Vadim: "We want to develop MMA. The UFC won’t be able to control the whole world."

[sven]

Re: Vadim: "We want to develop MMA. The UFC won’t be able to control the whole world.

I honestly dont think they ever planned on signing with the UFC. Every time it seems the UFC would get past an obstacle they would ask for something even more ridiculous. I think they are just using the UFC for as much free publicity as they can get.

[uedamasa]

Re: Vadim: "We want to develop MMA. The UFC won’t be able to control the whole world.

They've held events in Brazil, and Japan.

LOL That was pre Dana's time...

[uedamasa]

Re: Vadim: "We want to develop MMA. The UFC won’t be able to control the whole world.

LOL, what a ridiculous situation.... the worst part is that the fans suffer in the end because we won't see the fight that makes complete sense in Brock/Fedor.

what's so interesting about Fedor vs Brock? Brock is 4-1 , has zero Submissions,sucky Standup,untested chin and all he has in his arsenal is his wrestling and his Ogre size. Fedor will Zulu'd or Sylvia'd Brock with no Prob and if it goes to the Ground he'll get submitted, Fedor's skills is lightyears away form Brock, Id rather see Fedor fight Barnett,Overeem and Bigfoot in Japan that Fedor will have some prob with because these guys are proven,experienced and well rounded fighters

[uedamasa]

Re: Vadim: "We want to develop MMA. The UFC won’t be able to control the whole world.

I honestly dont think they ever planned on signing with the UFC. Every time it seems the UFC would get past an obstacle they would ask for something even more ridiculous. I think they are just using the UFC for as much free publicity as they can get.

M-1 wants to co promote because it is what good for the sport like all these other MMA Orgs are doing.. In Japan, you got Major Orgs like Pride before, DREAM,Sengoku co promoting with Orgs like Shooto,ZST and Pancrase..UFC is firm on their being an exclusive Org thus if you have guys principled guys like Fedor,Hansen,Aoki,Kawajiri,Gomi and Mousasi most likely you will not get Big fights that hardcore fans wants. UFC must open its doors if they want the Big fights to happen like other Orgs are doing if not they should just build up Tito instead

[Stumbleweed]

Re: Vadim: "We want to develop MMA. The UFC won’t be able to control the whole world.

Mir "got it to the ground" and that didn't work out so well for him despite being a monster from his back. Fedor's never gone against someone that strong and quick with the level of punching power Brock has. I'm not a Brock dickrider, but dude is legit, the 4-1 isn't as much of a factor as you make it out to be.

Brock /= Sylvia/Zulu, simply put... And remember that the last fighter Fedor faced was getting the better of him until he caught that punch... he's not invincible. Brock vs. Fedor is the only fight that makes sense in the larger sense, and I do think it would be a good fight. I'd pick Fedor BTW, but I don't let that cloud my judgment about Brock.

[uedamasa]

Re: Vadim: "We want to develop MMA. The UFC won’t be able to control the whole world.

Mir "got it to the ground" and that didn't work out so well for him despite being a monster from his back. Fedor's never gone against someone that strong and quick with the level of punching power Brock has. I'm not a Brock dickrider, but dude is legit, the 4-1 isn't as much of a factor as you make it out to be.

Brock /= Sylvia/Zulu, simply put...

LOL, Fedor aint a dumb Mir who will just lay in there and do nothing, Mir does that thing to B- level fighters in Freeman and Cruz that's why he got his *** kicked, even a LHW in Vera smashed him when he could have just rolled or sweep Vera. I think you havent watched all of Fedor's fights cause if you had you will notice Fedor's great explosiveness on scrambles and sweeps in keeping the fight standing or be it in a brawling fight. Fedor is also powerful guy for his size and body type that he can easily pull a sub even off his back with fast execution. The guy fought Monsters and walked through them, and Big Wrestling guy like Lesnar who has Zero Subs and Sucky standup will be no different

[Wet Bandit]

Re: Vadim: "We want to develop MMA. The UFC won’t be able to control the whole world.

LOL That was pre Dana's time...

Which was totally and completely irrelevant to the point I was responding to. You said M-1 was all about going global (which itself is a joke) and "American orgs" were just about PPV money. So I made the obvious point that the premiere American organization has held shows in a number of other countries.

Neither you nor I said anything about Dana. But that's how you work, you cherry-pick what you can try to argue and ignore what doesn't suit you (like the ridiculous number of countries the UFC is shown live in), because you're a hack.

[Wet Bandit]

Re: Vadim: "We want to develop MMA. The UFC won’t be able to control the whole world.

M-1 wants to co promote because it is what good for the sport like all these other MMA Orgs are doing.. In Japan, you got Major Orgs like Pride before, DREAM,Sengoku co promoting with Orgs like Shooto,ZST and Pancrase..UFC is firm on their being an exclusive Org thus if you have guys principled guys like Fedor,Hansen,Aoki,Kawajiri,Gomi and Mousasi most likely you will not get Big fights that hardcore fans wants. UFC must open its doors if they want the Big fights to happen like other Orgs are doing if not they should just build up Tito instead

The UFC did try and co-promote. They sent Chuck freaking Liddell to Pride! Are you being willfully ignorant, or do you really just have no idea what you're talking about?

The UFC sent Liddell to Pride, and they were supposed to get some Pride fighters sent to the UFC. At one point Pride said they'd send Sakuraba. At another point Wanderlei was inside the octagon when Dana announced a superfight between him and Chuck in the UFC. But both times Pride pulled out and didn't fulfill their end.

So you'll have to understand if the UFC is a little hesitant to co-promote, especially with a no-name promotion that is demanding half of the UFC's profits for a number of cards.

[uedamasa]

Re: Vadim: "We want to develop MMA. The UFC won’t be able to control the whole world.

Which was totally and completely irrelevant to the point I was responding to. You said M-1 was all about going global (which itself is a joke) and "American orgs" were just about PPV money. So I made the obvious point that the premiere American organization has held shows in a number of other countries.

Neither you nor I said anything about Dana. But that's how you work, you cherry-pick what you can try to argue and ignore what doesn't suit you (like the ridiculous number of countries the UFC is shown live in), because you're a hack.

watch this for your enlightenment


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hES9rFMKcog

[Wet Bandit]

Re: Vadim: "We want to develop MMA. The UFC won’t be able to control the whole world.

watch this for your enlightenment


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hES9rFMKcog

"M-1 Global, one of the largest mixed martial arts organizations for over a decade."

lol.

Pretty ballsy trying to defend your propaganda by referencing propaganda. You don't see many people go that route too often.

[mgoblue]

Re: Vadim: "We want to develop MMA. The UFC won’t be able to control the whole world.

The UFC did try and co-promote. They sent Chuck freaking Liddell to Pride! Are you being willfully ignorant, or do you really just have no idea what you're talking about?

The UFC sent Liddell to Pride, and they were supposed to get some Pride fighters sent to the UFC. At one point Pride said they'd send Sakuraba. At another point Wanderlei was inside the octagon when Dana announced a superfight between him and Chuck in the UFC. But both times Pride pulled out and didn't fulfill their end.

So you'll have to understand if the UFC is a little hesitant to co-promote, especially with a no-name promotion that is demanding half of the UFC's profits for a number of cards.

The UFC would be so stupid to give M-1 any money...They're a joke, just trying to piggyback on the UFC's success. They don't know jack about running a promotion, look at their history. Yeah, they've been around 10 years but have been promoting crap the entire time.

They're throwing tons of cash at Fedor and letting him do Sambo. Now it's Fedor's time to step up, it's his fault if he's requiring all this M-1 crap. Dana's made concessions, now Fedor has to, otherwise he's just dodging the UFC.

[uedamasa]

Re: Vadim: "We want to develop MMA. The UFC won’t be able to control the whole world.

The UFC did try and co-promote. They sent Chuck freaking Liddell to Pride! Are you being willfully ignorant, or do you really just have no idea what you're talking about?

The UFC sent Liddell to Pride, and they were supposed to get some Pride fighters sent to the UFC. At one point Pride said they'd send Sakuraba. At another point Wanderlei was inside the octagon when Dana announced a superfight between him and Chuck in the UFC. But both times Pride pulled out and didn't fulfill their end.

So you'll have to understand if the UFC is a little hesitant to co-promote, especially with a no-name promotion that is demanding half of the UFC's profits for a number of cards.

that's was because PRIDE was having a bad time at that time with the Fuji TV deal and with the yakuza issue and besides Wand was supposed to fight Chuck but was KO'd by crocop and hendo so that hyped fight was canceled..If co promoting is such a bad thing for the sport I think all Orgs would be an exclusive Org by now but its not, its only the UFC who's closing its doors and not making Big named fighters from all over the world fight each other..UFC should learn from promotions like strikeforce,dream and sengoku

[Keith121212]

Re: Vadim: "We want to develop MMA. The UFC won’t be able to control the whole world.

"M-1 Global, one of the largest mixed martial arts organizations for over a decade."

lol.

Pretty ballsy trying to defend your propaganda by referencing propaganda. You don't see many people go that route too often.

You call it ballsy. Most would call it stupid I'd think. That didn't help his garbage argument at all I felt.

[uedamasa]

Re: Vadim: "We want to develop MMA. The UFC won’t be able to control the whole world.

The UFC would be so stupid to give M-1 any money...They're a joke, just trying to piggyback on the UFC's success. They don't know jack about running a promotion, look at their history. Yeah, they've been around 10 years but have been promoting crap the entire time.

They're throwing tons of cash at Fedor and letting him do Sambo. Now it's Fedor's time to step up, it's his fault if he's requiring all this M-1 crap. Dana's made concessions, now Fedor has to, otherwise he's just dodging the UFC.

promoting crap? LOL, M-1 is a low profiled Org who doesnt do PPV and were developing up and coming unknown fighters FROM ALL OVER THE WORLD...Dodging the UFC?LOL, if Fedor is willing to kick Barnett's *** in Trilogy , why will he dodge Brock who's only strength is his Ogre size and his Wrestling and nothing else. Now he will dodge Mir? LOL, Mir would get killed if Fedor wants to, his BJJ wont save him..Nog? LOL, he got his *** kicked 3 times back in PRIDE when Nog was still a beast and in his Prime..dodge Velasquez,Carwin and Dos Santos? LMAO, these 3 guys will have to chose their poison on how Fedor is gonna finished them, a Prime Crocop and Nog will smash these three...get out of your SpikeTV world and watch some fights in other Orgs to nurture your peanut brain

[DTX3]

Re: Vadim: "We want to develop MMA. The UFC won’t be able to control the whole world.

that's was because PRIDE was having a bad time at that time with the Fuji TV deal and with the yakuza issue and besides Wand was supposed to fight Chuck but was KO'd by crocop and hendo so that hyped fight was canceled..If co promoting is such a bad thing for the sport I think all Orgs would be an exclusive Org by now but its not, its only the UFC who's closing its doors and not making Big named fighters from all over the world fight each other..UFC should learn from promotions like strikeforce,dream and sengoku

Seriously, stop talking BS out of your ***.