Does Vince McMahon have some explaining to do?

[GBrushTWood]

Re: Does Vince McMahon have some explaining to do?

I sincerely doubt that McMahon actually goes up to a performer these days and says "Hey Fred, if you'd like to make it in my company, and feed your family, then start shootin up buddy." He may have done this in the past (I don't know), but I highly doubt he does that these days.

What I'm referring to are his actions. I haven't watched in years, but it seems he would only push the massive beast dudes. To me, this is a subtle way of telling his employees: "You see who's at the top? You see who's not at the top? You do the math".

In addition, it's clear that these wrestlers popularity lifespans are extremely short lived. They're all recycleable parts, for the most part. When one of them gets injured, there HAS to be extreme pressure to get back into the ring. To quicken the process, they turn to pain killers, sedatives, or whatever gets them through the pain. I think the nature of their job (24/7/365) just takes a tremendous physical toll, and wears all of them down. There's no set off-season to recuperate and just do nothing. They get injured, spend time recovering, then get thrown back into the fire and get pounded again.
I think it would do them a lot of good to have at least 1 or 2 months where there are no shows at all, but that'll never happen..

[funky_chicken]

Re: Does Vince McMahon have some explaining to do?

I sincerely doubt that McMahon actually goes up to a performer these days and says "Hey Fred, if you'd like to make it in my company, and feed your family, then start shootin up buddy." He may have done this in the past (I don't know), but I highly doubt he does that these days.

I do not think it is as blunt as that. It would be more along the lines of we would like you to be bigger and more defined. How does one do this quickly, by the use of steroids. A person can do it naturally but it takes a very long time.

[SPTO]

Re: Does Vince McMahon have some explaining to do?

I sincerely doubt that McMahon actually goes up to a performer these days and says "Hey Fred, if you'd like to make it in my company, and feed your family, then start shootin up buddy." He may have done this in the past (I don't know), but I highly doubt he does that these days.

Well considering McMahon had a doctor on the payroll that actively gave out steroids in the 80s and early 90s then yes McMahon has been that blunt in the past.

Dr. George Zahorian was a physician who served as ringside physician at WWF shows in Pennsylvania. In 1991, Zahorian was convicted on 12 of 14 counts of selling anabolic steroids to four pro wrestlers and to a college coach. He was sentenced to three years in prison. In his trial, Zahorian testified that he sold steroids to Vince McMahon and to other WWF wrestlers. In November of 1993, McMahon was indicted on charges of possession of anabolic steroids and intent to distribute anabolic steroids. He was eventually acquitted in July of 1994.

courtesty of: Wrestling Life

[EWRMETS]

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McMahon encouraged steroids in the past, but I don't even know if Guerrero ever took steroids. He was addicted to pain killers and alcohol.

[Yosemite Dan]

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McMahon encouraged steroids in the past, but I don't even know if Guerrero ever took steroids. He was addicted to pain killers and alcohol.

One look at Eddie and it's pretty obvious he was a chronic user especially if you compare him to 7 or 8 years ago.

Look at Triple H, the guy became a monster a couple of years ago because he knew it would help his career. Like mentioned you don't have to be told to take roids but you would have to be an idiot to not realize that Vince likes the musclebound freaks. Coincidentally as soon as Triple H married Vince's daughter he lost alot of definition but I'm sure not out of laziness but the security of marrying the boss' daughter gave him the luxery of not having to bulk up to impress Vince. Michaels is a born again Christian which morally probably stops him from taking them, but if you compare him now to 10 years ago....big difference.

Rick Rude, Pillman, Hawk, Davey Boy Smith, Hercules Hernandez, Eddie.... I'm sure I've missed quite a few and I'm also sure that the list will grow extensively the next few years.

[CaptainZombie]

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Rick Rude, Pillman, Hawk, Davey Boy Smith, Hercules Hernandez, Eddie.... I'm sure I've missed quite a few and I'm also sure that the list will grow extensively the next few years.

Each one of those guys was roided out of their minds during the years. It is a shame what these guys do to their bodies in the ring, but they sometimes do even worse outside. Yes, this list will continue to grow.

Look at TNA and ROH, they do have a few guys on their rosters that I think our on roids, but I highly doubt the Jarretts and Dixie Carter walk around telling their superstars to use them.

[stoncold32]

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Rick Rude, Pillman, Hawk, Davey Boy Smith, Hercules Hernandez, Eddie.... I'm sure I've missed quite a few and I'm also sure that the list will grow extensively the next few years.

When I think about about Chris Masters I just shake my head. This kid is only like 22 and look at his body. At the end of the day, is it really worth it? Is it really worth not knowing if you will go to bed and not wake up because of heart failure?

[Brandwin]

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When I think about about Chris Masters I just shake my head. This kid is only like 22 and look at his body. At the end of the day, is it really worth it? Is it really worth not knowing if you will go to bed and not wake up because of heart failure?

Looks like it. Also seems like people want to blame McMahon for them being the idiots and doing it.

I know McMahon isnt a saint...i used to be a huge wrestling freak, but he doesnt hold a gun to their head (although I wouldnt put it past him), he didnt make them choose this as their job..if thats how one has to get over, but doing roids, then the choice is theirs.

If my job told me tomorrow we need some men with better bodies and quickly, so you need to do roids or lose your job I wouldnt be working their anymore.

[jpup]

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For those that are discussing wrestlers and steroids, all of them are on steroids except for those that don't get the pushes. Ric Flair, I would say yes. Edge, for sure. HBK, who knows, but I don't doubt it. Remember that steroids don't necessarily make you larger than an ox. Take a look at the baseball players that have tested positive and this is obvious. In the long run, it doesn't even matter. Each man makes his own decisions and has to answer for all of his actions that he takes. I don't think that "Vince told me to." is going to fly.

After saying this, I wish they could form some kind of union, although I generally don't like unions, because these guys are brutally mistreated and have no insurance of any kind to take care of them when they leave the business. This was their career choice, but in the United States, we generally protect our people from themselves. Whether that is right or wrong is another discussion for a different time and place.

Bautista is injured, he will come back larger than ever and the "cycle" will continue. sadly the WWE is proving, on a smaller scale, of what the sports world is becoming or has become.

[SPTO]

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Ric Flair, I would say yes.

Don't want to pick nits because that's not the purpose of the thread but to say Ric Flair is using steroids again is a bit out there. He admitted to using them in the mid-late 80s and you can definitely see that in some old tape as he was more defined muscularly. He was never an abuser from what I know tho. To think that a 56 year old man is using steroids because of the culture of the business is nuts.....then again look at Vinnie Mac. Let's just say I find it hard to believe Flair is on roids again. I grant you that he's probably on painkillers because of the kind of matches he's participating in these days tho and that's about as bad in the long run.

Anywho just wanted to type that out as Flair is my absolute fave wrestler

[TarHeelMan]

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It was mentioned by Edge's wife after that whole Lita/Matt/Edge controversy that Edge was using roids... Looking at pictures of him less than a couple of years ago and comparing them to now, it's easy to guess that he was a user.

[Gangrel]

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I think the problem is that WWE is the major employer out there, so all these deaths are concentrated around them. If there were 3 or 4 big wrestling companies, then these tragedies would be shared amongst them, but since Vince's show is about the only one in town, everyone works there.

As for Vince, I agree he's an arrogant, selfish, SOB, but I also read that WWE paid for Eddie's rehab, and also kept paying his salary so his family could live back a few years ago. He also was quoted this weekend as saying Eddie's family would "get royalites for life", so he's not as bad as he's made out to be sometimes.

[sirjam]

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I think the problem is that WWE is the major employer out there, so all these deaths are concentrated around them. If there were 3 or 4 big wrestling companies, then these tragedies would be shared amongst them, but since Vince's show is about the only one in town, everyone works there.

As for Vince, I agree he's an arrogant, selfish, SOB, but I also read that WWE paid for Eddie's rehab, and also kept paying his salary so his family could live back a few years ago. He also was quoted this weekend as saying Eddie's family would "get royalites for life", so he's not as bad as he's made out to be sometimes.

Hmmn. Why does the movie "The Devils Advocate" come to mind?

[Vince]

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Michaels is a born again Christian which morally probably stops him from taking them, but if you compare him now to 10 years ago....big difference.

No difference at all. I watched the Wrestlemania vs Brett Hart. HBK looks EXACTLY the same. He's the only big time wrestler who has never done them, I'd say.

And I co-sign on HHH. That guy's thighs were never that massive.

[sputin]

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some of you guys act as if wrestlers just started dropping dead.

the same thing happened in the 80's to wrestlers from different organizations.

curt henning didn't start out in the wwf and neither did ric rude, hell neither did road warrior hawk for that matter. and if anyone believes that they only taking roids when they became employees of the wwf, they're insane.

what about luger? i saw luger as a rookie in florida championship wrestling, same impressive physique way back then.

or what about the death of gentleman chris adams, or jake the junkie roberts, or a pennyless ricky morton. the list goes on and on. tragic tale after tragic tale.


perhaps the entire wrestling industy, past and present wrestlers and promotions, needs to be called to the mat, no pun intended.

but to suggest that vince mcmahon singularly is somehow negligent or has some explaining to do, i just believe that that is ludicrous