UFC 137: Diaz v. Penn - Oct 29

[Gotmadskillzson]

Re: UFC 137: Diaz v. Penn - Oct 29

Great fight indeed......really has great potential to be fight of the year for 2012, other then the Anderson Silva and Chael Sonnen fight. Honestly though I don't buy that GSP was highly upset.

He sure didn't look like it to me and his personality wise, I don't think he has it in him to be highly upset.

Far as Condit goes, I already knew if Diaz beat Penn he was going to jump above Condit. Money wise, GSP vs Diaz sales more tickets then Condit vs GSP. When people hear Condit, they immediately think of Fitch's twin with better BJJ.

Neither are really exciting fighters. Condit now knows how Okami felt. Okami got bumped 3 or 4 times and had to wait 3 years before they finally stopped bumping him and let him fight Anderson Silva.

Now far as GSP's game plan......Take down, get up, leg kick, take down, get up, leg kick. Pretty much basically probably going to do that the whole fight. He not going to stand and bang and he don't want to stay on the ground for long lengths at a time either.

[aholbert32]

Re: UFC 137: Diaz v. Penn - Oct 29

Don't be scared, homie.

[aholbert32]

Re: UFC 137: Diaz v. Penn - Oct 29

Great fight indeed......really has great potential to be fight of the year for 2012, other then the Anderson Silva and Chael Sonnen fight. Honestly though I don't buy that GSP was highly upset.

He sure didn't look like it to me and his personality wise, I don't think he has it in him to be highly upset.

Far as Condit goes, I already knew if Diaz beat Penn he was going to jump above Condit. Money wise, GSP vs Diaz sales more tickets then Condit vs GSP. When people hear Condit, they immediately think of Fitch's twin with better BJJ.

Neither are really exciting fighters. Condit now knows how Okami felt. Okami got bumped 3 or 4 times and had to wait 3 years before they finally stopped bumping him and let him fight Anderson Silva.

Now far as GSP's game plan......Take down, get up, leg kick, take down, get up, leg kick. Pretty much basically probably going to do that the whole fight. He not going to stand and bang and he don't want to stay on the ground for long lengths at a time either.

LOL. No offense but from your Condit statements, I wonder if you've ever seen him fight. He has back to back KOs of the night over Hardy and Kim. A fight of the night against Mcdonald and what should of been FON against Ellenberger. I honestly can't think of a boring fight he's been in while he's been in the UFC.

Comparing him to Fitch is just ridiculous.

[ex carrabba fan]

Re: UFC 137: Diaz v. Penn - Oct 29

My man, how can you say Condit is not exciting? There's no way we're talking about the same Carlos Condit.

Sure Diaz/GSP is more money, but I think you're referring to a different Carlos Condit. The Carlos Condit I'm thinking of is one of the most exciting fighters in MMA.

Number two, GSP might not have shown it that night on camera, but I'm pretty sure him being upset isn't some made up BS. When you question a man's heart and say that he's scared and assert that he's faking an injury in front of an arena, you're gonna get upset regardless. Just because the camera didn't show it doesn't mean a thing.

[aholbert32]

Re: UFC 137: Diaz v. Penn - Oct 29

My man, how can you say Condit is not exciting? There's no way we're talking about the same Carlos Condit.

Sure Diaz/GSP is more money, but I think you're referring to a different Carlos Condit. The Carlos Condit I'm thinking of is one of the most exciting fighters in MMA.

Number two, GSP might not have shown it that night on camera, but I'm pretty sure him being upset isn't some made up BS. When you question a man's heart and say that he's scared and assert that he's faking an injury in front of an arena, you're gonna get upset regardless. Just because the camera didn't show it doesn't mean a thing.

Completely agree about GSP being mad. If Diaz wouldn't have made the scared comment and would have said I'm going to wait for the winner of Condit/GSP, I think we would be seeing GSP/Condit. I think GSP went straight to Dana and asked for the fight. Dana looked at Diaz's performance, GSP's anger and the way the crowd reacted to the callout and said "I need to make this fight now".

Lets hope Nick can make it to the press conference.

[aholbert32]

Re: UFC 137: Diaz v. Penn - Oct 29

"Diaz reportedly made $200,000 to show last night and earned another $75,000 for Fight of the Night. He made $175,000 for his win over Paul Daley in April. For his victory over Evangelista Santos, Diaz was paid $150,000. He got $50,000 for that fight before that against KJ Noons."

- Yahoo Sports.

All that money is before sponsorship money he gets from Metal Mullisha. How the hell can't he buy a house in Stockton, CA? How come he can't pay his training partner? He's made almost a million dollars in the last two years alone.

[jeremym480]

Re: UFC 137: Diaz v. Penn - Oct 29

When people hear Condit, they immediately think of Fitch's twin with better BJJ.

This guy?

Spoiler

Considering he has one Fight of the Night and two Knockouts of the Night in his last three fights I don't see how anyone can say that.

I do feel bad for Carlos, however he could have avoided this if he would have accepted the fight against Diaz. If that that fight was truly offered to him then he has no one to blame but himself.

EDIT: I made this post before reading aholbert32's post. He is right on with everything he said.

[ex carrabba fan]

Re: UFC 137: Diaz v. Penn - Oct 29

"Diaz reportedly made $200,000 to show last night and earned another $75,000 for Fight of the Night. He made $175,000 for his win over Paul Daley in April. For his victory over Evangelista Santos, Diaz was paid $150,000. He got $50,000 for that fight before that against KJ Noons."

- Yahoo Sports.

All that money is before sponsorship money he gets from Metal Mullisha. How the hell can't he buy a house in Stockton, CA? How come he can't pay his training partner? He's made almost a million dollars in the last two years alone.

The house thing, he said he "didn't know how to buy a house" because he never went to school for that. Lol. So I think it's more of a thing where he is really that clueless about being grown up.

As far as his sparring partners, I was very confused about that entire topic. Is he asking the UFC to pay for his sparring partners? WTF is he talking about

[aholbert32]

Re: UFC 137: Diaz v. Penn - Oct 29

The house thing, he said he "didn't know how to buy a house" because he never went to school for that. Lol. So I think it's more of a thing where he is really that clueless about being grown up.

As far as his sparring partners, I was very confused about that entire topic. Is he asking the UFC to pay for his sparring partners? WTF is he talking about

I didn't get that either. You pay for sparring partners out of your pocket. Ive never heard of the UFC paying for people to help train its fighters. Also I'm sick of Diaz bringing up how much Mayweather makes compared to him.

Floyd has 6 straight million plus PPVs. Diaz has zero. Also Floyd is willing to do anything to promote his fights (24/7, talk shows). Diaz can't even be bothered to show up to a press conference.

[DJ]

Re: UFC 137: Diaz v. Penn - Oct 29

Yeah, GSP has the advantage on the ground. Not debating that at all. Diaz needs to be sprawling his *** off in training camp.

By the way, here is some highlights from the Post Fight Presser...

<iframe width="560" height="315" src="http://www.youtube.com/embed/yjFzQhhUGmo" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>

<iframe width="560" height="315" src="http://www.youtube.com/embed/Rvx_c2Z7Yxg" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>

The part about going running through the nice neighborhoods and then returning to his home and seeing guys picking up cigarette butts had me rolling.

[GiantYankee]

Re: UFC 137: Diaz v. Penn - Oct 29

Far as Condit goes, I already knew if Diaz beat Penn he was going to jump above Condit. Money wise, GSP vs Diaz sales more tickets then Condit vs GSP. When people hear Condit, they immediately think of Fitch's twin with better BJJ.

Neither are really exciting fighters.

I have to disagree. Condit is a pretty damn exciting fighter to me. Jon Fitch is the last person that I think of when Condit comes up.

[XFactah416]

Re: UFC 137: Diaz v. Penn - Oct 29

Regarding Nick and his financial situation: if I had to guess, I would say that Nick is very loyal and most likely overly generous with his money. He seems like that guy who, if you get on his side, is going to be on your side to the death, and that probably means some guys in his "corner" are probably overcharging him and what not.

I was VERY impressed in the first round when Nick and BJ grappled for a bit and Nick managed to negate BJ from doing much.

Do I feel bad for Carlos? Definitely. But, Nick Diaz vs GSP has to happen, regardless if GSP is just going to try and wrestle and take him down for 5 rounds. This is the biggest WW fight in recent memory outside of BJ vs GSP II.

I don't think Nick Diaz is going to beat GSP (nor can anyone at WW for that matter), but I do think it'll be an interesting fight. I disagree though with the idea of having Nick drill takedowns over and over again; that simply isn't gonna help. He will be put on his back no matter how hard he trained for it anyway, but Nick's style is carefree and he doesn't give care where the fight goes. GSP is gonna have to work for this one because unlike previous opponents, Diaz is a very well-rounded threat and won't be a fish out of water wherever the fight goes.

Either way though, Nick Diaz is one of, if not the, most exciting fighter in MMA and it's awesome to watch him fight. I don't care about the press conferences anymore when he goes in there and breaks fighters with his insane endurance and punching output. He should be kept far, far away from a microphone though because he is the very definition of anti-PR and probably makes Dana age a few years whenever he speaks and rambles on about stuff.

[Pappy Knuckles]

Re: UFC 137: Diaz v. Penn - Oct 29

<object width="560" height="315"><param name="movie" value="http://www.youtube.com/v/Ccq-GDwDMu8?version=3&amp;hl=en_US"></param><param name="allowFullScreen" value="true"></param><param name="allowscriptaccess" value="always"></param><embed src="http://www.youtube.com/v/Ccq-GDwDMu8?version=3&amp;hl=en_US" type="application/x-shockwave-flash" width="560" height="315" allowscriptaccess="always" allowfullscreen="true"></embed></object>

Apparently, Nick didn't step aside like Daddy Dana said he did. No option was given to him. Sucks for Condit, but the shot was originally Diaz's in the first place. He didn't get his opportunity based on beating Kim, he got his crack at the title based on a press conference no-show. I'd know I'd be disappointed if I was him, but at least he's still next in line with a win in his upcoming fight.

[WTF]

Re: UFC 137: Diaz v. Penn - Oct 29

Personally, I think Nick should be pushed back even further, after the no-shows at the presser, etc. You have guys who take it seriously and want to be a part of the Title picture like Condit.

Of course it WAS Diaz's opportunity first, and if he would have taken his opportunity, he would have cashed in the other day. He didn't fill in his part, so he should be pushed back near the back of the line for his antics. He's lucky that Dana is letting him back in the picture in the first place.

Feel bad for Condit, but good attitude on his part.

[thorne666]

Re: UFC 137: Diaz v. Penn - Oct 29

I believe it has all been pretty much covered. I will reiterate, however, that GSP will not attempt to beat Nick at Nick's strength. I think what is important to note here is that Nick is more of a boxer where GSP is a striker, modifying his tactics based on the opponent. The reason GSP destroyed Kos with that Jab was because their wrestling abilities nullified one another. If GSP were boxing, I'm certain Kos would have been shooting all night long, but he couldn't due to GSP's shoot-aware striking stance.

Nick's stance, in my opinion, makes him prime picking for the jab, however, he is excellent on his back, so is less concerned with being taken down.

I may be in the minority, but I want to see Nick win. GSP lost me with he prima donna ways. Additionally, there is a fine line between fighting safe and fighting scared. Lately, I'm not so sure which GSP is doing. And is it me, or is this guy averaging the longest lay-offs between bouts, or what? In most of his fights, he sustains minimal damage or a nagging injury, yet it seems like he's fighting either once or twice a year.

In any event, I think it will be a good fight. If my dream comes true, and the fight is spent mostly on feet, I can truly see GSP melting from Diaz's onslaught. Going in the other direction, GSP wins by stifling the action against the cage and mat, scoring solely on take-downs.