UFC 220: Miocic vs Ngannou

[GoDucks1224]

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Lmao I knew Stipe was gonna do this. If Francis didn’t get a one hit KO in the first or second round, I knew Stipe would get a decision on him. I wanted Francis to fight Werdum before he got the title fight. I think Werdum would’ve won, and has a better chance of beating Stipe. I like Francis. But he’s unpolished. He’s a power puncher and hasn’t shown too much else.

[WarMMA]

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Ngannou looked like he did against Cisse. Very wild striking technique. Even in the first round. Looked clueless on his back too.

Hype is officially dead. He'll always be fun to watch but he has a ton of holes and now that it's out in the open... I don't see him becoming champion. Unless he progresses a lot in the next few years.

Bring on Cain. Would still favour Stipe but that's the fight.

Yh he definitely did...thought he would have been a bit more composed but he was wild and scary lol. I can definitely see him still becoming a champ though if he can stay a bit more composed when striking and improve off his back and that td defense. He's still a threat, but guys now seen the holes and everybody will be trying to wrestle him now. Definitely wanna see Cain/Stipe now though.

[GoDucks1224]

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That was scary to watch, but Stipe worked his gameplan perfectly and got the job done. He is officially the baddest man on the planet now.

Already was.

[Slickrick_Csc]

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Lmao I knew Stipe was gonna do this. If Francis didn’t get a one hit KO in the first or second round, I knew Stipe would get a decision on him. I wanted Francis to fight Werdum before he got the title fight. I think Werdum would’ve won, and has a better chance of beating Stipe. I like Francis. But he’s unpolished. He’s a power puncher and hasn’t shown too much else.

It was crazy a friend of mine n I were the only ones who knew stipe was gonna win. I thought it was crazy so many ppl were pickin ngannou. Guys like stipe n Cain are kryptonite for guys like ngannou.

The betting odds were f***ing ridiculous dude. Stipe the underdog haha. Insane credit to ngannou he can take a punch but he’s got a lot of work to do in the cardio department.

He’s got a lot of potential but he won’t be champ until he drops some of that muscle. His cardio gonna be his worst enemy. Hoping Cain isn’t his next opponent

[GoDucks1224]

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It was crazy a friend of mine n I were the only ones who knew stipe was gonna win. I thought it was crazy so many ppl were pickin ngannou. Guys like stipe n Cain are kryptonite for guys like ngannou.

The betting odds were f***ing ridiculous dude. Stipe the underdog haha. Insane credit to ngannou he can take a punch but he’s got a lot of work to do in the cardio department.

He’s got a lot of potential but he won’t be champ until he drops some of that muscle. His cardio gonna be his worst enemy. Hoping Cain isn’t his next opponent

Yeah that ish was straight disrespectful. I couldn’t believe Francis was favored by so many analysts, betting sites, etc. I like Ngannou. He’s an awesome story. And I still think he has a future in the UFC for sure. But he has a lot of work to do. He needs to round out his game. The holes in his game just got shown to every heavyweight with a giant spotlight. I kept saying ‘He needs to fight Werdum before he gets a title shot.’ But the hype train rolled so hard downhill after the Reem KO.

[Serengeti1]

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Yh he definitely did...thought he would have been a bit more composed but he was wild and scary lol. I can definitely see him still becoming a champ though if he can stay a bit more composed when striking and improve off his back and that td defense. He's still a threat, but guys now seen the holes and everybody will be trying to wrestle him now. Definitely wanna see Cain/Stipe now though.

Anything is possible I guess. But really bad cardio... the tendency to get way too wild with striking.... having no idea what to do off his back.... those are a lot of holes. Big ones too. The punches he was throwing were some Deontay Wilder ****... only he did it almost the whole fight lol.

The good thing is it's HW and most people suck.... So ya never know I guess lol. If he runs into anyone with a strong chin... He's going to be in trouble. I think Blaydes would probably beat him in a rematch even.

I don't mean to be too harsh on him after one loss but that fight really exposed him. Everyone was saying that he's a waaay different fighter in comparison to the fighter who fought Cisse. Didn't really look that way to me.

[p_rushing]

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Anything is possible I guess. But really bad cardio... the tendency to get way too wild with striking.... having no idea what to do off his back.... those are a lot of holes. Big ones too. The punches he was throwing were some Deontay Wilder ****... only he did it almost the whole fight lol.

The good thing is it's HW and most people suck.... So ya never know I guess lol. If he runs into anyone with a strong chin... He's going to be in trouble. I think Blaydes would probably beat him in a rematch even.

I don't mean to be too harsh on him after one loss but that fight really exposed him. Everyone was saying that he's a waaay different fighter in comparison to the fighter who fought Cisse. Didn't really look that way to me.

He has so much power that he can make up for the shortcomings. For him to win, he needs to either lose muscle weight or the UFC to get some type of cruiserweight class. Then he either gets small or the smaller faster guys go down.

The risk will be can he keep his power and drop 20lbs. If he can't, he becomes even more beatable.

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[Brutus3Ball]

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Miocic is the the goat

[WarMMA]

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Anything is possible I guess. But really bad cardio... the tendency to get way too wild with striking.... having no idea what to do off his back.... those are a lot of holes. Big ones too. The punches he was throwing were some Deontay Wilder ****... only he did it almost the whole fight lol.

The good thing is it's HW and most people suck.... So ya never know I guess lol. If he runs into anyone with a strong chin... He's going to be in trouble. I think Blaydes would probably beat him in a rematch even.

I don't mean to be too harsh on him after one loss but that fight really exposed him. Everyone was saying that he's a waaay different fighter in comparison to the fighter who fought Cisse. Didn't really look that way to me.

Yh he was definitely exposed, but I feel he can improve granted his coaches take note and get him the right help. First off he needs a proper bjj coach...dude literally is lost off his back and just uses strength for everything. Then he needs to get that td defense in check and clean up that striking..stop being so wild. If he can fix and improve those things, he'll be scarier than he is now. But yh definitely thought he had improved from then but he hasn't much at all. His coaches need to fix that, cuz he faces anyone with a chin that has good wrestling and he's gonna have problems.

[Serengeti1]

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Yh he was definitely exposed, but I feel he can improve granted his coaches take note and get him the right help. First off he needs a proper bjj coach...dude literally is lost off his back and just uses strength for everything. Then he needs to get that td defense in check and clean up that striking..stop being so wild. If he can fix and improve those things, he'll be scarier than he is now. But yh definitely thought he had improved from then but he hasn't much at all. His coaches need to fix that, cuz he faces anyone with a chin that has good wrestling and he's gonna have problems.

You've just mentioned half of the MMA game. That's the issue lol. You also forgot cardio.

He's a nightmare for anyone in the first round but yeah. My thing is that the Cisse fight happened 4 years ago and this performance was reminiscent of that one. That's not the best sign. We'll see. I wish him the best and hope he does well. I definitely think he needed a bit of humbling though. He fell into the trap of believing his own hype.

He'll probably always be in the top 15 but I don't see him becoming a champion. Stranger things have happened though and it is the HW division.

[WarMMA]

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You've just mentioned half of the MMA game. That's the issue lol. You also forgot cardio.

He's a nightmare for anyone in the first round but yeah. My thing is that the Cisse fight happened 4 years ago and this performance was reminiscent of that one. That's not the best sign. We'll see. I wish him the best and hope he does well. I definitely think he needed a bit of humbling though. He fell into the trap of believing his own hype.

He'll probably always be in the top 15 but I don't see him becoming a champion. Stranger things have happened though and it is the HW division.

Lol yh half the mma game is a pretty big hole. As far as the cardio he definitely has some issues, but some effects were also due to him being drained from constantly having to work in the grappling also. That was one of the things I was thinking Stipe needed to do and he did it perfectly...made Ngannou work. l'll say his hype was somewhat for good reason as the dude does hit hard as hell, but he needed to realize that everyone wont go down in one punch. If he doesnt improve though he wont be getting to the top no time soon.

[Hiro1]

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Was rooting for Ngannou, it's rare UFC puts their machine behind someone like him. It's usually the people who look like Sage Northcutt and Paige who get the big push. I think a lot of that has to do with Stipe's reluctance to promote himself.

He breaks the record with 3 title defenses, but his decision win does nothing to propel his stardom really.(I don't think he really cares honestly) He needed to end the hype train in spectacular fashion, but instead just goaded it into running out of steam. He can feel disrespected all he wants, but no one cares about him fighting outside a niche of hardcore fans.

Cain needs to do the MMA world a favor and step aside so we can see Stipe vs D.C.


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[TheShizNo1]

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I thought DC said he no longer has a desire to move up?

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[Hiro1]

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I thought DC said he no longer has a desire to move up?

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He's said it multiple times actually, but there's nothing intriguing at LHW for him. People say a Gustafson rematch, but we know how that will end. Last time DCs ego made him stand and bang. Wisdom will ensure he wrestles the Swede in their next bout. Stipe only has a Werdum rematch.


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[Serengeti1]

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He's said it multiple times actually, but there's nothing intriguing at LHW for him. People say a Gustafson rematch, but we know how that will end. Last time DCs ego made him stand and bang. Wisdom will ensure he wrestles the Swede in their next bout. Stipe only has a Werdum rematch.


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Wasn't part of the issue being that the takedown was very hard for him to attain? FightMetric seems to say that he was going for takedowns in the first three but then stopped later on in the fight (http://www.fightmetric.com/fight-det...de8b2c81e91129). Purely from the stats.... It looks like he could have employed a takedown heavy strategy more but it's not like Gus is an easy takedown at all. He's also very good at getting back up once he's taken down. So playing that game with Gus in a five round fight is not a surefire way to victory whatsoever.

I've personally always believed that Gus would beat him in a rematch. DC is only getting older. Gus almost finished him in their last fight. He got tagged repeatedly by Volkan in the first round. Gus is definitely a better boxer than Volkan. The issue for Gus would be keeping DC out of his face and staying out of the clinch. Something Volkan seemed to do pretty successfully in the first round.

I think most fights between DC and Gus would be close. If Jones didn't exist... He'd be the Frazier to the Ali. Rumble being Foreman.

I don't really see DC beating Stipe but I'd love to see it. Sadly, nothing is going to get DC that number 1 spot other than beating Jones imo. A Stipe win would get him damn close but we'd all just say Jones would beat him too most likely.