The OS WWE 'Dirt' Thread

[JiggidyJames]

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You cannot say that, he wasn't used right in the E.

No direction for a character, in most cases, falls on the writers and bookers. The declining ring work falls on him. With what he showed up until the start of '06 compared to what he's doing now, "underacheiver" isn't a bad way to put it. Only he can control what he does in the ring, and he hasn't done a good job of that for awhille now.

[DTX3]

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No direction for a character, in most cases, falls on the writers and bookers. The declining ring work falls on him. With what he showed up until the start of '06 compared to what he's doing now, "underacheiver" isn't a bad way to put it. Only he can control what he does in the ring, and he hasn't done a good job of that for awhille now.

Well if he wasn't happy with the way his character was going, i wouldn't be surprised of his lackluster performance in the ring. The E should have atlease sent him to ECW and give him a push there.

[JiggidyJames]

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Well if he wasn't happy with the way his character was going, i wouldn't be surprised of his lackluster performance in the ring.

That tells a lot about his character IRL then, no?

[The GIGGAS]

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That tells a lot about his character IRL then, no?

James makes a good point. You're paid to do the work... don't half-*** it.

[CaptainZombie]

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No direction for a character, in most cases, falls on the writers and bookers. The declining ring work falls on him. With what he showed up until the start of '06 compared to what he's doing now, "underacheiver" isn't a bad way to put it. Only he can control what he does in the ring, and he hasn't done a good job of that for awhille now.

Well if he wasn't happy with the way his character was going, i wouldn't be surprised of his lackluster performance in the ring. The E should have atlease sent him to ECW and give him a push there.

James makes a good point. You're paid to do the work... don't half-*** it.

James makes a good point, but when people start to lose motivation in the work environment, a lot suffers. Who knows what in the world goes on with these guys and what is running through their minds, but I think they are like us normal folks when we aren't happy with our jobs..........performance and motivation levels go down. But, it is no excuse for them or Carlito, because he is ruining his stock unless he goes to Japan or TNA to work on his skills.

[The GIGGAS]

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James makes a good point, but when people start to lose motivation in the work environment, a lot suffers. Who knows what in the world goes on with these guys and what is running through their minds, but I think they are like us normal folks when we aren't happy with our jobs..........performance and motivation levels go down. But, it is no excuse for them or Carlito, because he is ruining his stock unless he goes to Japan or TNA to work on his skills.

If the work suffers, you get fired.

[CaptainZombie]

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If the work suffers, you get fired.

In some places yes, others it can take a while.

[Porschebenz2001]

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You cannot say that, he wasn't used right in the E.

Oh come on. What is used right? Really. They put him in that feud with Flair to try and wake him up. If the guy was good enough he would get a push. That wasn't a feud with HHH. They threw him in there to job because there was no one else for HHH to feud with.

[DXZeke]

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The thing about Athletes is that they forget that they have a career that most of wish we could have. They take it personal if they "job" for 200k-400k per year. WAY MORE than us simpletons will make in 1yrs... in most cases we'll work 4-5yrs just to make their one year salary.

Working for 25-40k with a crap job is a lot harder to digest than a guy like Carlito making a great living having a job that he loses fixed fights. Yes, the goal is to be the best in your career, but it's more so "LUCK" in the Wrestling business that has Stars emerge.

Carlito is decent on the Mic, but he's slow and sloppy in the ring. He's a good mid-card guy, but he's not a World Champion. I see nothing wrong with his size or body, it's just he's got sub-par ring skills. They gave this guy to much to fast. It went to his head. He got an ego (like most young guys that get a huge push). Now he's mad. "Wah wah wah... I lose fixed fights for 200+ per year. My job sucks."

As for guys in the MLB, NFL, NBA, and the NHL that whine about getting shafted in their job... come work a regular 9-5 or Factory job for a week. They'd appreciate what they have a hell of a lot more.

Dump Carlito. Let him go to TNA or Japan and swim in the mid-card sea there.

Some might try and compare this too Christian Cage, but the difference is Christian had both skills in the ring and tremendous mic skills. He got himself over a couple times. The only way Carlito got over was a major push that was too soon.

[DTX3]

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The thing about Athletes is that they forget that they have a career that most of wish we could have. They take it personal if they "job" for 200k-400k per year. WAY MORE than us simpletons will make in 1yrs... in most cases we'll work 4-5yrs just to make their one year salary.

Working for 25-40k with a crap job is a lot harder to digest than a guy like Carlito making a great living having a job that he loses fixed fights. Yes, the goal is to be the best in your career, but it's more so "LUCK" in the Wrestling business that has Stars emerge.

Yeah but theres a difference between us and them. Wrestlers are on the road all year long, no down time. Plus you have to realize how much punishment these guys take every day. The wrestling life isn't all great, theres alot more to it.

[The 24th Letter]

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I think what "we" dont realize that atheletes dont "have it lucky"........they "filled out thier application" (to get to thier respective field), they "met the requirements" (by training, proving thier skills) that were needed to get the job they have....we have the same opportunity to "apply" for those same jobs...

[JiggidyJames]

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Yeah, a wrestler doesn't really have to worry about what someone else is doing. I'll agree with that. But at the same time, the original point remains: STFU and do your damn job.

[Lintyfresh85]

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Some might try and compare this too Christian Cage, but the difference is Christian had both skills in the ring and tremendous mic skills. He got himself over a couple times. The only way Carlito got over was a major push that was too soon.

Carlito will never compare to Christian... at the time of John Cena moving to Raw, Christian was the most over guy (not arguably, but infact WAS) the most over guy... The E dropped the ball and I think that's pretty universally recognized. Carlito on the other hand never got that type of reaction, and he was given things from the start... and never delivered beyond the elimanation chamber (also happens to be Masters best match) and a few other one-offers.

[BoA]

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Yeah, a wrestler doesn't really have to worry about what someone else is doing. I'll agree with that. But at the same time, the original point remains: STFU and do your damn job.

Exactly.

A guy like carlito only has himself to blame. Guys like Jericho and Eddie Guerrero worked their tails off for years, and were given their pushes because the E couldn't ignore the huge fan reactions they were receiving. They basically forced themselves into being bigger stars IMO.

[fpac]

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Carlito will never compare to Christian... at the time of John Cena moving to Raw, Christian was the most over guy (not arguably, but infact WAS) the most over guy... The E dropped the ball and I think that's pretty universally recognized. Carlito on the other hand never got that type of reaction, and he was given things from the start... and never delivered beyond the elimanation chamber (also happens to be Masters best match) and a few other one-offers.

I wasn't watching then, the last I saw of Christian was when he was feuding with Jericho. What exactly happened though and how did they let him get away with being so over?