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  • Scoop_Brady
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    • Aug 2003
    • 1022

    #16
    Re: Fedor, Gegard, and Babulu in EA MMA game

    Originally posted by NOBLE
    I don't care if you question his last four wins, but I am bothered by the growing opinion that Fedor's otherwise illustrious career will only be validated if he steps into the UFC. If that is your opinion, then please take what I said however you like. If you read into it like that, then that's on you.

    And let's not act like Brett Rogers is some can. He's a Top 10 HW.
    He's a top-ten HW because he beat Arlovski. His opponents combined record without including Arlovski is 52-62. With Arlovski it's 67-69. Until he steps up his competition and continues to win how can he be anything but a can?

    Oh, and the last time I checked a career consists of all of a fighters fights, not just the ones in the past. 2006 Fedor had nothing to prove because he kept proving it in the ring. If he continued to do that there would be no debate about it now. 2009 Fedor is hiding out in joke promotions fighting freakshows and has-beens. Why shouldn't people start calling him on it? You act as though only UFC fans are adopting this attitude. I know a lot of Fedor supporters are starting to get sick of this crap as well. He can retire right now and be considered the greatest HW of all time but if he continues along the path he's been down the past 3 years it's hard to say he doesn't tarnish that.
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    • Wet Bandit
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      • Apr 2009
      • 1746

      #17
      Re: Fedor, Gegard, and Babulu in EA MMA game

      Originally posted by NOBLE
      And let's not act like Brett Rogers is some can. He's a Top 10 HW.
      Yeah, and Cheick Kongo would be a top 10 HW if he had the luxury of never fighting a guy with an ounce of wrestling ability.

      Personally, if I were to rank Fedor's potential challengers throughout his career, in terms of their danger to him, I'd probably rank them something like this:

      1) Lesnar
      2) Big Nog
      3) Crocop
      4) Couture
      5) Barnett
      6) Carwin
      7) Mir
      8) Arlovski
      9) Velasquez
      10) Overeem

      So yeah, to me, there'd absolutely be an asterisk on his career if he never faced his first, fourth, sixth, seventh, and ninth biggest challenges because he was more concerned about promoting a business than facing those challengers in the UFC.

      And before you do it, I know you'd rank them differently. Fine. But there's at least four of his top ten challenges waiting for him in the UFC, and he's not gonna go there.

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      • SHO
        Give us a raise, loser!
        • Mar 2005
        • 2045

        #18
        Re: Fedor, Gegard, and Babulu in EA MMA game

        This asterisk talk is silly because he's beaten almost everyone that has gotten into the ring with him, but somehow it's not enough because there is a new top fighter at the division. If he beats that guy, that won't be enough because there will yet another new top guy. There is ALWAYS going to be that 'next big thing' fighters, and after all that he's done (say what you will about HMC, Lindland, etc.) there will still be people clamoring for Fedor to 'prove' he's the best, as if his record doesn't speak for itself. He's already at the top of the sport - are you really going to knock a man who's conquered Mt. Everest for the fact that he didn't climb every bit of rock?

        Whether we like it or not, Fedor has earned the right to do what he wants in his career at this point and I find it ridiculous to take him to task for it just because he won't come to our favorite organization(s) and make the fights that we want to see happen.

        Why are you guys going to try and hold it against a fighter for conducting business the way he wants to? Again, he's not obligated to come to the UFC just because Affliction died. It's not like he's choosing to duck UFC fighters, so why is the target on Fedor to miraculously make these fights happen? We want to see him fights, but that's not fair to him. If anything, the pressure should be on Dana. Simply put, the reason he's not here (yet..?) is because the business isn't right for both sides to agree on something. It's funny how Fedor's and his camp are the only ones catching heat for this situation. I have yet to hear anyone call out the UFC and tell them to step up their negotiations.

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        • XFactah416
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          • Oct 2008
          • 1708

          #19
          Re: Fedor, Gegard, and Babulu in EA MMA game

          If Dana wants someone, he'll get over the grudge.

          I'm pretty sure Mousasi won't go to the UFC regardless, as he is a Red Devil member. Babalu was exiled from the UFC as well after his actions.

          We'll see though.

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          • Scoop_Brady
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            • Aug 2003
            • 1022

            #20
            Re: Fedor, Gegard, and Babulu in EA MMA game

            We'll just have to agree to disagree Noble. IMO to be considered the best that means consistently proving you are the best. You can't prove your the best until your career is over. Fedor's career is not over. You've clearly made up your mind that he's the best before seeing his entire career. Tom Brady has the potential to be the best quarterback who ever played right now but I guarantee if he went to the CFL to finish his career that talk would disappear. What's so wrong about wanting to see the best fight the best? I respect your opinion but you obviously don't respect the opinion of anybody that wants Fedor to keep proving he's the man.
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            • Wet Bandit
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              • Apr 2009
              • 1746

              #21
              Re: Fedor, Gegard, and Babulu in EA MMA game

              Originally posted by NOBLE
              He's already at the top of the sport - are you really going to knock a man who's conquered Mt. Everest for the fact that he didn't climb every bit of rock?
              He hasn't climbed Mt. Everest, though. You can not seriously claim that Pride's heavyweight division was Mt. Everest. Outside of Nog and Crocop, two premiere heavyweights, look at who Fedor fought in Pride as champion no less.

              Kazuyuki Fujita
              Gary Goodridge
              Yuji Nagata
              Mark Coleman
              Kevin Randleman
              Naoya Ogawa
              Tsuyoshi Kohsaka
              Big Zulu
              Mark Hunt

              Those are the guys he defended his belt against, and at best there's a couple of gatekeepers mixed in with that list of cans.

              Fedor has not climbed Mt. Everest. Maybe you can say he's climbed Mt. McKinley, but there's new, bigger challenges for him out there now.

              And the reason that the UFC isn't getting heat for this, at least not this time, is because they're the ones that, by almost all accounts, are acting reasonably. But Fedor's and M-1's insistence on co-promotion, which was a ridiculous idea a couple years ago and is even more ridiculous now that they've helped sink Bodog and Affliction, is the peak of unreasonableness.

              You can even call it the Mt. Everest of unreasonableness.

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              • Scoop_Brady
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                • Aug 2003
                • 1022

                #22
                Re: Fedor, Gegard, and Babulu in EA MMA game

                Originally posted by Wet Bandit
                You can even call it the Mt. Everest of unreasonableness.
                I see what you did there. Nice.
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                • Keith121212
                  Banned
                  • Jul 2004
                  • 549

                  #23
                  Re: Fedor, Gegard, and Babulu in EA MMA game

                  Fedor is one of the best heavyweights MMA has ever seen but if he doesn't sign with the UFC, he might as well retire because noone wants to see him fight nobodies anymore. He needs to continue to cement his already great legacy or STFU basically. If he's not in the UFC noone cares about him.

                  If M1-Global really cared about MMA or Fedor, they would have never brought up this co-promotion BS and they would have got Fedor signed. Since they don't and all they really care about is furthering their name and making money, this deal will never get done.

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                  • MC Fatigue
                    Banned
                    • Feb 2006
                    • 4150

                    #24
                    Re: Fedor, Gegard, and Babulu in EA MMA game

                    Here's an interesting little article on GSP vs Fedor

                    http://www.bloodyelbow.com/2009/7/30...ions-fedor-gsp

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                    • SHO
                      Give us a raise, loser!
                      • Mar 2005
                      • 2045

                      #25
                      Re: Fedor, Gegard, and Babulu in EA MMA game

                      Originally posted by Scoop_Brady
                      What's so wrong about wanting to see the best fight the best? I respect your opinion but you obviously don't respect the opinion of anybody that wants Fedor to keep proving he's the man.
                      For the umpteenth time, there is nothing wrong with wanting to see the best fighters fight, but don't that allow desire override common sense just because he's not able to fight the fighters you want done. For your Tom Brady comparison, I didn't have to watch Michael Jordan's career to it's completion to know that he was the GOAT. And yet again with the NFL/CFL talk. Seeing as the HW talent outside of the UFC is just as strong as the UFC's which makes that comparison void from the beginning.

                      And if IIRC, Fedor is 20% owner of M-1, so I'm pretty sure he wants it to thrive as well not just his "evil" handlers. He and his people want co-promotion and guaranteed money. Dana won't give it. Simple as that, but I have a quesion - why should Fedor bend on his demands? Just because it's the UFC? There will still be big fights out there for him and there will some organization that will give him what he wants. But because he won't kowtow to Dana and take what he could consider a less than favorable deal for him, you're seriously going to call it a mark on his career - not for a loss, not for ducking fighters like other champions in this sport have, but because two business sides can't agree to a deal? That makes NO sense.

                      I'm done talking about this. I really wish Fedor would get something put to paper with ANY organization just to see him fight again.

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                      • Scoop_Brady
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                        • Aug 2003
                        • 1022

                        #26
                        Re: Fedor, Gegard, and Babulu in EA MMA game

                        Originally posted by NOBLE
                        For the umpteenth time, there is nothing wrong with wanting to see the best fighters fight, but don't that allow desire override common sense just because he's not able to fight the fighters you want done. For your Tom Brady comparison, I didn't have to watch Michael Jordan's career to it's completion to know that he was the GOAT. And yet again with the NFL/CFL talk. Seeing as the HW talent outside of the UFC is just as strong as the UFC's which makes that comparison void from the beginning.

                        And if IIRC, Fedor is 20% owner of M-1, so I'm pretty sure he wants it to thrive as well not just his "evil" handlers. He and his people want co-promotion and guaranteed money. Dana won't give it. Simple as that, but I have a quesion - why should Fedor bend on his demands? Just because it's the UFC? There will still be big fights out there for him and there will some organization that will give him what he wants. But because he won't kowtow to Dana and take what he could consider a less than favorable deal for him, you're seriously going to call it a mark on his career - not for a loss, not for ducking fighters like other champions in this sport have, but because two business sides can't agree to a deal? That makes NO sense.

                        I'm done talking about this. I really wish Fedor would get something put to paper with ANY organization just to see him fight again.
                        IMO he's ducking fighters while hiding behind M-1. M-1 has helped put Bodog and Affliction out of business with their ridiculous demands so that alone should make the UFC steer clear away from them. He chooses to remain affiliated with them so it makes perfect sense to hold it against him. Man, you're so far up Fedor's *** I can see you when he smiles. :wink:
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                        • MCNABB51BOI
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                          • Aug 2008
                          • 195

                          #27
                          Re: Fedor, Gegard, and Babulu in EA MMA game

                          fedor its UFC or a whatever dude can either prove his self on the biggest stage or keep BSing . not to take nothing away from him he is a great fighter but im like everyone else dont turn this into boxing . not putting the fights togeather the fans want to see over dumb ish .

                          EA i hope the game flops i heard DANA on the radio telling the story about EA . what a buch of *******s all they care about is money , if they cant get the best selling game the make right "MADDEN" what makes people think this will be any better ? THQ and UFC Id rather spend my money on .

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                          • judgejudy
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                            • Feb 2006
                            • 1377

                            #28
                            Re: Fedor, Gegard, and Babulu in EA MMA game

                            Originally posted by MCNABB51BOI
                            fedor its UFC or a whatever dude can either prove his self on the biggest stage or keep BSing . not to take nothing away from him he is a great fighter but im like everyone else dont turn this into boxing . not putting the fights togeather the fans want to see over dumb ish .

                            EA i hope the game flops i heard DANA on the radio telling the story about EA . what a buch of *******s all they care about is money , if they cant get the best selling game the make right "MADDEN" what makes people think this will be any better ? THQ and UFC Id rather spend my money on .
                            right, because we all know THQ decided to do this game due to a love for mma, it had NOTHING to do with money...

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                            • Wet Bandit
                              MVP
                              • Apr 2009
                              • 1746

                              #29
                              Re: Fedor, Gegard, and Babulu in EA MMA game

                              Originally posted by NOBLE
                              Seeing as the HW talent outside of the UFC is just as strong as the UFC's which makes that comparison void from the beginning.
                              That's a joke. Who is left outside the UFC?

                              Josh Barnett - Clearly the best of the bunch, but it remains to be seen what exactly he's got left considering he hasn't fought a premiere fighter in over three years. But I'll put him squarely in the Lesnar/Couture/Mir/Carwin group for now.

                              Brett Rogers - He's not near Lesnar/Couture/Mir/Carwin. He's probably not even ahead of Velasquez. And who knows how he'd even fare against his alter ego, Cheick Kongo.

                              Alistair Overeem - He's not in the Lesnar/Couture/Mir/Carwin group either. It wasn't that long ago that he lost to Werdum/Little Nog/Arona/Shogun/Kharitonov in the span of 7 fights, and wins over Paul Buentello and Gary Goodridge doesn't come close to making up for that.

                              Who's left for Fedor besides that?

                              Originally posted by NOBLE
                              And if IIRC, Fedor is 20% owner of M-1, so I'm pretty sure he wants it to thrive as well not just his "evil" handlers. He and his people want co-promotion and guaranteed money. Dana won't give it. Simple as that, but I have a quesion - why should Fedor bend on his demands? Just because it's the UFC? There will still be big fights out there for him and there will some organization that will give him what he wants. But because he won't kowtow to Dana and take what he could consider a less than favorable deal for him, you're seriously going to call it a mark on his career - not for a loss, not for ducking fighters like other champions in this sport have, but because two business sides can't agree to a deal? That makes NO sense.
                              He should bend on his demands because his demands are unreasonable. Sure, he'll get them met somewhere, but he's not gonna be better off for it.

                              The guy has an opportunity to take a great deal with the UFC. Maybe not the exact deal he wants, but probably the best deal available. And he'd get to fight some of the biggest challengers of his career.

                              But he's not gonna do it, because he's dead-set on this idea of co-promotion, stupidly thinking M-1 Global will be relevant if it co--promotes with promotions like Bodog, Affliction, and Strikeforce. And because of that, he's not going to fight some of the biggest challengers in his career.

                              Damn right that's gonna leave a mark on his legacy. Instead of Fedor possibly being remembered as the greatest heavyweight of all time, he'll be remembered as a great heavyweight turned terrible businessman.

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                              • uedamasa
                                Banned
                                • Jul 2009
                                • 28

                                #30
                                Re: Fedor, Gegard, and Babulu in EA MMA game

                                Mousasi will be a beast on this game

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