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  • redsrule
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    • Apr 2010
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    #16
    Re: Overeem Removed From Strikeforce Grand Prix

    Originally posted by Rules
    You brought up his Fedor fight and what you failed to note is that Silva ground and pounded him when it went to the mat. Cormier is a great wrestler no doubt but he still has a long way to go in this sport.

    This fight will go like this:

    Round 1:

    Cormier attempts to constantly take Silva down with little success. Silva will have Cormier's face swollen from the standup.

    Round 2: Cormier will eventually get Silva down but does not have the size or strength to keep him there. Silva will eventually tire him out and ground and pound Cormier where it will end toward the end of this round.


    You are under estimating Silva's abilities on the mat. Werdum struggled to get him down so I don't see Cormier doing any better. This is a mis-match and no I don't think Silva is all that great.........just better than Cormier at this moment in time.
    You are comparing Werdum's takedowns to an Olympic wrestler?
    Silva did GnP Fedor great, I was not denying that, he fought him amazingly.
    How do you expect him to get Cormier down?
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    • redsrule
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      • Apr 2010
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      #17
      Re: Overeem Removed From Strikeforce Grand Prix

      Originally posted by ex carrabba fan
      I'll certainly be cheering for Cormier. Down to earth guy who's gone through a lot. Definitely have to use his speed and quickness as they are advantages in almost any fight he has against heavyweights.

      Hopefully he can stay out of Silva's grasp and bear hugs..

      I just think it'll be one of those fights where experience rules
      Possibly. I want him to win a lot as well. He is one of the wrestlers that isn't boring, plus he is learning a lot from fight to fight. Being at AKA will help him a lot. His problem is being small though, and his chin isn't tested either. I think Cormier is just better than Silva, but his height and weight will help him a lot.
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      • Rules
        Go Irish
        • Jul 2002
        • 3813

        #18
        Re: Overeem Removed From Strikeforce Grand Prix

        Originally posted by redsrule
        You are comparing Werdum's takedowns to an Olympic wrestler?
        Silva did GnP Fedor great, I was not denying that, he fought him amazingly.
        How do you expect him to get Cormier down?
        The same way he got Fedor down. Went down with him and used his strength to get on top. I compared Werdum as he is a more experienced fighter on the ground than Cormier. Again, you are putting too much stock into just a wrestler. Cormier is going to waste all of his energy trying to take him down. Silva has him beat by a mile in the standup game so would it be all that surprising if he knocks him out or rocks him down to the fetal position and then grounds and pounds there? I've watched both fight extensively and I am not seeing how you are missing the obvious.

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        • redsrule
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          • Apr 2010
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          #19
          Re: Overeem Removed From Strikeforce Grand Prix

          Originally posted by Rules
          The same way he got Fedor down. Went down with him and used his strength to get on top. I compared Werdum as he is a more experienced fighter on the ground than Cormier. Again, you are putting too much stock into just a wrestler. Cormier is going to waste all of his energy trying to take him down. Silva has him beat by a mile in the standup game so would it be all that surprising if he knocks him out or rocks him down to the fetal position and then grounds and pounds there? I've watched both fight extensively and I am not seeing how you are missing the obvious.
          I wouldn't say he has him beat by a mile. His standup is obviously a lot more farther along, but Cormier is getting better from fight to fight. He tooled Monson standing up, and decided he didn't wanna try and take him down. I have also seen them both fight a lot, so before the fight happens you shouldn't say I am missing something obvious. Its not like Cormier has a 0% chance to win, say ala Tito-Bader, Werdum-Fedor
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          • Rules
            Go Irish
            • Jul 2002
            • 3813

            #20
            Re: Overeem Removed From Strikeforce Grand Prix

            Originally posted by redsrule
            . Its not like Cormier has a 0% chance to win, say ala Tito-Bader, Werdum-Fedor
            Neither of these fights surprised me. However, if Cormier beats Silva then I will be surprised:wink:

            This fight will go down to size, strength and experience. Cormier lacks all three. Don't get me wrong, I would love to see the upset but just don't think it is going to happen.

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            • redsrule
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              • Apr 2010
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              #21
              Re: Overeem Removed From Strikeforce Grand Prix

              Originally posted by Rules
              Neither of these fights surprised me. However, if Cormier beats Silva then I will be surprised:wink:

              This fight will go down to size, strength and experience. Cormier lacks all three. Don't get me wrong, I would love to see the upset but just don't think it is going to happen.
              He has a lot better chance to win than Werdum and Ortiz did.
              The size thing only helps to a certain extent, but I do think it will be harder for Cormier to get the takedown, but I think he will get him down, or wear SILVA down by hugging him against the cage.
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              • Rules
                Go Irish
                • Jul 2002
                • 3813

                #22
                Re: Overeem Removed From Strikeforce Grand Prix

                Originally posted by redsrule
                He has a lot better chance to win than Werdum and Ortiz did.
                The size thing only helps to a certain extent, but I do think it will be harder for Cormier to get the takedown, but I think he will get him down, or wear SILVA down by hugging him against the cage.
                I don't know the above fighters you listed have been in the sport for many years. Cormier has been on the scene for what about 2 years and Silva for about 5 or so? It is Silva who has the nasty bear hug that weighes down fighters.

                6-04 vs 5-11 (listed) but I think he might be more like 5-09. About a 10 inch reach over Cormier so getting inside is already a problem. About a true 35-40 pound difference in weight and even bigger difference in muscle versus fat weight between the two. Silva will drop down to meet the 265 weigh-in but the sheer size is going to be obvious come fight day. Then Cormier will have to push around and pick up the bigger, stronger fighter all fight long when he isn't exactly in the best of shape? He was in great shape back in his wrestling days but too many cheeseburgers have taken a step or two out of him. Cormier is a wrestler with okay stand up. Silva has the better stand up and BJJ to go with good wrestling.

                The question is........will Cormier be able to get him down, out muscle him and do what?? His only option on the ground is pounding out or lay and pray to out point each round. He does not have any BJJ skills to submit Silva whereas it is the other way around.

                We will see come fight day but I see this as being a one sided fight that will end by the 2nd if not sooner.
                Last edited by Rules; 07-20-2011, 01:15 PM.

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