The OS WWE 'Dirt' Thread

[ProfessaPackMan]

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Does anybody happen to know what the ratings for Raw were last month and then what they were in December 2011?

Curious to see if they're the same or if there was a diffference.

[bigbob]

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Does anybody happen to know what the ratings for Raw were last month and then what they were in December 2011?

Curious to see if they're the same or if there was a diffference.

December
3rd - 2.55
10th - 2 2.67
17th - 2.87
24th - 2.2
31st - 2.32

January 7th - 3.14

[TracerBullet]

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The only way I would really be upset with The Rock winning the title is if CM Punk is the person to win it back from him.

I personally don't have a problem with it. Just like if The Undertaker came back and wanted a title match, I wouldn't have a problem with it.

But that's just me.

[rdnk]

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December
3rd - 2.55
10th - 2 2.67
17th - 2.87
24th - 2.2
31st - 2.32

January 7th - 3.14

I guess there were lots of people only watching to see the Rock.

[bigbob]

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I guess there were lots of people only watching to see the Rock.

There we're 300,000 more people watching the hour whenever the Rock was on then there was for either of the previous two hours.

[nate1986]

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Rock does draw ratings no question, but i think to put the belt on him is not a smart move given that hes part time, and in regards to the angle with barrett and steamboat i kinda figured richie steamboat was due for a call up, hopefully he dont get the dibiase treatment pushed for a bit and forgotten

I hope the wyatt family gets called up soon, especially bray wyatt hes gone from generic henchman to a very solid gimmick if wwe gets behind it

[goh]

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Yes Tyson Kidd,Sheamus and Ryback are better than The Rock. Brodus Clay,David Otunga and Justin Gabriel are better than The Rock. Vickie Guerreo is better than The Rock. Because The Rock is nothing. The Rock has not contributed to anything in ring for more than 1 day. The Rock doesn't wrestle,therefore anyone that wrestles or entertains even decently and consistantly is better than The Rock. The Rock is better than exactly Great Khali and Randy Orton. That's who The Rock is above. I can understand wanting to bring ratings so I'm not going to stop watching because he has the match though he doesn't deserve it but winning the title is entirely unacceptable.

I've never even heard a Tyson Kidd promo. Last time I heard him talk was in a really funny skit on one of the youtube shows. Doesn't matter if Punk believes it,he's right. Lil Jimmy does get more time than Tyson Kidd. That's not make believe,that's fact. How are they supposed to connect with fans if they're not on the show? How are they supposed to have intresting story lines if they're not given them and "creative" can't come up with anything? Trot them out for meaningless matches on Superstars and that's it. How is that their fault? How are they supposed to do anything with that other than put on a good match? Would you like them to go out,risk getting fired by shooting and coming up with their own story? It's on a taped show,we'd be lucky to see it. In fact you can probably go back about 10-20 pages of this very thread and see a story about an un-named top guy saying the exact same thing backstage to Vince's face. Randy Orton and ADR couldn't connect with fans but they kept shoving them down throats until they did.

I also never said throw the belt on someone. That's exactly what they'd be doing with Rock. I said build someone up to beat Punk. Make it mean something. Not have someone from 10 years ago show up and beat him. They get to hold the belt Rock held anyway. He held them both. All him winning does is waste Punk's reign and apparently puts the belt back on Cena which does exactly nothing for no one. I can tell you whatever ratings Rock would bring would disappear the second Cena won it again if they go through with that. If it turns out Rock or Cena is behind Shield then it'll do something for someone. If Rock got the shot by having a tough match with Ryback it'd be worth something. In the current state it's worthless. I hope kingkilla is right and The Rock knows all this and will refuse to win and point out the utter stupidity of him winning to anyone in WWE that thinks he should. He can win the RR match by DQ or countout. He can have a spot in the EC. But he can't win the title. Especially for the sake of dropping it 3 weeks later to Cena.

Though to put a simple end to this...please walk into a former place of employment of yours from 10 years ago and see if you get the top job.

[Bellsprout]

Ratings don't really matter, so I don't even really like that argument. Their ratings are never going to be what they once were. I just don't think The Rock getting the belt is the best for long-term anything.

They do when you're Vince McMahon and you have advertisers to sell to. No they won't be what they were, but that doesn't mean you don't try to maximize them as much as you can.

Not to mention he's still got a network coming at some point, so you want as many people watching that you could potentially hook into the product as you can get.

[PVarck31]

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There is only one answer to this question. WWE has to do what's best for business. If that means the Rock winning the title then so be it.

I know most of us are wrestling purists, smarks, IWC or whatever, so we care about things like who deserves a push based on their body of work, but the fact is it doesn't always work that way. Ratings are #1 period. Rock drew huge ratings Monday.

I am not saying I agree with putting the belt on Rock, but is it bad on the business end? Absolutely not.

[Redacted01]

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It's not good for business either though when everyone and their mother knows Rock will lose the title at Wrestlemania to Cena... which I hope to God they don't do a rematch after that whole once in a lifetime bit. But from reading, it seems possible that a rematch is in store for the title. Sure, he'll bring in ratings for the next 2 months, and then he's up and gone and you will go back to the status quo. I guess maybe those 2 months could make some of McMahon's money back, but with or without the Rock, Wrestlemania would have sold out. With or without the Rock as champion, Wrestlemania will be sold out.

[DonkeyJote]

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Yes Tyson Kidd,Sheamus and Ryback are better than The Rock. Brodus Clay,David Otunga and Justin Gabriel are better than The Rock. Vickie Guerreo is better than The Rock. Because The Rock is nothing. The Rock has not contributed to anything in ring for more than 1 day. The Rock doesn't wrestle,therefore anyone that wrestles or entertains even decently and consistantly is better than The Rock. The Rock is better than exactly Great Khali and Randy Orton. That's who The Rock is above. I can understand wanting to bring ratings so I'm not going to stop watching because he has the match though he doesn't deserve it but winning the title is entirely unacceptable.

I've never even heard a Tyson Kidd promo. Last time I heard him talk was in a really funny skit on one of the youtube shows. Doesn't matter if Punk believes it,he's right. Lil Jimmy does get more time than Tyson Kidd. That's not make believe,that's fact. How are they supposed to connect with fans if they're not on the show? How are they supposed to have intresting story lines if they're not given them and "creative" can't come up with anything? Trot them out for meaningless matches on Superstars and that's it. How is that their fault? How are they supposed to do anything with that other than put on a good match? Would you like them to go out,risk getting fired by shooting and coming up with their own story? It's on a taped show,we'd be lucky to see it. In fact you can probably go back about 10-20 pages of this very thread and see a story about an un-named top guy saying the exact same thing backstage to Vince's face. Randy Orton and ADR couldn't connect with fans but they kept shoving them down throats until they did.

I also never said throw the belt on someone. That's exactly what they'd be doing with Rock. I said build someone up to beat Punk. Make it mean something. Not have someone from 10 years ago show up and beat him. They get to hold the belt Rock held anyway. He held them both. All him winning does is waste Punk's reign and apparently puts the belt back on Cena which does exactly nothing for no one. I can tell you whatever ratings Rock would bring would disappear the second Cena won it again if they go through with that. If it turns out Rock or Cena is behind Shield then it'll do something for someone. If Rock got the shot by having a tough match with Ryback it'd be worth something. In the current state it's worthless. I hope kingkilla is right and The Rock knows all this and will refuse to win and point out the utter stupidity of him winning to anyone in WWE that thinks he should. He can win the RR match by DQ or countout. He can have a spot in the EC. But he can't win the title. Especially for the sake of dropping it 3 weeks later to Cena.

Though to put a simple end to this...please walk into a former place of employment of yours from 10 years ago and see if you get the top job.

Kidd has cut promos before. Leading into MITB. They weren't good.

As far as The Rock, yep he wrestled one day last year. And that one day had the second highest buyrate for a PPV in WWE history. And he was the reason why. He's the reason why everyone on the card got a bigger payout. He's the reason why 1.2 million people tuned in. Of course you think The Rock sucks. You're the same delusional guy who thinks Orton is the worst guy on the roster and should be fired, when he gets one of the biggest pops in the company. There's never going to be any convincing you. So go ahead, wait for the day Tyson Kidd main events a PPV.

[ChaseB]

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They do when you're Vince McMahon and you have advertisers to sell to. No they won't be what they were, but that doesn't mean you don't try to maximize them as much as you can.

Not to mention he's still got a network coming at some point, so you want as many people watching that you could potentially hook into the product as you can get.

The obsession week to week with ratings is just not how WWE is going to do their big business anymore, that's what I mean. So obsessing over the Nielsen ratings week to week isn't something they really should be doing anymore (and I don't think they honestly do as much these days, which again, is good). Vince is going to make money based on his TV deals these days he signs with networks, more so than on the advertising.

And, again, that doesn't change the fact that if Rock just being there draws ratings, then that should be enough. He doesn't need the belt. Especially not if he's just going to drop it at Mania. How do you put Cena/Rock as the main event for the title and not assume Cena is going to win? I don't see a scenario where that does a bigger buyrate (maybe it does because it's New York), and a situation where Cena doesn't get boo'd so hard after winning.

Kidd has cut promos before. Leading into MITB. They weren't good.

As far as The Rock, yep he wrestled one day last year. And that one day had the second highest buyrate for a PPV in WWE history. And he was the reason why. He's the reason why everyone on the card got a bigger payout. He's the reason why 1.2 million people tuned in. Of course you think The Rock sucks. You're the same delusional guy who thinks Orton is the worst guy on the roster and should be fired, when he gets one of the biggest pops in the company. There's never going to be any convincing you. So go ahead, wait for the day Tyson Kidd main events a PPV.

Just to be clear, I'm not trying to hate on Rock so to speak. I do think his shtick is tired, and the Cena/Rock feud from last year is unforgivable in terms of how bad it was on both sides most of the time, but I'm not unhappy he's back. I just don't get the obsession with him beating Punk and Cena in consecutive years. And, for the record, I didn't get him beating Cena last year -- although now I guess that's become crystal clear why it happened.

[ProfessaPackMan]

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December
3rd - 2.55
10th - 2 2.67
17th - 2.87
24th - 2.2
31st - 2.32

January 7th - 3.14

What about 2011 in the same timeframe?

[ubernoob]

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What about 2011 in the same timeframe?

December 5 - 2.96
December 12 (3 hour RAW) - 2.84
December 19 - 2.9
December 26 - 2.93
January 2 (2012) - 3.11 [I believe this was Jericho's return episode, fwiw]

[bigbob]

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What about 2011 in the same timeframe?

5th 2.96
12th 2.84
19th 2.9
26th 2.93

They were actually better in 2010 then in 11' and 12'.

6th 3.15
13th 3.06
20th 3.28
27th 3.1