Frank Mir wants 3rd fight with Brock Lesnar‎

[Trevelyan]

Re: Frank Mir wants 3rd fight with Brock Lesnar

I'd be interested in seeing it if Mir beats a few people and Lesnar beats Cain and Dos Santos, but I don't see the outcome being any different than the second fight. As long as Lesnar plays it safe on the ground, hes just way too powerful for Mir.

[Gotmadskillzson]

Re: Frank Mir wants 3rd fight with Brock Lesnar

Mir is too small for heavyweight......That is the same reason why Vera dropped from heavyweight, Rashaad dropped from heavyweight. Sure they are atheletic enough to be in heavyweiight and beat the lower tier, but they physically aren't big enough or strength wise to hang with the TRUE heavyweights of Brock, Carwin and Cain.

I mean Mir got beat down pretty damn bad by both Carwin and Brock. They used his head like it was a speed bag. Mir should drop to 205 and let Shogun KO his arse LOL.

[Sandman42]

Re: Frank Mir wants 3rd fight with Brock Lesnar

I have no interest in seeing a 3rd fight. Mir hates getting punched in the face. Once Brock tags him he'll go into turtle mode again.

[bkfount]

Re: Frank Mir wants 3rd fight with Brock Lesnar

Carwin took advantage of a man who had ring rust, and by the end of the first Brock got back into killer mode. I believe Mir deserves a third match, but he needs to earn it first. I say Lesnar in the first.

Lesnar didn't have ring rust. He only ever had a handful of fights, has wrestled forever, and relies on his physical power and size anyways. Carwin needs to be shamed for bringing such horrible cardio to a huge fight. Despite his experience, he got excited and gassed himself while brock wasn't really in any real danger on his back. Dumb.

As for Mir, **** off. I don't want to see a 3rd fight ever.

[CYST2000]

Re: Frank Mir wants 3rd fight with Brock Lesnar

Lesnar didn't have ring rust. He only ever had a handful of fights, has wrestled forever, and relies on his physical power and size anyways. Carwin needs to be shamed for bringing such horrible cardio to a huge fight. Despite his experience, he got excited and gassed himself while brock wasn't really in any real danger on his back. Dumb.

As for Mir, **** off. I don't want to see a 3rd fight ever.

Listen, I played football and when I lost a year to a broken arm I had to get back into hitting shape. It took me a whole game to get back into the swing of things.

Yes it was only his fifth fight, but he was put in three fights in a year, and when you leave for a year and are not ready for that first hit you loose some momentum and have to readjust your self. If he got hit by three other fighters and didn't cower up like that than he was showing signs of rust. When he got into his corner he was told to start fighting his fight and to not cower up and go for the shot, that was his corners way of telling him to shake off the rust and stop being afraid of getting hit, and in the second round we saw a man who was a little more settled in.

And are you calling me dumb or Carwins move to go for the finish.

[LingeringRegime]

Re: Frank Mir wants 3rd fight with Brock Lesnar

Mir needs to get out of the Octagon and he needs to focus on his career of color-commentary. He is a good analyst.

If he fights Brock again, he may lose too many brain cells to continue in the booth.

[BloodMeridian]

Re: Frank Mir wants 3rd fight with Brock Lesnar

Lesnar didn't have ring rust. He only ever had a handful of fights, has wrestled forever, and relies on his physical power and size anyways. Carwin needs to be shamed for bringing such horrible cardio to a huge fight. Despite his experience, he got excited and gassed himself while brock wasn't really in any real danger on his back. Dumb.

As for Mir, **** off. I don't want to see a 3rd fight ever.

Lesnar wasn't in any real danger?

Being a longtime wrestler, only having a few fights, and relying on size and power should prevent you from having ring rust after a year? What are you talking about????

[Illustrator76]

Re: Frank Mir wants 3rd fight with Brock Lesnar

Mir needs to get out of the Octagon and he needs to focus on his career of color-commentary. He is a good analyst.

If he fights Brock again, he may lose too many brain cells to continue in the booth.

Agreed! Mir is an awesome, knowledgeable and very well spoken commentator. I would prefer he go in that direction too.

[DJ]

Re: Frank Mir wants 3rd fight with Brock Lesnar

Mir is too small for heavyweight......That is the same reason why Vera dropped from heavyweight, Rashaad dropped from heavyweight. Sure they are atheletic enough to be in heavyweiight and beat the lower tier, but they physically aren't big enough or strength wise to hang with the TRUE heavyweights of Brock, Carwin and Cain.

I mean Mir got beat down pretty damn bad by both Carwin and Brock. They used his head like it was a speed bag. Mir should drop to 205 and let Shogun KO his arse LOL.

How is Mir too small for the HW division? Against Carwin, he weighed in right at the 265 limit, or very close to it. He's been around 245-255 for his other fights since he returned from his injury.

I'd like to see a rematch with Big Nog. I think it's a good fight for both guys.

[jeremym480]

Re: Frank Mir wants 3rd fight with Brock Lesnar

I would like to see it but I don't think he deserves a shot until he gets a few more wins. I really can't see it happening anytime soon. I think Lesnar takes the rubbermatch via first round TKO if they do fight.

I'd like to see them fight again. I think Mir deserves a rematch against Lesnar but, not a shot at the title unless he beats two solid guys first. Maybe give him a rematch with Carwin first. Besides who wouldn't want to see Lesnar do this

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again?

[bkfount]

Re: Frank Mir wants 3rd fight with Brock Lesnar

Lesnar wasn't in any real danger?

Being a longtime wrestler, only having a few fights, and relying on size and power should prevent you from having ring rust after a year? What are you talking about????

While Lesnar was on the ground and Carwin was gassing himself, the fight was never in any real danger of being stopped. Those shots may have ended the fight against other guys, but you can clearly see that Lesnar's giant arms deflected a fair amount, he responded every time the ref said something, and he even pushed Carwin off once or twice.

As for ring rust, again, I think it's a BS overused concept in this case. Just because he looked sloppy standing up and got taken down by Carwin, it means he was rusty? He was never really a polished technician anyways, and he had plenty of time to train after he recovered from his health problems.

Why aren't people mentioning Carwin having rust while we're at it? He's like a part time MMA fighter, who also had a full year between fights when he fought Mir in March, and that match was over in like 3 minutes. I think it was the longest of his career until he fought Lesnar.

[mmathaifighter]

Re: Frank Mir wants 3rd fight with Brock Lesnar

How is Mir too small for the HW division? Against Carwin, he weighed in right at the 265 limit, or very close to it. He's been around 245-255 for his other fights since he returned from his injury.

I'd like to see a rematch with Big Nog. I think it's a good fight for both guys.

Theres a HUGE difference between being a natural HW and an "artificial" HW. While Mir may weight 265 and put on some muscle that does not mean he has the power of Lesnar and Carwin.

I train with a lot of guys that would be considered HWs and I am 185lbs and I am functionally a lot stronger due to my wrestling background. I move them around rather easily and actually hit just as hard or harder.

There is a big difference between weight room strength and functional strength and that is the difference between HWs like Lesnar/Carwin and Mir. Wrestlers have a lifetime of developing core strength and you cannot replicate that power in the weight room in a couple of years. That is why guys like a prime Hughes, prime Couture, Lesnar, and Carwin seem to just be able to effortlessly bully guys around in their divisions.

I actually wouldnt mind seeing Mir vs Randy. We know Mir has a tough time against wrestlers and Big Nog couldnt sub Randy so I think that would be a VERY interesting fight.

[DJ]

Re: Frank Mir wants 3rd fight with Brock Lesnar

Theres a HUGE difference between being a natural HW and an "artificial" HW. While Mir may weight 265 and put on some muscle that does not mean he has the power of Lesnar and Carwin.

I train with a lot of guys that would be considered HWs and I am 185lbs and I am functionally a lot stronger due to my wrestling background. I move them around rather easily and actually hit just as hard or harder.

There is a big difference between weight room strength and functional strength and that is the difference between HWs like Lesnar/Carwin and Mir. Wrestlers have a lifetime of developing core strength and you cannot replicate that power in the weight room in a couple of years. That is why guys like a prime Hughes, prime Couture, Lesnar, and Carwin seem to just be able to effortlessly bully guys around in their divisions.

I actually wouldnt mind seeing Mir vs Randy. We know Mir has a tough time against wrestlers and Big Nog couldnt sub Randy so I think that would be a VERY interesting fight.

I agree with you on the strength issue. But, there's no denying that Mir's frame is natural for HW. As I mentioned, he's been at least 245 in all his fights since 2008. It'd be silly to cut 40-plus pounds and try and fight at LHW. Not saying it couldn't be done b/c it happens a lot. I just don't think it's smart. Again, personal opinion.

[mmathaifighter]

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I agree with you on the strength issue. But, there's no denying that Mir's frame is natural for HW. As I mentioned, he's been at least 245 in all his fights since 2008. It'd be silly to cut 40-plus pounds and try and fight at LHW. Not saying it couldn't be done b/c it happens a lot. I just don't think it's smart. Again, personal opinion.

I agree also that it wouldnt be smart. Not only would dropping 40 pounds effect his power but also his cardio. He would almost be pure lean muscle at 205. Even rehydrating back up to say, 220 would be incredibly taxing on his body. A lot of people dont realize that he is actually a big HW even at 245. A lot of the current crop of newer HWs like Cain and JDS weigh 235-240. The problem is that mutant wrestlers like Brock and Carwin will more often that not beat guys like Mir, Cain and JDS.

Yes I know Cain comes from a wrestling pedigree but when technique is close to or at even, then power is the deciding factor. I dont care if Cain has a gas tank that can last for days. He cannot stop a take down from Brock and weather the concrete blocks that Brock will drop on his head nor will he be able to take more than a couple of shots from Carwin. I think Cain and JDS will be fighting for 3 and 4 in the division while Carwin and Brock will be fighting for 1 and 2 for the foreseeable future.

Guys like Mir, Randy, and even Big Nog, give a good case for a 206-225 division but then you will have Cain and JDS dropping down and it'll be Lesnar and Carwin fighting every 6 months for the title. Who the hell would stick around to get pummeled by either of them?

On a side note, Fedor usually fights at around 230lbs. Imagine him dropping down to 205 which he could easily do if he wanted.

[Aggies7]

Re: Frank Mir wants 3rd fight with Brock Lesnar

I do not think it would even be close...Think Lesnar knocks him out quick.