it happen in baseball? No. Football? No. Soccer? No. Hockey? No. Golf? No. Tennis? No. You name it, it doesn't happen. I think boxing is the closest sport where it could possibly happen, but even then it'd take a hell of a lot more than just two quick years of training to become dominate at the highest level.

I like MMA, but I still don't see it as something that should be on ESPN. Not until they take more steps to further legitimize the sport. The presentation, including commentary during the matches, and post-fight talks make it look like something a lot more juvenile. Hearing Rogan refer to someone as a "douchebag" on live PPV last night only further demonstrates how far they have to go to reach that professional level it needs to be at to be fully considered a premier sport. They aren't even trying to market it as a sport. They're trying to market it to 20 year olds who like to see guys get knocked the hell out. It's working, and I don't blame them. I just feel like it needs to go in a different direction to get where the sport needs to be at.

As for the Bisping match, I think it can be taken both ways. It was a bit unsportsmanlike by Hendo to add that late hit. However, Bisping really was asking for such an outcome with his talking. It was wrong of Hendo, but it was something Bisping brought upon himself. Had he shut up and just fought, it wouldn't have happened. Of course he'd still be out cold from the first hit, but that second hit wouldn't have ever happened. I actually laughed when it happened, as a first reaction while drunk last night. However, it was definitely a cheap shot. I don't care if the ref wasn't there to stop it yet. It was a no doubter. Bisping was completely out before he even hit the mat. You can't knock someone out more than what he was with that first shot.

As a side-note, I really liked watching Akiyama fight, even though it went to a decision. It was really interesting to see some of his kick-punch combos. It's crazy how he would kick, and while still on one foot he'd throw a hard right fist. He wasn't dominating by any means, but I enjoyed that fight.

You do it

[Acedeck]

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That's a good point.

I still think it's not time to bail on trying to legitimize the sport more and get more respect. It's possible. Even McCain has mentioned the great improvements they've made in the last few years to get "in compliance" with the things government approves of.

As long as people are watching Lesnar do that post fight stuff though, it wont happen.

I hope he doesn't do it again. I really enjoy watching him fight... he's so imposing and dominating. He apologized after the fight at the Press Conference, but I feel like he was talking more about the Bud Light/Coors Light comments than the flicking off the crowd and getting in Mir's face after KO'ing him and talking about the horse shoe (which I still don't totally understand... haha) and laying on his wife, and those are the things that bothered me.

I remember watching the pre-fight show for the UFC 100 PPV and hearing Brock talk about how Mir has a horseshoe up his ***. So it's not something he just thought of on the spot after the fight. It had something to do with pre-fight talks.

[Acedeck]

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You do it

I admit, Brock is a freak. Still, freak or not, you don't walk into any other sport and be dominate at the professional level. I think that aspect of his dominating performances are what intrigue me the most. That's why I'll be buying the next PPV he participates in.

[Wet Bandit]

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Just thought I'd chime in here with a few thoughts:

Name another "sport" where that could happen. Train for a couple years and be a dominate, all-star level pro. That's straight up laughable.

I suppose it's laughable if you ignore his blue-chip wrestling pedigree, which seems odd, because the martial art of wrestling is very important in mixed martial arts.

And then you'd have to ignore his unprecedented size and athleticism.

Seriously, you're pulling the wool over your own eyes on this one. An outstanding wrestler, with gigantic size and power and yet more speed than anyone else in the division, trains at one of the most highly respected MMA camps for two years and becomes champ. That sounds kinda expected.

[Wet Bandit]

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What were GSP's final numbers in takedowns? He only missed 2 or 3, I know that. he had to be like 10-for-12 or something.

According to ESPN, he was 10 for 12. And he had 22 impact strikes compared to Alves's 11.