UFC 128: Shogun vs. Jones - 3/19 in NJ

[CYST2000]

Re: UFC 128: Shogun vs. Jones - 3/19 in NJ

I have been saying since day one that Jones and Silva would be the real deal (not Silva vs Pierre), and a lot of people were saying that Jones wasn't a real threat, or Jones would get destroyed. Well it looks like Jones is well on his way towards being one of the best this sport has ever seen.

No, I am not or ever will be apart of the Fedor Nut-Hugger crowd.

But I am starting the official, Jon Jones Jock Assoc.

[Vast]

Re: UFC 128: Shogun vs. Jones - 3/19 in NJ

@ Silva being a "huge underdog" to anyone in the octagon.

i did say imo. He almost lost to Sonnen who is a middleweight. We are talking about an ultra skilled fast LHW who makes LHW's look like they're too small to be in the ring with him.

Silva would be up against a giant, younger, more agressive, better wrestling version of himself.

[TheShizNo1]

i did say imo. He almost lost to Sonnen who is a middleweight. We are talking about an ultra skilled fast LHW who makes LHW's look like they're too small to be in the ring with him.

Silva would be up against a giant, younger, more agressive, better wrestling version of himself.

He also had a broken Rib against Sonnen. Everyone is more aggressive than Silva because he's a counter fighter.

[aholbert32]

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i did say imo. He almost lost to Sonnen who is a middleweight. We are talking about an ultra skilled fast LHW who makes LHW's look like they're too small to be in the ring with him.

Silva would be up against a giant, younger, more agressive, better wrestling version of himself.

LOL...and the hype machine begins. He almost lost to Sonnen with a broken rib. Also the key word is "almost".

So you are telling me that the pound for pound #1 fighter in the world would be a huge underdog to a guy who just beat his first top 5 opponent? Really? Silva at LHW is a better striker and has a better submission game. I'm not saying Jones couldnt or wouldnt win but saying he would be a HUGE underdog is ****ing stupid.

[thorne666]

Re: UFC 128: Shogun vs. Jones - 3/19 in NJ

damn, after reading Rashad's account, it will be difficult watching him get killed.
while anything is possible, the likelihood of him taking out Jones isn't very good.
Evans really hasn't shown that he's very durable, and the pressure Jones put on Rua, based on what i've seen in the past , will probably consume Evans.

[redsrule]

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LOL...and the hype machine begins. He almost lost to Sonnen with a broken rib. Also the key word is "almost".

So you are telling me that the pound for pound #1 fighter in the world would be a huge underdog to a guy who just beat his first top 5 opponent? Really? Silva at LHW is a better striker and has a better submission game. I'm not saying Jones couldnt or wouldnt win but saying he would be a HUGE underdog is ****ing stupid.

Couldnt put it better myself.
Jones submission defense still hasn't been tested except by Rua's sad leg lock attempts. People seem to forgot Anderson has a very good submission game, he just doesn't use it much. The only place Jones has an edge is wrestling.
Anderson should never be an underdog, EVER

[goh]

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Silva would be up against a giant, younger, more agressive, better wrestling version of himself.

Not at the current moment he wouldn't. Silva has a better idea of how to use spacing,better at avoiding strikes,throws better kicks and has better BJJ. Not that Jones can't learn all that stuff but if he did...

[LingeringRegime]

Re: UFC 128: Shogun vs. Jones - 3/19 in NJ

The sad thing is that this fight probably won't take place until Silva is out of his prime. Because Jones hasn't even defended the LHW title yet.

I echo what others have said, Silva would have to be the favorite. If they fought today. If they fight in a year or two, the nod would probably go to Jones.

[Phillmattic]

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You would think over the last two years MMA fans would learn to slow it on the hype. I know I have, because I'm guilty of being a part of it.

Brock Lesnar destroys Frank Mir and then there is no one the heavyweight division who can handle Brock's size, strength, and wrestling.

Machida destroys Rashad and then there is no one at LHW that can has the skills to compete with or "figure out" Machida.

BJ Penn destroys Sanchez and suddenly the LW division has no real challengers and BJ is expected to reign as champ until he decides to go back to WW.

Can Jones have a Silva or GSP like run as champ in the LHW division? Absolutely.

But we should really take it fight by fight and not just look past all of his potential challengers.

[aholbert32]

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You would think over the last two years MMA fans would learn to slow it on the hype. I know I have, because I'm guilty of being a part of it.

Brock Lesnar destroys Frank Mir and then there is no one the heavyweight division who can handle Brock's size, strength, and wrestling.

Machida destroys Rashad and then there is no one at LHW that can has the skills to compete with or "figure out" Machida.

BJ Penn destroys Sanchez and suddenly the LW division has no real challengers and BJ is expected to reign as champ until he decides to go back to WW.

Can Jones have a Silva or GSP like run as champ in the LHW division? Absolutely.

But we should really take it fight by fight and not just look past all of his potential challengers.

THANK YOU!

[ex carrabba fan]

Re: UFC 128: Shogun vs. Jones - 3/19 in NJ

You would think over the last two years MMA fans would learn to slow it on the hype. I know I have, because I'm guilty of being a part of it.

Brock Lesnar destroys Frank Mir and then there is no one the heavyweight division who can handle Brock's size, strength, and wrestling.

Machida destroys Rashad and then there is no one at LHW that can has the skills to compete with or "figure out" Machida.

BJ Penn destroys Sanchez and suddenly the LW division has no real challengers and BJ is expected to reign as champ until he decides to go back to WW.

Can Jones have a Silva or GSP like run as champ in the LHW division? Absolutely.

But we should really take it fight by fight and not just look past all of his potential challengers.

Since people keep repeating the Machida/Brock thing, I guess I'll keep repeating that it was ridiculous and silly for them to ever be proclaimed unbeatable to begin with.

I would say Jones has much more reason to be hyped than those two ever were. He's got the skills/body/youth all wrapped into one.

Not saying he's gonna dominate for years to come, but when I look at the division and Jones' skills, he at least has semi reason for people to be crowning him. Machida/Brock? no. They never should have been hyped the way they were.

[LingeringRegime]

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I agree ex. Even though, I fell for the Machida hype.

[Vast]

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LOL...and the hype machine begins. He almost lost to Sonnen with a broken rib. Also the key word is "almost".

So you are telling me that the pound for pound #1 fighter in the world would be a huge underdog to a guy who just beat his first top 5 opponent? Really? Silva at LHW is a better striker and has a better submission game. I'm not saying Jones couldnt or wouldnt win but saying he would be a HUGE underdog is ****ing stupid.

I disagree with you. I've never thought an MMA fighter was even remotely close to unbeatable until Jones.

Please tell me how Mr. Counterstriker is going to beat Jones? You can't counter someone that can throw a punch and still be out of striking range.
You can't take Jones down.

So I'm guessing you think Silva would easily be the LHW Champ. What is he doing wasting his time at Middleweight then?

[aholbert32]

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I disagree with you. I've never thought an MMA fighter was even remotely close to unbeatable until Jones.

Please tell me how Mr. Counterstriker is going to beat Jones? You can't counter someone that can throw a punch and still be out of striking range.
You can't take Jones down.

So I'm guessing you think Silva would easily be the LHW Champ. What is he doing wasting his time at Middleweight then?

Stop talking about his reach. He doesnt use it like a tall fighter so that doesnt matter. He doesnt use his jab. He's not a technical striker yet. Jones can learn how to be one but his standup is wild. People (including myself) love to see the spinning back kicks and elbows but it leaves him wide open to an accurate striker. When you throw spinning back elbows, reach doesnt ****ing matter.

Jones has fought ONE top striker. ONE. We have no idea if he can take a solid punch. We have no idea what his chin is like.

Here's what we do know. Silva has two Ko's at LHW so its clear his power follows him to LHW. We know that Jones has never faced a legit BBJ black belt and Silva is one. We know Silva has no problem working off of his back going for subs. He did it against Henderson. He did it against Sonnen. He did it against Lutter.

Again just slow down. Jones is great but he just beat his first top 5 fighter. Lets let him win a few more before we anoint him P4P

[Xs and Os]

^^^agreed on all points except for striking range. Bones can throw a straight elbow from punching range. Mist people dont even have a straight elbow. It's a unique and effective attack. Don't think it would get anywhere near Silva though.