Jones v. Rampage - UFC 135- SEPT 24- DENVER

[ex carrabba fan]

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His standup looked really good and his takedown defense looked great. He didnt finish Hamill but Hamill has never been a guy that easy to finish. What else could he have done against Hamill? He dominated that fight from bell to bell.

Regarding his wrestling, he hasnt used that since Pride and his Pride record wasnt exactly stellar. The guy is 8-2 since he left Pride and one of those losses is just as debatable as the Machida win. This all standup version of Rampage has been pretty damn successful.

Regarding the Jones fight, if people think he's gonna take Rampage down and pound him out like he did Vera, Bader and the Janitor, they are wrong. The only person in the UFC thats been able to keep Rampage on his back was Evans and in that fight ring rust and a bad gameplan caused that loss. Everybody expected Rashad to stand with him and I think thats what Rampage prepared for.

Nobody is questioning his resume at all. I'm simply looking at his recent fights and commenting on how he's looked. I would like you to define "his stand up has looked really good", to me it's looked OK, but nothing to raise my eyebrow to. He wildly caught Shad, hit Machida with like one uppercut and didn't really do much to Hammill. IDK.

As far as Hammill specifically, maybe Rampage's hand was really injured, who knows, but I would have thought Rampage could have inflicted more damage. Franklin, Jones and Gustov all destroyed Hammill..

As far as the actual fight, I am going with Jones for certain and I really wouldn't be surprised to see Jones with some dominant positions on the mat. In a 5 round fight we're gonna see it IMO.

Definitely. He also has better takedown defense than all of those 3 names. Everyone is counting out Rampage, which is a mistake.

Everyone is counting him out? That really isn't true at all.

[ex carrabba fan]

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Scratch Franklin from that list, prob not fair to include him, but yeah Hammill wasn't the easiest guy to finish or anything.. we've seen it though a few times and Rampage never seemed to of on the offensive.

The rest of the card looks really meh to me, hopefully they can add one more blockbuster bout.

[aholbert32]

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Nobody is questioning his resume at all. I'm simply looking at his recent fights and commenting on how he's looked. I would like you to define "his stand up has looked really good", to me it's looked OK, but nothing to raise my eyebrow to. He wildly caught Shad, hit Machida with like one uppercut and didn't really do much to Hammill. IDK.

As far as Hammill specifically, maybe Rampage's hand was really injured, who knows, but I would have thought Rampage could have inflicted more damage. Franklin, Jones and Gustov all destroyed Hammill..

As far as the actual fight, I am going with Jones for certain and I really wouldn't be surprised to see Jones with some dominant positions on the mat. In a 5 round fight we're gonna see it IMO.

Everyone is counting him out? That really isn't true at all.

Regarding the Hamill fight, he had Hamill hurt in the 2nd and throughly dominated the entire fight. Without KOing Hamill I don't know how he could have looked better on his feet.

Gustov beat a Hamill that was burnt out, out of shape and who took the fight on 3 weeks notice. The only person on that list who destroyed Hamill was Jones and Jones didn't do that on his feet. He did it with his wrestling.

[aholbert32]

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Scratch Franklin from that list, prob not fair to include him, but yeah Hammill wasn't the easiest guy to finish or anything.. we've seen it though a few times and Rampage never seemed to of on the offensive.

The rest of the card looks really meh to me, hopefully they can add one more blockbuster bout.

Nah the card is set. We are 5 1/2 weeks from the event so I doubt they will add another major fight.

[ex carrabba fan]

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Well I have to assume we'll see a better match than Shogun/Jones. Rampage is gonna get back to his feet or stay on his feet obviously much better than Shogun. Hopefully that means a nasty clinch game and some nasty exchanges.

Rampage is a big enough draw that they could afford it. Oh well I'm just happy for the next several events they're putting on.

[aholbert32]

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Well I have to assume we'll see a better match than Shogun/Jones. Rampage is gonna get back to his feet or stay on his feet obviously much better than Shogun. Hopefully that means a nasty clinch game and some nasty exchanges.

Rampage is a big enough draw that they could afford it. Oh well I'm just happy for the next several events they're putting on.

As a Rampage fan, the clinch is what worries me. Those long limbs in a clinch are more dangerous than his reach during standup.

If we can avoid the injury bug, the next few months are going to be amazing. In 2 1/2 months, all 7 titles will be defended.

[redsrule]

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As a Rampage fan, the clinch is what worries me. Those long limbs in a clinch are more dangerous than his reach during standup.

If we can avoid the injury bug, the next few months are going to be amazing. In 2 1/2 months, all 7 titles will be defended.

Yes, but he doesn't have the knees like Wanderlei does. I think Rampage could get off some nasty uppercuts in the clinch, but his long limbs do help.

[ex carrabba fan]

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This is comedy

Rampage is a certified troll/looney tune

http://sports.yahoo.com/mma/news;_ylt=AqbWsiZyiNxwKtU4qMweIC09Eo14?slug=ki-iole_ufc_jackson_jones_spies_082911

[redsrule]

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Rampage is the best. I hope he wins so bad.

[redsrule]

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http://mmajunkie.com/news/25020/ufc-135s-quinton-jackson-says-hes-rooted-out-jon-jones-spy.mma

[sven]

Re: Jones v. Rampage - UFC 135- SEPT 24- DENVER

I'm not a huge fan of Rampage but he is the lesser of two evils here so I will be pulling for him.

[redsrule]

Re: Jones v. Rampage - UFC 135- SEPT 24- DENVER

UFC 135's Quinton Jackson details how he allegedly rooted out a Jon Jones spy

Just weeks before UFC light-heavyweight champ Jon Jones' first title defense and Quinton Jackson's first opportunity to reclaim his lost title, a behind-the-scenes drama has spilled into the public.

Jackson has accused Jones' camp of infiltrating a private, Denver-area facility where he's sequestered himself in preparation for their headlining fight at UFC 135. He said he's proven there's a spy in his midst.

Jackson (32-8 MMA, 7-2 UFC) and manager Anthony McGann believe Jones (13-1 MMA, 7-1 UFC) is scared to fight and looking for a way out.

Jones' manager, Malki Kawa, denies he's used any underhanded tactics in the buildup to the Sept. 24 pay-per-view event and counters that Jackson is using spying allegations to excuse an imminent loss.

Whatever the case may be, the allegations have added a bizarre twist to the buildup of UFC 135, which takes place at Denver's Pepsi Center.

Dubbed "Spygate" by a report Monday on Yahoo! Sports, the drama unfolded this past past week when Jackson's manager got a call from UFC matchmaker Joe Silva, who was in Rio de Janeiro for UFC 134, asking whether the former champ had injured his hand in training. The original source of the inquiry? Kawa.

The injury, Jackson and McGann said, was fake – a ruse designed to ferret out a leak in his camp. Silva's call, they said, came almost immediately after they circulated the information to the suspected spy, and the wording they used to describe the injury was identical to the UFC matchmaker's words. (A separate hand injury Jackson complained about following his unanimous-decision victory over Matt Hamill at UFC 130 was merely a sprain, McGann said.)

Weeks prior, Jackson said Kawa had bragged to a trusted associate that he knew the inner-workings of the camp.

"As soon as I got enough proof in my head that there was somebody in my camp talking, I faked the injury, and what happened was what I was hoping would happen," Jackson told MMAjunkie.com (www.mmajunkie.com) on Monday. "The dumb person would say something, and we'd find out. And sure enough, four hours later, [Malki] called Joe Silva, and Joe Silva rang my manager."

Before that, Jackson said he wasn't sure whether it was a spy or the crosstalk common among elite-level fighters, training partners and production crews associated with the UFC. He suspected that someone may have told Rashad Evans of a bad knee injury he sustained in preparation for their fight at UFC 114, where Evans repeatedly targeted the afflicted knee during the fight. Evans told Yahoo! Sports he simply did it because he noticed it caused Jackson discomfort.

Jackson disagreed.

"I know why he was punching me in the knee – because my knee was injured," he said. "It wasn't a coincidence."

When his spying allegations went public, Kawa denied anyone from Jones' camp had been spying and said the call to Silva came after a friend told him Jackson had Tweeted about an injured hand.

Jackson (@Rampage4real) chuckles at that suggestion that Twitter is the source of the information.

"Maybe he meant to say 'text' and not 'Tweet,'" he said. "Do me a favor. Have anybody out there who's on Twitter (go and) search Twitter to see if they can find anything on Twitter with my name on it ... and see if there's any Tweets about me having a hand injury, that I'm out for this upcoming fight because we searched it, and we found nothing.

"Come on. Think about it. If that was on Twitter, that would have been big news. Me pulling out of the fight with Jon Jones? That would have been big news already. So you can just tell that he's lying, he's full of [expletive], and he's dumb."

Kawa today told MMAjunkie.com he didn't want to feed into what he called a "non-story," though he insisted that he heard about Jackson's alleged hand injury through a friend and said the accusations are a smokescreen for problems within his camp.

"I promise to God, I have no spy in that camp," Kawa told Yahoo! Sports. "It's completely and totally untrue. There is nothing to it at all. It’s funny he said that, though, because we've heard he has had old training partners of Jon coming in to work with him.

"We don't care, and it's kind of hilarious he's doing this. But I can guarantee you there is nothing at all that is true about this other than that I called Joe Silva after someone put out a thing on Twitter that 'Rampage' was injured and pulling out. I wanted to know what was up, but it was no more than that."

But Jackson pondered where Kawa had heard about his training partners if there wasn't a spy in the picture. He declined to comment on what actions his camp had taken since the call from Silva, though McGann said training partners from the camp recently have been let go.

"All I will say is that where has the honor gone in fighting?" Jackson asked. "Where has it gone? Where has the respect for battle gone? To me, this shows fear. I don't think the UFC should be involved because I don't really care. I'm just think the fans should know what's going on. I keep it real. I don't pull [expletive] back.

"I just think it shows character. I don't know if Jon Jones has anything to do with it. Who cares. I didn't say Jon Jones called Joe Silva. His manager called. It just makes his client look bad. What your manager does reflects on you as a fighter. I've had managers that have done some stupid [expletive], and it's reflected on me. (They) asked for weird stuff that I didn't ask for. Sometimes, you can't control what your manager does, but it does reflect on you."

Nevertheless, Jackson said the incident has motivated him to train harder for the fight.

"I'm OK with them having a spy in camp," he said. "I'm picturing the spy telling them all the good stuff too, about how hard I'm training and how good I'm looking. Because he should be prepared to get the [expletive] beat out of him, actually."
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[goh]

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“I never heard a thing about it,” Evans said of Jackson’s knee injury. “I heard him talk about it after the fight. I didn’t know about it going into the fight. When I had him against the cage, I kept hitting him in the knee because of how he was reacting, not because anybody told me anything prior.

“When you’re in a fight, you just go for what you can get a reaction from. I’d punch him in the toe if I felt it was bothering him.

C'mon 'Shad. You know better. Even in old school UFC when they allowed low blows they didn't allow that.

Far as the spy...from a logic standpoint it makes no sense. Are they expecting something other than Rampage to come out throwing hooks and uppercuts and trying to clinch to throw more uppercuts or hold him against the cage? Think he's gonna come out throwing Muay Thai leg kicks and knees? Flying armbar? Suddenly learned Judo and has a bunch of throws?

[aholbert32]

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C'mon 'Shad. You know better. Even in old school UFC when they allowed low blows they didn't allow that.

Far as the spy...from a logic standpoint it makes no sense. Are they expecting something other than Rampage to come out throwing hooks and uppercuts and trying to clinch to throw more uppercuts or hold him against the cage? Think he's gonna come out throwing Muay Thai leg kicks and knees? Flying armbar? Suddenly learned Judo and has a bunch of throws?

It makes some sense. Rampage isnt going to all of a sudden start doing flying armbars but if his camp is focusing on takedowns...then thats good information for Jones to know. If Rampage has a bad knee....Jones can gameplan to make it a point to throw more leg kicks than he planned to.

Everybody expects Rampage to stand up and throw bombs and that may be what he plans to do. But if his gameplan is different (like use the wrestling that he used to use in Pride), it helps Jones to know that before entering the cage.

[aholbert32]

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http://youtu.be/w5Beh6fEJVs

Jones/Rampage Trailer!