UFC 137: Diaz v. Penn - Oct 29

[ex carrabba fan]

Re: UFC 137: Diaz v. Penn - Oct 29

All I'm saying is I really don't think Nick is going to get slaughtered by GSP. I don't think Nick would get slaughtered by any WW.

Like I said, once GSP/Fitch/Kos get him to the mat, Nick is very active in the guard. GSP has been able to hold recent opponents down because they're basically turtles on their backs.

Nick is so savvy on the mat, for five rounds it's gonna be a war.

I definitely give GSP the edge, but people just really don't give Nick the credit he deserves. Coming into this fight with BJ, it was no different.

[LingeringRegime]

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To be honest, I really didn't really like Diaz too much before last night. But lately he is growing on me. I will be rooting for him. I like his honesty in that video about having to fight Penn when he didn't really want to. He seems like a real straight up and loyal person.

[Phillmattic]

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I doubted Diaz's boxing going into the second fight with KJ Noons, and after that fight I will never doubt it again.

It doesn't look menacing but the constant pressure, the mixing up of combos, and the volume of punches is just too much for guys to deal with.

[ex carrabba fan]

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To be honest, I really didn't really like Diaz too much before last night. But lately he is growing on me. I will be rooting for him. I like his honesty in that video about having to fight Penn when he didn't really want to. He seems like a real straight up and loyal person.

Nick badly needs a mentor. I hope Dana can take him aside and just lay out the basics.

Help him buy a house and things like that. Nick has no father figure it seems, and that has to do a lot with his volatility. Cesar Gracie may be a cool and upright guy, but he rubbed me the wrong way last night. I hate trainers/managers who try to get all up in the spotlight. I didn't think he was like that originally, I thought he was the level headed guy who kept Nick honest. I don't think he's that mentor that Nick needs.

[Gotmadskillzson]

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Oh please.........Do you guys honestly think GSP is going to want to stay on the ground with Diaz ? I don't think so, that will be like playing with fire with a BJJ black belt who has long limbs.

Also it is a big difference between Penn and GSP. Penn continues to stand and bang when he gets hit in the face. GSP DON"T like to get hit in the face.

Every time GSP get hits hard in the face, he immediately takes it to the ground. Plus this will be the 1st time GSP fights somebody TALLER then him. So that will be different for GSP, since damn near every fight he had, he was the taller guy.

All in all should be a great fight. Guaranteed GSP's camp will use this fight as a measuring stick to see how well he would do against Anderson Silva, since Silva is 6'2 and Diaz is 6'1.

[redsrule]

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Oh please.........Do you guys honestly think GSP is going to want to stay on the ground with Diaz ? I don't think so, that will be like playing with fire with a BJJ black belt who has long limbs.

Also it is a big difference between Penn and GSP. Penn continues to stand and bang when he gets hit in the face. GSP DON"T like to get hit in the face.

Every time GSP get hits hard in the face, he immediately takes it to the ground. Plus this will be the 1st time GSP fights somebody TALLER then him. So that will be different for GSP, since damn near every fight he had, he was the taller guy.

All in all should be a great fight. Guaranteed GSP's camp will use this fight as a measuring stick to see how well he would do against Anderson Silva, since Silva is 6'2 and Diaz is 6'1.

If you are talking about height differences maybe, but Diaz and Silva are two completely different style fighters.

[ex carrabba fan]

Re: UFC 137: Diaz v. Penn - Oct 29

Oh please.........Do you guys honestly think GSP is going to want to stay on the ground with Diaz ? I don't think so, that will be like playing with fire with a BJJ black belt who has long limbs.

Also it is a big difference between Penn and GSP. Penn continues to stand and bang when he gets hit in the face. GSP DON"T like to get hit in the face.

Every time GSP get hits hard in the face, he immediately takes it to the ground. Plus this will be the 1st time GSP fights somebody TALLER then him. So that will be different for GSP, since damn near every fight he had, he was the taller guy.

All in all should be a great fight. Guaranteed GSP's camp will use this fight as a measuring stick to see how well he would do against Anderson Silva, since Silva is 6'2 and Diaz is 6'1.

Um, I can almost guarantee you that GSP will take it to the ground early and often. If you're telling me that GSP doesn't like getting hit in the face, well then where is the fight gonna go?

There's going to be a lot of hugging, a lot of up against the fence, and a lot of sprawling and a lot of time on Nick's back.

You think GSP is going to keep it standing? Why in the world would he deviate from his bread and butter. GSP is going to win or lose trying to lay on Diaz while utilizing some jabs to set up takedowns.

[goh]

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People taking stuff the wrong way. UFC is a business and the business minded fighters KNOW it is their job to sale fights and hype fights up. Nick Diaz isn't doing nothing different then Chael Sonnen does, Josh Koscheck does or Michael Bisping does.

How is it Chael Sonnen can do it and people give him props and all that, but let one of the Diaz brothers do it, they act like they just murdered babies or something.

SMH

It comes down to the way they go about it. People -do- give crap to Kos and Bisping all the time but just about everyone gets a laugh out of Sonnen.

Wasn't very pleased with this show overall. At least if that's it for CroCop and BJ I can say I saw their last fights.

I had Kongo/Mitrione a draw but I guess judges can't give 0-0 rounds. I noticed one actually gave a 10-10 round,I didn't think they were allowed to.

In the Diaz/Penn preview Joe said they that's why they're 2 of the most beloved fighters. I thought they were 2 of the most hated. Maybe he meant to say respected.

[aholbert32]

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All I'm saying is I really don't think Nick is going to get slaughtered by GSP. I don't think Nick would get slaughtered by any WW.

Like I said, once GSP/Fitch/Kos get him to the mat, Nick is very active in the guard. GSP has been able to hold recent opponents down because they're basically turtles on their backs.

Nick is so savvy on the mat, for five rounds it's gonna be a war.

I definitely give GSP the edge, but people just really don't give Nick the credit he deserves. Coming into this fight with BJ, it was no different.

I have nothing to go on that shows that Nick is going to be effective on his back when he faces an elite wrestler. All I can go on is that two of Nick's losses in the UFC against good or elite wrestlers (Sherk and Sanchez). Now thats not completely fair to Nick because those fights were 5 yrs ago but his Strikeforce/Elite XC years have been against all strikers so I have nothing else to go on.

Also I don't know if his style is suited for defending against wrestlers. He's constantly throwing punches and leaves him self open for takedowns constantly. Also with GSP we are talking about an elite wrestler. I can't wait for the fight but before the fight was cancelled I thought GSP would win and I still think he will easily.

[aholbert32]

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Um, I can almost guarantee you that GSP will take it to the ground early and often. If you're telling me that GSP doesn't like getting hit in the face, well then where is the fight gonna go?

There's going to be a lot of hugging, a lot of up against the fence, and a lot of sprawling and a lot of time on Nick's back.

You think GSP is going to keep it standing? Why in the world would he deviate from his bread and butter. GSP is going to win or lose trying to lay on Diaz while utilizing some jabs to set up takedowns.

Totally agree. GSP and Jackson will NEVER game plan to keep standing with Diaz. I like GSP's striking but Diaz is on another level there. That would be suicide for GSP.

[aholbert32]

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Oh please.........Do you guys honestly think GSP is going to want to stay on the ground with Diaz ? I don't think so, that will be like playing with fire with a BJJ black belt who has long limbs.

Also it is a big difference between Penn and GSP. Penn continues to stand and bang when he gets hit in the face. GSP DON"T like to get hit in the face.

Every time GSP get hits hard in the face, he immediately takes it to the ground. Plus this will be the 1st time GSP fights somebody TALLER then him. So that will be different for GSP, since damn near every fight he had, he was the taller guy.

All in all should be a great fight. Guaranteed GSP's camp will use this fight as a measuring stick to see how well he would do against Anderson Silva, since Silva is 6'2 and Diaz is 6'1.

Jon Fitch and Jake Shields are both 6'0 and taller than GSP. I don't think that one inch in height difference is going to mean much.

[ex carrabba fan]

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I have nothing to go on that shows that Nick is going to be effective on his back when he faces an elite wrestler. All I can go on is that two of Nick's losses in the UFC against good or elite wrestlers (Sherk and Sanchez). Now thats not completely fair to Nick because those fights were 5 yrs ago but his Strikeforce/Elite XC years have been against all strikers so I have nothing else to go on.

Also I don't know if his style is suited for defending against wrestlers. He's constantly throwing punches and leaves him self open for takedowns constantly. Also with GSP we are talking about an elite wrestler. I can't wait for the fight but before the fight was cancelled I thought GSP would win and I still think he will easily.

To be fair, today, you can count the number of elite wrestlers in the WW division on maybe three or four fingers. Diaz is obviously a completely different fighter than he was his first time around with the UFC.

All I mean is Nick isn't gonna be a turtle on his back. Though there is no proof of my theory, I don't think it's too far fetched to believe so. His activity on the mat and BJJ skills should be enough to make him fare better than GSP's recent foes.

To point out that Nick has only faced strikers since his departure from the UFC is fair game, but to then basically ignore his ground game at the same time is completely unfair. Just because his opponents haven't been wrestlers doesn't mean a thing.

I do not think it's far fetched to say I think GSP will decisively beat Nick, but to say he'll easily beat him is another thing that I just disagree strongly with.

Well I can't wait for the fight either, a lot of people thought BJ was going to win easliy and now a lot of folks think GSP is going to win easily. Hopefully Nick doesn't lose his head between now and the fight.

He's not dumb, he knows he's gonna be on his back a whole lot, I know he's gonna get the proper training in to prepare for that.

[aholbert32]

Re: UFC 137: Diaz v. Penn - Oct 29

To be fair, today, you can count the number of elite wrestlers in the WW division on maybe three or four fingers. Diaz is obviously a completely different fighter than he was his first time around with the UFC.

All I mean is Nick isn't gonna be a turtle on his back. Though there is no proof of my theory, I don't think it's too far fetched to believe so. His activity on the mat and BJJ skills should be enough to make him fare better than GSP's recent foes.

To point out that Nick has only faced strikers since his departure from the UFC is fair game, but to then basically ignore his ground game at the same time is completely unfair. Just because his opponents haven't been wrestlers doesn't mean a thing.

I do not think it's far fetched to say I think GSP will decisively beat Nick, but to say he'll easily beat him is another thing that I just disagree strongly with.

Well I can't wait for the fight either, a lot of people thought BJ was going to win easliy and now a lot of folks think GSP is going to win easily. Hopefully Nick doesn't lose his head between now and the fight.

He's not dumb, he knows he's gonna be on his back a whole lot, I know he's gonna get the proper training in to prepare for that.

Oh don't get my wrong. I 'm not ignoring Nick's ground game. I just don't think its gonna be that effective against GSP. Its easy to be active off your back in the first round but in rounds 3, 4 and 5 when you've been taken down consistently during the fight....its hard to be as active.

Anyway, we will see. Glad its coming in January and we won't have to wait long.

[ex carrabba fan]

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I'm just happy GSP is upset. Maybe this time he'll actually finish a fight, no hate at all.

[GiantYankee]

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Yeah, GSP has the advantage on the ground. Not debating that at all. Diaz needs to be sprawling his *** off in training camp.

By the way, here is some highlights from the Post Fight Presser...

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“There’s not enough money in this sport. You got Floyd Mayweather making $25 million dollars. He can’t stop the double leg. I had to go to school to learn how to do that ****”. That was classic. I'm still laughing.

I've never been real high on Diaz but he keeps beating the hell out of his opponents! I feel bad for Condit but I'm really excited to see this fight. I see GSP winning by mixing it up with his boxing to setup the wrestling. In the past GSP says that he likes to do what his opponent is not expecting (I.E. wrestling Koschek). He can't really do that with Diaz. Nick is too active and any standup will lead to a brawl which wouldn't be good for GSP. GSP will need to work on his ground & pound and jijit su. Get lazy in g&p and Diaz will lock in an armbar. Did I say that I'm excited for this fight?!?!!