Jones v. Rampage - UFC 135- SEPT 24- DENVER

[ex carrabba fan]

Re: Jones v. Rampage - Free on Spike TV in September?

I dont think there is a fighter in the world who wouldnt leave MMA if he could make more money acting. GSP, Diaz, Silva...any of them. Its an easy choice: 1) Get punched in the face and risk injury or death for 2-3 mil a fight or 2) Act in action movies and make equal or more money. Who wouldnt choose two?

The difference is he is one of the few people who can actually do it and actually have that choice. Also its just talk from Rampage. He isnt the Rock. He isnt going to make 5 mil a picture especially since the A-Team was a box office dissapointment. No one should ever take anything Rampage says seriously.

Really? I guess I'll just be naive and say I disagree. On the surface I think most of the bigger names of the sport truly love the sport. I mean of course when you put it like "oh well what would you rather do, get punched in the face or act in movies?" logically yes, you would act.

However most of these fighters who have grown up in MMA and have trained for several years, I think that's quite an assumption to say what you did there. Just my opinion. When you put your life into MMA or anything for that matter, you don't just give that up so easily. The blood sweat and tears IMO mean something.

Of course there are probably a lot of fighters like Rampage, but hell, at least they're not disrespectful enough to say it and run their big *** mouths all the time. Smh

[ex carrabba fan]

Re: Jones v. Rampage - Free on Spike TV in September?

Pretty much spot on. Hasn't there been a ton of fighters that have been in movies before? I want Rampage to win still personally, I am not a big fan of Jones even if I think he is an amazing fighter. His BJJ or Chin hasn't been tested yet though.

A ton of fighters in movies? That isn't what I was getting at though.

I was getting at the notion of ditching the sport and his fans to act because he would get more money. Obviously I can't hate on him for that, but it seems disrespectful to blab about it constantly.

[aholbert32]

Re: Jones v. Rampage - Free on Spike TV in September?

Really? I guess I'll just be naive and say I disagree. On the surface I think most of the bigger names of the sport truly love the sport. I mean of course when you put it like "oh well what would you rather do, get punched in the face or act in movies?" logically yes, you would act.

However most of these fighters who have grown up in MMA and have trained for several years, I think that's quite an assumption to say what you did there. Just my opinion. When you put your life into MMA or anything for that matter, you don't just give that up so easily. The blood sweat and tears IMO mean something.

Of course there are probably a lot of fighters like Rampage, but hell, at least they're not disrespectful enough to say it and run their big *** mouths all the time. Smh

They put their blood sweat and tears into MMA because they love the sport and it provides them with an income. If a fighter enjoys acting just as much as he does fighting, He's gonna choose the thing that pays him the most which is the least difficult to do. In this case its acting.

I still say no one should take Rampage seriously. He's gone from loving to hating to loving it again. After the Hamill fight, all he could talk about was getting his belt back. He flip flops all the time.

[gilla]

Re: Jones v. Rampage - Free on Spike TV in September?

I'd imagine it would draw a lot of attention to the UFC, I imagine they would follow it up with a good PPV the next week which is heavily promoted throughout the Spike TV broadcast.

[ex carrabba fan]

Re: Jones v. Rampage - Free on Spike TV in September?

They put their blood sweat and tears into MMA because they love the sport and it provides them with an income. If a fighter enjoys acting just as much as he does fighting, He's gonna choose the thing that pays him the most which is the least difficult to do. In this case its acting.

I still say no one should take Rampage seriously. He's gone from loving to hating to loving it again. After the Hamill fight, all he could talk about was getting his belt back. He flip flops all the time.

OK honestly I don't even get you said right now. Of course someone's gonna choose acting over fighting if they enjoy acting equally. That's not what I was saying at all.

If Rampage enjoys fighting as equally as acting, cool. Rampage is the type of guy who seems extra disrespectful. That's my main contention. I don't take him seriously at all, and I still feel the way I do.

As I said, I really don't think every MMA fighter would drop everything they're doing now if they could act instead and get more money. Just my opinion.

Anyway, hopefully he can put on an entertaining fight for once.

[jeremym480]

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I don't have a problem with any MMA fighter acting in movies or doing anything else for that matter. However, IMO there's a way a fighter should and shouldn't go about it.

I lost a lot of respect for Rampage during and after coaching The TUF Heavyweight season for a myriad of reasons. The way he treated his and the other teams fighters for one. Two, talking all that trash with Rashad only to dip out on the fight, at the last minute. A fight that was set up for him in his home town might I add. Then, the way he bitched and moaned to the media about the UFC and Dana, etc. His whining about how he deserved a title shot after the BJ/Edgar rematch I believe it was. Lastly, his lackluster performances in his last few fights. He just doesn't fight with the fire that he used to have IMO.

But, like I said, if he somehow wins I'll be glad because I'm very confident that Rashad will beat him again if we get a Rashad vs. Rampage 2

[ex carrabba fan]

Re: Jones v. Rampage - Free on Spike TV in September?

I feel you on that.

Let me re-iterate. If you offer anyone in any career the chance for more money in a new career, chances are they're gonna accept it. I guess I can't be that naive about this.

However like jeremy said, it's just the way he went about it and the fact that sports are very different from any other career. He has a following and he has fans to try to be loyal to. I'm not saying he owes anyone a damn thing, but he could obviously be a bit more censored when it comes to possible career changes.

But as I said initially, I do understand and I cannot at all hate on someone who wants more money. I guess it's not as black and white of an issue just because of the nature of sports and the entertainment business.

I will bow out of this discussion because I admit that it's tough to rag on someone for wanting more money. Just shut up though Rampage

[aholbert32]

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I don't have a problem with any MMA fighter acting in movies or doing anything else for that matter. However, IMO there's a way a fighter should and shouldn't go about it.

I lost a lot of respect for Rampage during and after coaching The TUF Heavyweight season for a myriad of reasons. The way he treated his and the other teams fighters for one. Two, talking all that trash with Rashad only to dip out on the fight, at the last minute. A fight that was set up for him in his home town might I add. Then, the way he bitched and moaned to the media about the UFC and Dana, etc. His whining about how he deserved a title shot after the BJ/Edgar rematch I believe it was. Lastly, his lackluster performances in his last few fights. He just doesn't fight with the fire that he used to have IMO.

But, like I said, if he somehow wins I'll be glad because I'm very confident that Rashad will beat him again if we get a Rashad vs. Rampage 2

I cant defend what he did after the TUF season. He was wrong for that. With that said, the fact that he had to fight Evans in the first place for a title shot was kind of ridiculous. The UFC is very consistent when it comes to title shots. Past champions are only required to win one or two fights to get another shot. GSP got a rematch after 1 fight. Penn got an immediate rematch. Lesnar would have received one after his JDS fight if he would have won. Rich Franklin got a shot after two.

Rampage beat Silva and Jardine, was promised a shot and instead of getting a shot a Machida was begged (he says forced) to do TUF and fight Evans for a shot. There has never been a former UFC champion who's been forced to win 4 out of 5 before receiving another shot at the belt. He has every reason to be a little irritated and upset with the UFC.

I disagree with fighting with fire. He knocked out Silva and almost finished Jardine, Evans (remember the beginning of the third rnd) and Hamill. When you get to this level its hard to finish fighters. Look at your boy Rashad. Since the Machida loss, he's grinded out decisions against T. Silva and Rampage. In both of those fights he relied solely on his wrestling and nearly was finished in the third round but no one is saying he doesnt fight with fire.

[jeremym480]

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^^ I meant more-so, since his return from acting but, his fight against Hamill was an improvement so, I'll give him that.

As far as Rampage not getting an another shot at the title, when should he have gotten it? After losing to Griffin I'd say that he probably deserved a shot at Machida once he defeated Jardine. However, once Machida and Shogun 1 happened then he automatically got dropped to the #2 contender. I think that he may have deserved the shot at Machida/Shogun 2 winner. However, he chose to go do the movie and IMO, when someone voluntarily takes a year off from the sport then, they should have to work their way back up to a title shot even if it's just one win. After his loss to Rashad, he certainly didn't deserve a title shot. And now he two wins in a row and IMO he does deserve a title shot however, he doesn't deserve on over Rashad but, luckily for Rampage (this time) timing was on his side.

[TheShizNo1]

I can't root for a guy who continually says he'll leave MMA the minute he makes more money acting.

Correct me if I'm wrong and he didn't say that.

But I'm tired of this guy. I'll of course watch him fight anytime he's in the cage, but root for him? Hell no. I used to be a fan of his when Pride was coming over to the US.. but na, dude can go to the ****ing film industry for all I care. GTFO

And before anyone brings up Diaz, at least he wants to scrap period. Diaz is a different story than Rampage.

How can you get mad at a guy for wanting to get the moat financially while he still can?

[TheShizNo1]

I don't have a problem with any MMA fighter acting in movies or doing anything else for that matter. However, IMO there's a way a fighter should and shouldn't go about it.

I lost a lot of respect for Rampage during and after coaching The TUF Heavyweight season for a myriad of reasons. The way he treated his and the other teams fighters for one. Two, talking all that trash with Rashad only to dip out on the fight, at the last minute. A fight that was set up for him in his home town might I add. Then, the way he bitched and moaned to the media about the UFC and Dana, etc. His whining about how he deserved a title shot after the BJ/Edgar rematch I believe it was. Lastly, his lackluster performances in his last few fights. He just doesn't fight with the fire that he used to have IMO.

But, like I said, if he somehow wins I'll be glad because I'm very confident that Rashad will beat him again if we get a Rashad vs. Rampage 2

I agree w/ most of that except him bitching about a rematch. We saw Rua, Machida, and Penn get instant rematches after close title fights. That didn't happen w/ Rampage against Forrest. It should not have taken him what? 3 years to get another title shot. Since that loss, he's lost? 1 time?

[aholbert32]

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^^ I meant more-so, since his return from acting but, his fight against Hamill was an improvement so, I'll give him that.

As far as Rampage not getting an another shot at the title, when should he have gotten it? After losing to Griffin I'd say that he probably deserved a shot at Machida once he defeated Jardine. However, once Machida and Shogun 1 happened then he automatically got dropped to the #2 contender. I think that he may have deserved the shot at Machida/Shogun 2 winner. However, he chose to go do the movie and IMO, when someone voluntarily takes a year off from the sport then, they should have to work their way back up to a title shot even if it's just one win. After his loss to Rashad, he certainly didn't deserve a title shot. And now he two wins in a row and IMO he does deserve a title shot however, he doesn't deserve on over Rashad but, luckily for Rampage (this time) timing was on his side.

He should have gotten it before Rua. Remember he was promised a title shot after the Jardine fight and was supposed to fight the winner of Evans/Machida. The UFC made him do TUF and gave the shot to Rua

[TheShizNo1]

He should have gotten it before Rua. Remember he was promised a title shot after the Jardine fight and was supposed to fight the winner of Evans/Machida. The UFC made him do TUF and gave the shot to Rua

And wasn't that a big reason why he said F it and went to make the movie? Because Dana basically lied to him?

[aholbert32]

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And wasn't that a big reason why he said F it and went to make the movie? Because Dana basically lied to him?

Correct. Whats funny is he was supposed to get the shot at Evans before Machida but was injured in the Jardine fight. The UFC saw the heat that came from their staredown after the Jardine fight and wanted a Rampage/Rashad TUF. Spike wanted it too. So instead of doing a Machida/Rampage fight, they begged Rampage to do TUF. Dont get me wrong. Rampage was paid well to do TUF and he should have been a man of his word and done the Memphis fight.

Still, he was forced to chose between dropping out of the Rashad fight or losing out on a couple of million by passing on the movie. It was a tough choice.

[TheShizNo1]

Correct. Whats funny is he was supposed to get the shot at Evans before Machida but was injured in the Jardine fight. The UFC saw the heat that came from their staredown after the Jardine fight and wanted a Rampage/Rashad TUF. Spike wanted it too. So instead of doing a Machida/Rampage fight, they begged Rampage to do TUF. Dont get me wrong. Rampage was paid well to do TUF and he should have been a man of his word and done the Memphis fight.

Still, he was forced to chose between dropping out of the Rashad fight or losing out on a couple of million by passing on the movie. It was a tough choice.

This is the reason I don't have that big a problem w/ him walking away the way he did. He bettered himself financially, I can't be mad at a man for that, b/c I'm pretty sure we'd all do the same.