The OS WWE 'Dirt' Thread

[DonkeyJote]

Is Brock back for another year as a part timer? I think the crowd really is in to him and was surprised he wasn't pushed as a big face from the beginning. Would like to see a HHH hand shake or something and him be face for the second year of his deal if he is back again and just destroying people.

Two more years. I think a Brock face turn will happen, but I'm not sure after Mania would be the time

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[Rocky]

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I think WWE is failing to realize that the "tweener" role has always had the biggest potential... Stone Cold, the Rock, Taker, etc were at their best when they were cocky and didn't care about being the "good guy" yet obviously they were. I think Punk and DB have been at their best when they play that role. I think Cena and Orton would immediately thrive again if they would ditch the "I've got to be the GOOD guy and nothing else" road they are on now (the one Cena's been on for forever). As I stated earlier in the thread, Cena's "heel turn" could simply be him becoming that cocky, don't care what you think guy. His promos would instantly become more entertaining. I'm sick of his "I'm doing this for you the fans, I PROMISE to win, I will fight to the death, blah blah blah" promos. They all sound the same. Seriously, take his last 5 feuds and look at all his monologue promos. Basically replace the opponent and you have the same script. That's what needs to change. He needs to start caring more about himself and not so much about the fans, kayfabe. He can still do all the out of the ring stuff and not lose his heelish, cocky character heat in the ring.

See, to me, that's what makes Cena's character so effective. He won't change no matter how many people boo him or how the IWC feels about him. We've seen the "fans don't appreciate me so I'm gonna turn heel" angle so many times before...Bret, Hogan, The Rock, etc., I think Cena's character is refreshing. He won't back down no matter how you feel about him. And let's not act like Cena still has trouble drawing/and putting guys over. Someone mentioned the reactions from Ziggler, Bryan, Punk when facing Cena. They got those reactions, in large part, because of Cena.

[kingkilla56]

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Ive never heard Cena's character described as "refreshing" ever.

[DonkeyJote]

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See, to me, that's what makes Cena's character so effective. He won't change no matter how many people boo him or how the IWC feels about him. We've seen the "fans don't appreciate me so I'm gonna turn heel" angle so many times before...Bret, Hogan, The Rock, etc., I think Cena's character is refreshing. He won't back down no matter how you feel about him. And let's not act like Cena still has trouble drawing/and putting guys over. Someone mentioned the reactions from Ziggler, Bryan, Punk when facing Cena. They got those reactions, in large part, because of Cena.

That's why "the fans hate me so I'll turn on him angle" wouldn't work. But the "I need to beat The Rock no matter what" angle very well could work.

[Greekcian]

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-- The WWE creative team originally pitched an 8-man double ladder match for WrestleMania, which would have seen both the U.S. and Intercontinental Titles on the line. Vince McMahon nixed the idea, with the latest report being that he is not high on Antonio Cesaro.

C'mon Vince...

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Yeah, **** Cesaro... let's push Brodus Clay... again!

[Redacted01]

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-- The WWE creative team originally pitched an 8-man double ladder match for WrestleMania, which would have seen both the U.S. and Intercontinental Titles on the line. Vince McMahon nixed the idea, with the latest report being that he is not high on Antonio Cesaro.

C'mon Vince...

Well look where his "Chosen One" and former IC champion is. Better for Vince to stay away from him, don't you think?

[King_B_Mack]

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I'm not touching The Rock part of the argument because I feel that's a separate unique issue.

I asked you are you serious, b/c to me it's obvious. He's not getting boo'd in arenas b/c he's a heel. HHH, SCSA, The Rock (not Maivia) did not get boo'd as faces. People complain b/c he's been this way for years man. Not a couple years. Freaking yearS. Who says we'd get tires of it? By that line of thinking we should just never worry about changing, b/c we'll eventually get tired of it, right?

DB is still going strong w/ a one (or two) word catch phrase. Taker has been the same forever. Flair was the same. HHH was the same. No changes need to be made if you're entertaining. He's not. Plain and simple. A change may do him some good. New promo material, new feuds, just a different dynamic.

I want to know if guys that are heels don't do the make a wish thing. That's a real sucky excuse.

I think you're pretty wrong here. The difference in those guys are the changes they've made to stay relevant and the small tweaks to their characters along the way. They evolved repeatedly over the years, Cena evolved from clean cut, 'Ruthless Aggression' guy, to white rapper, to never give up Marine and he's been the same ever since. There has been layers to these other guys. Triple H's character has evolved from the Greenwich snob, to a degenerate sophomoric heel, to the bad *** cerebral assassin from the early 2000's to the slick dressing, cocky cowardly heel of Evolution, back to a degenerate, who evolved into a combination of degenerate and bad *** cerebral assassin to the current executive/bad *** that he is now. Undertaker's evolution from unstoppable supernatural force, to cult leader, to biker, to a more vulnerable supernatural creature to his current combination of supernatural creature/MMA fighter has been something that Cena just hasn't done. Cena won the WWE title in 2005 and he stopped rapping then and became what he is right now. There's been no evolution in his character whatsoever since then. None of those guy's went through THAT kind of stagnation of character.

[MachoMyers]

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I don't get that last part. If he isn't high on him why can't he lose the belt?

[TripleCrown9]

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I don't get that last part. If he isn't high on him why can't he lose the belt?

More importantly, why did he sign him?

[Redacted01]

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I don't get that last part. If he isn't high on him why can't he lose the belt?

Because it wouldn't get another guy over, which many of you love so dearly here (like when Cody supposedly made the IC belt relevant again...)

[Bellsprout]

I'm simultaneously with Vince since Cesaro does absolutely nothing for me and angry at him for denying us all an amazing spotfest.

[TheShizNo1]

I think you're pretty wrong here. The difference in those guys are the changes they've made to stay relevant and the small tweaks to their characters along the way. They evolved repeatedly over the years, Cena evolved from clean cut, 'Ruthless Aggression' guy, to white rapper, to never give up Marine and he's been the same ever since. There has been layers to these other guys. Triple H's character has evolved from the Greenwich snob, to a degenerate sophomoric heel, to the bad *** cerebral assassin from the early 2000's to the slick dressing, cocky cowardly heel of Evolution, back to a degenerate, who evolved into a combination of degenerate and bad *** cerebral assassin to the current executive/bad *** that he is now. Undertaker's evolution from unstoppable supernatural force, to cult leader, to biker, to a more vulnerable supernatural creature to his current combination of supernatural creature/MMA fighter has been something that Cena just hasn't done. Cena won the WWE title in 2005 and he stopped rapping then and became what he is right now. There's been no evolution in his character whatsoever since then. None of those guy's went through THAT kind of stagnation of character.

What exactly am I wrong about?

[Greekcian]

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Well look where his "Chosen One" and former IC champion is. Better for Vince to stay away from him, don't you think?

It's more the scrapping of the ladder match. So many exciting spots and finished could be used in that (unification of the belts/ have RhodeScholars in there in stead of the stupid tag team match and have them team up to both win a belt). But I guess the risk of the ladder match stealing the spotlight from Rock and Cena was to big to give us an undercard to look forward to...

[King_B_Mack]

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What exactly am I wrong about?

Saying that those guys have been the same. They have evolved their characters a great deal and added different dimensions to their characters to keep them fresh over the course of their careers. Cena on the other hand has added absolutely nothing new to his character since winning his first title back in 2005. They found some way to continue to re-invent themselves while Cena has literally been the exact same the entire time. The only thing that's changed his the color of is shirts and armbands and whether he wears jorts or cargo shorts.