The OS WWE 'Dirt' Thread

[DJ]

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I'd like to wish Randy the worst in his future endeavours...

http://www.lordsofpain.net/news/wwe/BREAKING_NEWS_Randy_Orton_Fails_Wellness_Test.html

Though when Bourne got caught I pointed out the preferential treatment. Gone for 6 months at least.

I don't think WWE could get away with something like that.

[DonkeyJote]

I don't think WWE could get away with something like that.

Why not? It's their own policy, they don't answer to a third party. And they used a loop hole to get out of firing Jeff Hardy. There is no way they're going to fire their second biggest star, failed drug test or not.

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[DJ]

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Why not? It's their own policy, they don't answer to a third party. And they used a loop hole to get out of firing Jeff Hardy. There is no way they're going to fire their second biggest star, failed drug test or not.

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They are publicly-owned, right? It just seems to me that if these rumors are out there, someone owning stock in the company may look into the issue and want to know the real story.

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That would actually make a little more sense than running an angle where a guy with a legit herniated disc gets thrown down a flight of stairs. Obviously I haven't seen the show but I would think if Orton was really hurt there is no way he could take a fall down some stairs.

If the injury is a cover up for a suspension though I'll be SHOCKED if he's not back for Wrestlemania though.

Unless he got hurt being thrown down the stairs. Could they diagnose it that quick?

[BWMe]

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The failed wellness rumor is actually quite believable. They don't have to fire the top guy but still with 6 months out it's kind of a suspension

[soltrain]

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Unless he got hurt being thrown down the stairs. Could they diagnose it that quick?

They said you actually don't see him get thrown down the stairs. You just get the illusion he was thrown down them.

So either he failed a test or was injured beforehand.

[Redacted01]

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1 step closer to ending the brand split. Now Barrett, Sheamus and Rhodes all have no one to feud with (don't count Booker T which is a waste of time if you ask me; way to legitimize the belt). I'd laugh if he moves back to Raw when he returns.

[Santino]

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The failed wellness rumor is actually quite believable. They don't have to fire the top guy but still with 6 months out it's kind of a suspension

Doesn't seem very believable considering the source and how no one credible is reporting it. Even LOP has taken the rumor down.

[rangerrick012]

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Unless he got hurt being thrown down the stairs. Could they diagnose it that quick?

They diagnosed Sin Cara's ruptured patella in about half an hour IIRC.

[rangerrick012]

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1 step closer to ending the brand split. Now Barrett, Sheamus and Rhodes all have no one to feud with (don't count Booker T which is a waste of time if you ask me; way to legitimize the belt). I'd laugh if he moves back to Raw when he returns.

Barrett and Sheamus could feud for the next few months until WM; that buys time to maybe elevate one of them into the main event at WM.

There's guys there they can push - give Ted another shot, repush Riley, maybe that Henry face turn that was rumored. For all intents and purposes the brand split as being true is over - they move guys back and forth so often without even worrying about it, and the Raw Supershow makes everything a cluster**** anyways. I don't know what the big hard on is about ending the brand split, when guys pretty much move freely wherever.

[Redacted01]

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Too many belts is why the brand split isn't over. And only a few guys show up on each show a week. Like I said, on Smackdown last week, Miz and Ziggler were it (and Swagger at the end). They put the same couple of guys and that is it.

We don't need two top champions if everyone is competing against eachother; see what they did to the tag titles for example. With one title, maybe we'd quit seeing the recycling of John Cena as champion every few months as well. Wonder how long before WWE taps out and gives to him again.

[rangerrick012]

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Too many belts is why the brand split isn't over. And only a few guys show up on each show a week. Like I said, on Smackdown last week, Miz and Ziggler were it (and Swagger at the end). They put the same couple of guys and that is it.

We don't need two top champions if everyone is competing against eachother; see what they did to the tag titles for example. With one title, maybe we'd quit seeing the recycling of John Cena as champion every few months as well. Wonder how long before WWE taps out and gives to him again.

Less titles would only mean more recycling of champions, if the Rock/Austin/HHH era was any indication. Not to beat a dead horse, but it's as if people have nostalgic thoughts of how things used to be which aren't rooted in reality. The brand split has done a lot of good, I don't see the need to end it or the clamoring for it to end.

Too many titles? Back then you had the WWF, IC, Euro, Hardcore, and Light Heavyweight along w/ the Tag Titles. Now you have the WWE, WHC, IC, US, and Tag (not counting divas). It's not like there's 10 champions floating around, there's really only 2 main champs for each show, which isn't that many at all. Funny since most people want the Crusierweight title to return.

I guess I'll just agree to disagree with you on this one, I don't know where you get the idea that there's too many titles or that having less titles would mean a greater variety of champs. Cena will get pushed regardless, he's the top guy and the biggest draw in the company by far.

[Redacted01]

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There were more titles, yes, but they were on different levels. The Euro and IC were equivalent for awhile, but if you think the Hardcore was on the same level as those or the IC was on the same level as the WWE, then well, I'll let you go on believing that.

And why would unifying the titles result in more recycling??? You'd have twice as many guys on the level for one title. Right now, you have the same 3 or 4 on each show over and over and over. Some combination of Cena, Del Rio, Miz and Punk are always in title matches in Raw and for the past few months, it has always been Orton, Henry, Big show, and now Bryan on Smackdown. Thankfully Ziggler is at least getting a shot on Raw, but I bet he falls back down for awhile after that. Having just 1 belt may cut some of the guys out, but there would be a bit more variation.

And nostalgia has nothing with it. The brand split is good for travel for house shows, but it has become awful for TV as of late. The excessive number of PPV's came from the brand split; 12 is all they need and I even think that is a bit much, but money will say otherwise. Having only about 15 active superstars per show, and really, only about a dozen singles competitors = repetitiveness (I'm not counting Air Boom, LAX #2, and the Usos as they rarely compete outside of tag matches now).

[DonkeyJote]

Dropping down to one title would be bad for tv as well. We've been down this road before. When the brand split first started, there was just the one champion, and he rotated between shows. It didn't work, so they made the WWE title brand exclusive and created a second title. How would having one title be different this time.

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[rangerrick012]

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And why would unifying the titles result in more recycling??? You'd have twice as many guys on the level for one title. Right now, you have the same 3 or 4 on each show over and over and over. Some combination of Cena, Del Rio, Miz and Punk are always in title matches in Raw and for the past few months, it has always been Orton, Henry, Big show, and now Bryan on Smackdown. Thankfully Ziggler is at least getting a shot on Raw, but I bet he falls back down for awhile after that. Having just 1 belt may cut some of the guys out, but there would be a bit more variation.

You seem to think that having only one title would mean less of Cena in the main event, which couldn't be further from the truth. The top guys are always going to get pushed, just look at the AE and Rock/HHH/Austin always in the title picture somehow.

If anything, having only one main title would push guys like Sheamus, Christian, Ziggler, Barrett even further down the card. Like I said, obviously you don't see it that way, but it's seems illogical to me to think that going from separate shows and 2 main titles to vie for to one 'brand' and one main title would give guys more chances and make Cena and Orton midcarders (I guess?)

WWE's been hit hard by injuries this year, which has also thrown a wrench into things - Edge's retirement, Mysterio's knee, Sin Cara's knee, Christian's ankle, Orton's back, not to mention Taker's being a deadman. They've been put in a tight spot and lost a lot of star power this year, but I don't think that in and of itself is enough to have a knee jerk reaction and end the brand split completely. SD is never going to be on the same level as Raw, and it's clear that WWE doesn't care that it's not, so all the griping about how SD should be moved or go live (even though I might agree w/ some) isn't that prescient in their minds.