Lesnar #1

[Illustrator76]

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I wish people would just stop using the term nuthugger. It's often throw around like a blanket to anyone who dares defend Fedor, and usually comes from people who are themselves the definition of the word.

I'm a Fedor fan, and he's one of the guys that made me a fan of MMA. But yes, Fedor can't be the #1 ranked HW on the planet anymore, as he just lost. However, I also don't see how fans of the sport can believe that one loss invalidates a whole career or his skills either, but whatever.

For lesnar, I have always held the position that he hasn't really proved much in the few fights he had, but would gladly praise him when the time came. He's still looked sloppy, but his freakish size and power were still there. I did enjoy seeing him prove that he has a chin and heart.

Dude, you summed up my feelings 100% perfectly (including Brock), very well said.

[Ifly8o8]

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I believe that Lesnar is the top HW at this present time following Fedors lost and his win over Carwin. I think that the only hole in Brocks game is his standup but if Carwin can't finish him I truly believe no one can. JDS and Cain may be technically better, but let's be real. Brock took multiple blows by Carwin who punches harder than both. So it's not a matter of hitting Brock, it's knocking him out. Brock proved he can take a punch and still play his game plan which is take u down and either pound or now sub someone. IMO noone can stop his takedowns. He may not take you down early, but with his conditioning and explosiveness he eventually will and there aren't much people that are big enough or as skilled to get him off of them. I think the only guy that could beat him is a conditioned carwin. A carwin that can punch hard for five rounds and prevent the takedown like he did in the first.

[MC Fatigue]

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I wish people would just stop using the term nuthugger.

If you ever go to the UG, you'll more than understand why the term is used. That place is insane.

[Phillmattic]

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If you ever go to the UG, you'll more than understand why the term is used. That place is insane.

That's why I tend to stay away from those places and stick to OS. It's A LOT slower here, but at least you can actually argue about things without it getting too out of control.

This topic though is like something you would see at any other forum out there. The fact that the original post is so short and it emphasizes the term nuthugger.

[SA1NT401]

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Lesnar took out his biggest threat at HW...Now i really dont see anyone who could even push him off his throne....Cain? No.....Brock isnt going anywhere any time soon.

Lesnar v Carwin II would be ****.

[delspf]

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Fedor just needs to grow a sac and sign with the UFC and fight Brock. Then we will know who the better fighter is.

Won't happen. Not with how bad M-1 is which is Fedor. You see how bad things have been for Strikeforce with Fedor.

UFC doesn't need him. He is at the end of his career I think. He looked fatter then normal at his last fight. His last two fights he looked rather sloppy really in the cage.

[Whitesox]

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Although it goes without saying, Lesnar is easily the #1 fighter on earth. This should silence the naysayers and Fedor nuthuggers.....for a little while at least.

Best term ever.

[delspf]

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Yeah...His first round performance was amazing.....

It was considering the year lay off & it wasn;t like he was on vacation during that time.
Carwin has stopped everyone he faced. When he connected people went to sleep. Brock took everything he had in the first round & looked fine ( cardio & mood ) going into the second.

Everyone is talking about Cain is going to take him out now. I think that is crap. Cain has shown nothing but having quick recovery ( vs Kongo ) & pillow hands. I think he is hyped because everyone still wants Lesnar to lose. Well before the carwin fight they wanted him to lose.

First Mir was going to kill him. Then Randy was going to take him out. Then Carwin got elevated to god status because he was going to take him out. Now its Cain.

4 times out of 5 Brock beats everyone in the HW division. The bad part, he is getting better each fight and that is scary.

No one wants to give credit to the guy. They still seen him as some "he won cause of his size" figher. I think the fight was Carwin actually put some fear into the HW division. Hell most fighters had Carwin as the favorite.

I wish someone had a gif of Cains face when they panned to him after Lesnar just won. He looked like a deer in headlights

[feedthehorse28]

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It was considering the year lay off & it wasn;t like he was on vacation during that time.
Carwin has stopped everyone he faced. When he connected people went to sleep. Brock took everything he had in the first round & looked fine ( cardio & mood ) going into the second.

Everyone is talking about Cain is going to take him out now. I think that is crap. Cain has shown nothing but having quick recovery ( vs Kongo ) & pillow hands. I think he is hyped because everyone still wants Lesnar to lose. Well before the carwin fight they wanted him to lose.

First Mir was going to kill him. Then Randy was going to take him out. Then Carwin got elevated to god status because he was going to take him out. Now its Cain.

4 times out of 5 Brock beats everyone in the HW division. The bad part, he is getting better each fight and that is scary.

No one wants to give credit to the guy. They still seen him as some "he won cause of his size" figher. I think the fight was Carwin actually put some fear into the HW division. Hell most fighters had Carwin as the favorite.

I wish someone had a gif of Cains face when they panned to him after Lesnar just won. He looked like a deer in headlights

I'll be the first to tell you I'm not a Lesnar fan, but for the most part I agree with this post. Although I still think he's won most of his fights just because of pure size and strength, I will say his potential is through the roof and he is getting better every fight.

I thought Carwin was not only the favorite to take Lesnar out, but the ONLY person in the division who could take him out. The fact that he took Carwin's best shots with a big, fat grin is scary. In fact, it's terrifying. I don't see anyone in the UFC right now that can take Lesnar out with the exception of an in-shape Carwin in a rematch. I won't say he's unbeatable, because we've seen all champions fall, but I don't see him getting beat for a long time.

Everyone saying that Cain is gonna finally be the guy that stops Lesnar are just knocking back a cool glass of Hate-r-ade and hopping on the "beat Brock" bandwagon.

[Phillmattic]

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It was considering the year lay off & it wasn;t like he was on vacation during that time.
Carwin has stopped everyone he faced. When he connected people went to sleep. Brock took everything he had in the first round & looked fine ( cardio & mood ) going into the second.

Everyone is talking about Cain is going to take him out now. I think that is crap. Cain has shown nothing but having quick recovery ( vs Kongo ) & pillow hands. I think he is hyped because everyone still wants Lesnar to lose. Well before the carwin fight they wanted him to lose.

First Mir was going to kill him. Then Randy was going to take him out. Then Carwin got elevated to god status because he was going to take him out. Now its Cain.

4 times out of 5 Brock beats everyone in the HW division. The bad part, he is getting better each fight and that is scary.

No one wants to give credit to the guy. They still seen him as some "he won cause of his size" figher. I think the fight was Carwin actually put some fear into the HW division. Hell most fighters had Carwin as the favorite.

I wish someone had a gif of Cains face when they panned to him after Lesnar just won. He looked like a deer in headlights

I'll give credit to Lesnar for facing adversity and still coming out with a victory.

You say that people overrate Brock's size being a factor in his succes, Brock's only advantage(or offense at all) besides being big and strong is his wrestling, yet he failed to take a fresh Carwin down the entire first round.

Then after being threatened a little by Carwin on the feet, Brock literally RAN AWAY until he was cornered, covered up and fell down without even being rocked, and then got pounded on until Carwin gassed.

That fight put some fear in the HW division? After seeing that fight everyone in the HW division should want a shot at Lesnar, hell even now all of a sudden even Frank Mir wants another rematch.

I'll say it again, if you're Cain Velasquz you have to be salivating at the thought of facing Lesnar now, He just got dominated by a fighter that you're all around WAY better than.

[Ifly8o8]

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^Lol. Brock ran away and dropped without being rocked? Did u even watch the fight? Lesnars stand up is horrible so when Carwin came blazing he didn't know what to do but put his head down and turtle up. Carwin then hit him with a left uppercut and he dropped.

Everyone should be salivating to fight him? IDK but
if I seen a guy get beat on by one of if not the
heaviest hitters and shake it off then come back
to win I would be hella intimidated. Like I said it's not
a matter of hitting him now as Carwin did it
multiple times. It's knocking him out.

I think Cains only chance is to use his speed and pepper lesnar scoring pts. Reserve his energy to prevent the takedown and try to take it to decision by scoring what he can on his feet. That's what I would do if I was Cain. But I'm not so who knows what his gameplan will be.

[thegut]

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I'll give credit to Lesnar for facing adversity and still coming out with a victory.

You say that people overrate Brock's size being a factor in his succes, Brock's only advantage(or offense at all) besides being big and strong is his wrestling, yet he failed to take a fresh Carwin down the entire first round.

Then after being threatened a little by Carwin on the feet, Brock literally RAN AWAY until he was cornered, covered up and fell down without even being rocked, and then got pounded on until Carwin gassed.

That fight put some fear in the HW division? After seeing that fight everyone in the HW division should want a shot at Lesnar, hell even now all of a sudden even Frank Mir wants another rematch.

I'll say it again, if you're Cain Velasquz you have to be salivating at the thought of facing Lesnar now, He just got dominated by a fighter that you're all around WAY better than.

QFT. It seems we were watching the same fight.

[ProjectRipCity]

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I haven't read any of the posts, but I will say this...


Any fighter that Brock faces in the next 5 years is in trouble...The guy just got done with mono...and just tackled Carwin down and willed a submission.

Brock is not in the best shape of his life...He will be soon...and he will learn techniques as time goes on.

[Phobia]

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Ok there is some wild things in this thread. Some I agree with and others just out of left field.

First, Brock took some heavy shots from Carwin. Those shots hurt him and sent him running. He has never felt a shot like that before and you could see it in his body reaction. It hurt and all his body knew is he did not want any more of it.

With that said, you seen the growth in Brock when he came out in the second and knew if he kept it standing Carwin had the better chance of winning. So he went back to his Wrestling base and took Carwin down. Then surprised everyone even more when he managed to get those big vise grips of arms around Carwin's neck and tried to pop his head like a giant pimple. Submission Brock and good adjustment to come out with the win.

Next, People jumped on the Carwin bandwagon because of his stats. 12-0 and no fight leaving the first round is pretty impressive and people knew Brocks stand up is mediocre at best. Carwin had a great shot at winning the fight if he could keep it standing. But he could not and it cost him the fight.

Cain on the other hand is similar to Carwin in the fact he likes to lay hands on people. I think Brock will once again attempt to test out his stand up. He will end up eating some shots from Cain and then fall back to his strong suit of take downs, lay that huge frame on you and pound your face, and beat down from top control. I Cain is little to small to prevent Brock from getting the take down when he wants in. I also think Cain has the better hands and has a legit shot at KOing Brock. But it has to be a solid shot and must land clean on the button.

The problem for Cain against Brock is he won't be able to do his ground and pound he likes to do. Brock is little to large for Cain to be able to control on the ground. It will rely on his hands. Getting in quick, landing big shots and then getting out of range for Brock to shoot for the take down. WHEN Brock chooses to bull rush him and put him on his back. The fight will be over and Brock will remain Champ.

I honestly would like to see Werdum fight Brock. I want to see Brock face another top level BJJ guy like Mir. I just don't want to see Frank again

[Phillmattic]

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An Ugly day in OS MMA forum history.