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  • DJ
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    • Apr 2003
    • 17756

    #1831
    Re: The OS WWE 'Dirt' Thread

    Originally posted by OSUFan_88
    The lack of star power, the late start to MNF, and the fact that the fanbase has been dwindling are all major reasons.

    CM Punk was the only major star there.

    Which brings me to the next point: The WWE desperately needs a heel that everyone can hate. They have no one right now. People don't like The Miz or ADR, but they aren't massive heels.
    Definitely agree with you on the lack of true main event heels. Miz is great, but he's probably never going to draw. Same thing with Del Rio.

    Sad thing is, WWE's best face is also it's best heel ... CM Punk.
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    • OSUFan_88
      Outback Jesus
      • Jul 2004
      • 25642

      #1832
      Re: The OS WWE 'Dirt' Thread

      Originally posted by DJ
      Definitely agree with you on the lack of true main event heels. Miz is great, but he's probably never going to draw. Same thing with Del Rio.

      Sad thing is, WWE's best face is also it's best heel ... CM Punk.
      Punk, Orton and Cena are all very capable of being main even heels. Something has to give with one of them. It would be stupid to turn Punk again.

      Orton actually would make the most sense. His face turn has been bland and he is becoming largely irrelevant on Smackdown.
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      • DonkeyJote
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        • Jul 2003
        • 9187

        #1833
        Originally posted by OSUFan_88
        Punk, Orton and Cena are all very capable of being main even heels. Something has to give with one of them. It would be stupid to turn Punk again.

        Orton actually would make the most sense. His face turn has been bland and he is becoming largely irrelevant on Smackdown.
        Problem is, you need at least three top faces too. It easier to elevate young guys as heels too, imo.

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        • OSUFan_88
          Outback Jesus
          • Jul 2004
          • 25642

          #1834
          Re: The OS WWE 'Dirt' Thread

          Originally posted by DonkeyJote
          Problem is, you need at least three top faces too. It easier to elevate young guys as heels too, imo.

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          Sheamus, Taker, Rey, and Big Show are all possible replacements while they groom someone.

          Orton is just a bum face right now. Either that or he and Cena need to switch brands. Orton cannot carry Smackdown out of their funk right now.
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          • rangerrick012
            All Star
            • Jan 2010
            • 6201

            #1835
            Re: The OS WWE 'Dirt' Thread

            Originally posted by DJ
            Definitely agree with you on the lack of true main event heels. Miz is great, but he's probably never going to draw. Same thing with Del Rio.

            Sad thing is, WWE's best face is also it's best heel ... CM Punk.
            Punk is way better as a heel than as a face, but I won't even go into that.

            Originally posted by OSUFan_88
            Sheamus, Taker, Rey, and Big Show are all possible replacements while they groom someone.

            Orton is just a bum face right now. Either that or he and Cena need to switch brands. Orton cannot carry Smackdown out of their funk right now.
            Funny since most people say that SD overall has been better than Raw this year and the past few years. Not necessarily saying you're wrong, but there's plenty of good on SD. Even though it doesn't interest you since you say you don't watch it doesn't mean it's bad or that SD overall is in a funk.
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            • OSUFan_88
              Outback Jesus
              • Jul 2004
              • 25642

              #1836
              Re: The OS WWE 'Dirt' Thread

              Originally posted by rangerrick012
              Punk is way better as a heel than as a face, but I won't even go into that.
              Most people are a better heel than face.

              At least Punk still has the chance, and really hasn't changed his character. Plus, he just turned about 3 months ago, way too early to turn him back.

              Orton has become totally bland and lacks any sort of talent to be a legit face. His promos suck as a face, his style sucks as a face, everything about him is awful as a face.

              Of course, Cena could easily be the best heel in the company, but there is no chance in hell the WWE would or should turn him.

              They need to get more legit heels. All their heels are the same damn character. All they do is bitch, complain and lose. How about a dominating heel? How about a heel who doesn't act like Chris Jericho every chance he can get.

              It's astounding how awful their heels are right now. I could make a legit argument that their biggest heel is also their biggest face in John Cena.

              Funny since most people say that SD overall has been better than Raw this year and the past few years. Not necessarily saying you're wrong, but there's plenty of good on SD. Even though it doesn't interest you since you say you don't watch it doesn't mean it's bad or that SD overall is in a funk.
              As far as match quality, it's probably better. But as far as entertaining? No way. But that's basically the whole brand right now, except I don't know what will happen on Raw. Smackdown has spoilers so...there you go.

              But yeah, they need to give me some reason to watch. Right now, it's clear that it is just the B brand. That's why no one buys their tickets to go to the show. There is no one there I HAVE to go and see.
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              • BunnyHardaway
                Banned
                • Nov 2004
                • 15195

                #1837
                Re: The OS WWE 'Dirt' Thread

                Originally posted by rangerrick012
                Punk is way better as a heel than as a face, but I won't even go into that.



                Funny since most people say that SD overall has been better than Raw this year and the past few years. Not necessarily saying you're wrong, but there's plenty of good on SD. Even though it doesn't interest you since you say you don't watch it doesn't mean it's bad or that SD overall is in a funk.
                SmackDown hasn't been as good/better than Raw since 2009.

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                • rangerrick012
                  All Star
                  • Jan 2010
                  • 6201

                  #1838
                  Re: The OS WWE 'Dirt' Thread

                  Originally posted by OSUFan_88
                  Most people are a better heel than face.

                  At least Punk still has the chance, and really hasn't changed his character. Plus, he just turned about 3 months ago, way too early to turn him back.
                  Agreed. Not saying that he should turn. But he's not very likable IMO. I really have nothing concrete, but to me his character (which you say hasn't changed) still seems heelish. I know people think he's the Austin 2.0 or something like that, but he's not Austin. He just seems like a jerk TBH. His character, I mean.

                  I'm not saying he should come out and kiss babies or be a 'Cena 2.0', but he should tweak his character a bit. Also his ringwork as a face sucks. He's a bad babyface in peril, he sucks as a hot tag in tag matches...I guess pretty much everything you say about Orton below is what I think about Punk. Doesn't mean I think he's a bad wrestler, but he's better as a heel.

                  Orton has become totally bland and lacks any sort of talent to be a legit face. His promos suck as a face, his style sucks as a face, everything about him is awful as a face.
                  You're right about Orton. He's better as a heel. But his ring work has gotten better since he turned, the crowd still loves him, and I really don't think they will turn him, especially since they're hinting more than ever at a Cena turn. Turning both him and Orton would leave Punk as the only top face, and I don't think he's ready to carry that load just yet.

                  Of course, Cena could easily be the best heel in the company, but there is no chance in hell the WWE would or should turn him.
                  Could be happening sooner than you think. The Piper's Pit segment was the closest they've come to actually acknoledging the h8ters, and now there's the Cena Sucks shirt they're selling.

                  They need to get more legit heels. All their heels are the same damn character. All they do is bitch, complain and lose. How about a dominating heel? How about a heel who doesn't act like Chris Jericho every chance he can get.
                  100% agree. Let Cody Rhodes be a Dashing, goofy heel, not serious, monontonous Jericho clone. I liked him with the mask, but now without the mask he's just another disposable midcard heel IMO.

                  It pisses me off that they want to make the Miz the same way. Let Miz be the cocky arrogant heel, I don't need to see Miz being all evil and talking like Jericho. Let ADR be an arrogant aristocrat, let him buy people's services, don't make him an angry millionaire who drives expensive cars angrily with a scowl. Let guys be characters and not just cookie cutter evil manipulative heels.

                  And there just was a dominant heel on that show you don't watch.
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                  • TheVinylHippo
                    MVP
                    • Jul 2008
                    • 1007

                    #1839
                    Re: The OS WWE 'Dirt' Thread

                    Originally posted by OSUFan_88
                    The lack of star power, the late start to MNF, and the fact that the fanbase has been dwindling are all major reasons.

                    CM Punk was the only major star there.

                    Which brings me to the next point: The WWE desperately needs a heel that everyone can hate. They have no one right now. People don't like The Miz or ADR, but they aren't massive heels.
                    I think The Miz can be a massive heel if they would let him feud individually with someone again. I'm a Miz mark, though, so I'm biased. I think ADR is good in the ring, but I'm tired of his Orton destiny/JBL mish-mash gimmick.

                    For what it's worth, I don't know if there can be a heel everyone hates anymore, with the influence the internet has on wrestling.

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                    • DonkeyJote
                      All Star
                      • Jul 2003
                      • 9187

                      #1840
                      Sheamus may be able to be a top guy. Rey isn't a top guy. Never has been. He's a #2 on a brand. Taker does one match a year now. On the heel side, they have Ziggler and Rhodes who I think are ready or very close to ready. I personally like Rhodes post mask. I don't think he's a Jericho clone.

                      Speaking of Jericho clones, I don't believe Miz can be that heel you're talking about. I think he can be a super over face, though. I think Swagger could be a main eventer too, especially as a face.

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                      • goh
                        Banned
                        • Aug 2003
                        • 20755

                        #1841
                        Re: The OS WWE 'Dirt' Thread

                        Push Drew.

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                        • DonkeyJote
                          All Star
                          • Jul 2003
                          • 9187

                          #1842
                          Originally posted by goh
                          Push Drew.
                          Why? Dude can wrestle a bit, talk okay, but has no charisma. He can't get over.

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                          • Redacted01
                            Hall Of Fame
                            • Aug 2007
                            • 10316

                            #1843
                            Re: The OS WWE 'Dirt' Thread

                            Originally posted by goh
                            Push Drew.
                            No...... just no. Only a matter of time before he gets his ex-wife's treatment. When was the last time he was on TV? Hell, when was the last time he won and people actually saw it? I think I saw his W-L record back in November and it was 8-25, but not sure if that includes Superstars or not.

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                            • TheShizNo1
                              Asst 2 the Comm Manager
                              • Mar 2007
                              • 26341

                              #1844
                              Originally posted by DonkeyJote

                              Speaking of Jericho clones, I don't believe Miz can be that heel you're talking about. I think he can be a super over face, though. I think Swagger could be a main eventer too, especially as a face.

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                              I'd Miz to stay heel. He was a true heel in the way he handled himself w/ the belt (cheating to win, escaping, etc). He was also great w/ RTruth. I don't think they've unlocked his potential yet.
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                              • TheShizNo1
                                Asst 2 the Comm Manager
                                • Mar 2007
                                • 26341

                                #1845
                                Originally posted by DonkeyJote
                                Why? Dude can wrestle a bit, talk okay, but has no charisma. He can't get over.

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                                Is he on smack down? I don't really watch smack down, not sure I've ever seen this guy wrestle. I saw him on WWE'12 and wondered if the Brian Kendrick dude changed his name and dyed his hair.
                                Originally posted by Mo
                                Just once I'd like to be the one they call a jerk off.
                                Originally posted by Mo
                                You underestimate my laziness
                                Originally posted by Mo
                                **** ya


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