UFC 101: Declaration - August 8th in Philadelphia

[biglami]

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In the bar, the general sentiment of the Silva-Griffin fight was, "is that real." many people were questioning the validity of the fight being as though silva hit him with a jab, while backpeddling, with no momentum.

1) If you are going to fix a fight, you fix a fight of even odds, or you fix a fight so that the underdog wins (so that if you bet $10,000 then you win $100,000). You never would fix a fight so that the heavy favorite wins- that is just dumb.

2) Has any1 at your bar seen a vintage Chuck Liddell knockout? He was almost always backpedaling, luring a guy in, controlling the range, and then BOOM!!

Guys 'in the bar' inevitably don't know much about MMA. I am not saying you don't know MMA, just saying guys on their 8th beer who think they are tough because they can bench 225 lbs., and who make these ridiculous claims, do not usually know much about MMA.

Forrest was getting humiliated and when he realized he could not land a punch, and was about to get his face Frank Mir'ed/ Rich Franklin'ed, gave up and ran away. Forrest is not that great a fighter, but he is pretty smart and executed the 'fight or flight' maneuver well, even if he chose 'flight' during what we thought would be a 'fight.' (I don't know if his jaw was broken, but if it was not, then he was smart to get out before it got broken).

[feedthehorse28]

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Guida is a tough fight for any lightweight.

im not sayin hes not a tough fight, im just saying that he cant WIN tough fights. his fighting style, if we can even call it that, keeps most of his fights close. unfortunately, most judges see laying on top of somebody and not trying to improve your position or try for submissions as "octagon control." the only time he does move past someones guard its because someone pretty much gives him the position. guida is gonna do that at least a round and a half each fight which ends up making the fight a lot closer on the cards than it really is. i mean look at his fight with diego, he pretty much got dominated the first round and then he tried his lay and pray strategy for the next two rounds. even though diego did more work from his back throwing elbows that both hurt and cut guida and trying for submissions, one judge gave guida both those rounds. i dont think he ever passed diegos guard that whole fight or even tried for a submission, but i havent seen in it since it was live on the TUF finale so i could be wrong. guida is one tough dude and i love watching his fights but IMO he isnt among the elite lightweight fighters

[Rules]

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1) If you are going to fix a fight, you fix a fight of even odds, or you fix a fight so that the underdog wins (so that if you bet $10,000 then you win $100,000). You never would fix a fight so that the heavy favorite wins- that is just dumb.

2) Has any1 at your bar seen a vintage Chuck Liddell knockout? He was almost always backpedaling, luring a guy in, controlling the range, and then BOOM!!

Guys 'in the bar' inevitably don't know much about MMA. I am not saying you don't know MMA, just saying guys on their 8th beer who think they are tough because they can bench 225 lbs., and who make these ridiculous claims, do not usually know much about MMA.

Forrest was getting humiliated and when he realized he could not land a punch, and was about to get his face Frank Mir'ed/ Rich Franklin'ed, gave up and ran away. Forrest is not that great a fighter, but he is pretty smart and executed the 'fight or flight' maneuver well, even if he chose 'flight' during what we thought would be a 'fight.' (I don't know if his jaw was broken, but if it was not, then he was smart to get out before it got broken).

I'm going to play devils advocate here:

Fixing the fight in favor of odds making money may not have been Dana's gameplan.

Fedor not coming to UFC.
Anderson being declared the best pound for pound fighter in the world by Dana. This brings in money as many want to see what Anderson does next as well as who can stop him. Dana is looking for the next Chuck Liddell to be the face of the UFC. Clearly that is not Brock as he looked like an idiot. Dana really wanted Fedor to be that person but it didn't work out.

Is it possible that Dana kicked a bunch of money to Forrest to end early............anything is possible! Dana may not have wanted to take the chance this early on to have Anderson taken out. Not to say any of this happened, I am just saying anything is possible!

[MC Fatigue]

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Do people really think he would have been so obvious in throwing a fight?

Call me crazy - but when you throw a fight, you want to make it look as realistic as possible... Not make it so that people immediately think it was fixed.

[Rules]

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Do people really think he would have been so obvious in throwing a fight?

Call me crazy - but when you throw a fight, you want to make it look as realistic as possible... Not make it so that people immediately think it was fixed.

Poor acting?

[sb24]

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Poor acting?

Do you really think it was fixed? If so why?

[Rules]

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Do you really think it was fixed? If so why?

Honestly, I have watched the fight over and over and over. I still don't know what to think. I am suspicious as Forrest has taken many shots much worse than that and was still standing. Go back a few posts that I wrote as it is a theory. No fact.....just a possibility that could exist.

[DTX3]

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Could we stop with the fixed nonsense please? I'd like to see some of you take a shot from a 205 pound Anderson Silva. Griffin was rocked as is and lost his balance when he took the jab. It wasn't fixed. He just got owned by a fighter who is on his own planet.

[jmood88]

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I'm going to play devils advocate here:

Fixing the fight in favor of odds making money may not have been Dana's gameplan.

Fedor not coming to UFC.
Anderson being declared the best pound for pound fighter in the world by Dana. This brings in money as many want to see what Anderson does next as well as who can stop him. Dana is looking for the next Chuck Liddell to be the face of the UFC. Clearly that is not Brock as he looked like an idiot. Dana really wanted Fedor to be that person but it didn't work out.

Is it possible that Dana kicked a bunch of money to Forrest to end early............anything is possible! Dana may not have wanted to take the chance this early on to have Anderson taken out. Not to say any of this happened, I am just saying anything is possible!

You've been talking up this "was the fight fixed" thing since it ended and I really don't understand why.

[jmood88]

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Honestly, I have watched the fight over and over and over. I still don't know what to think. I am suspicious as Forrest has taken many shots much worse than that and was still standing. Go back a few posts that I wrote as it is a theory. No fact.....just a possibility that could exist.

You ignore the fact that he was getting destroyed before that punch and had gotten knocked down twice before he was finally out.

[Rules]

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You ignore the fact that he was getting destroyed before that punch and had gotten knocked down twice before he was finally out.

I'm not ignoring any of the punches. Before we even get into the fight, Forrest did not look right getting into the ring. Maybe he was terrified to lose, who knows. I'm just saying from the time he got into the ring until the time he ran out, something just does not look right.

How many fighters have you seen who had their clocked clean and then jumped up and ran out of the ring with that kind of coordination? Even looking at how and where that jab landed and then to see him signaling "no mas" at the end?????

[goh]

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So there's still been no offical word on what happend?

I don't think Forrest would be up for fixing a fight especially considering he used to be a cop.

[Wet Bandit]

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Honestly, I have watched the fight over and over and over. I still don't know what to think. I am suspicious as Forrest has taken many shots much worse than that and was still standing. Go back a few posts that I wrote as it is a theory. No fact.....just a possibility that could exist.

No, the possiblity doesn't exist.

You aren't taking into account any potential motivation for a fix. At the very moment Dana's entire freaking business was starting to blow up and gain mainstream exposure, why would Dana risk that for Anderson freaking Silva, a guy that mainstream fans don't particularly care about and a guy that has almost guaranteed he's gonna retire when he completes the final three fights on his contract? That would seriously make zero sense.

Face it, if Dana wasn't willing to fix fights for Liddell, who was on the verge of becoming a huge superstar and the absolute face of MMA until he started getting knocked out left and right, if Dana wasn't fixing fights for him, why would he fix them for Silva? Especially when Silva was already such a heavy favorite.

It's silly.

Guys get knocked out. Sometimes brutally, like Bisping. Sometimes they get caught just right and get knocked out with what seem like relatively weak punches. Liddell knocked out a tough Vernon White back in the day with a similar straight punch while backing up (and that wasn't even on the jaw). It happens.

[Wet Bandit]

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So there's still been no offical word on what happend?

I don't think Forrest would be up for fixing a fight especially considering he used to be a cop.

Of course there's been official word. Silva knocked out Forrest. I imagine the result has long since been certified by the athletic commission.

[PrettyT11]

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No, the possiblity doesn't exist.

You aren't taking into account any potential motivation for a fix. At the very moment Dana's entire freaking business was starting to blow up and gain mainstream exposure, why would Dana risk that for Anderson freaking Silva, a guy that mainstream fans don't particularly care about and a guy that has almost guaranteed he's gonna retire when he completes the final three fights on his contract? That would seriously make zero sense.

Face it, if Dana wasn't willing to fix fights for Liddell, who was on the verge of becoming a huge superstar and the absolute face of MMA until he started getting knocked out left and right, if Dana wasn't fixing fights for him, why would he fix them for Silva? Especially when Silva was already such a heavy favorite.

It's silly.

Guys get knocked out. Sometimes brutally, like Bisping. Sometimes they get caught just right and get knocked out with what seem like relatively weak punches. Liddell knocked out a tough Vernon White back in the day with a similar straight punch while backing up (and that wasn't even on the jaw). It happens.

Exactly. Then on top of that if the word ever got out that there was a fix all the hard work Dana and them have put in to get the UFC to where it is would just be thrown in the trash. There respectability ,acceptance, and credibility would be nomore. Dana is to smart to put his money and all he as work for at risk for one fight that doesn't do much of anything in the grand scheme of things regardless of the outcome.