The OS WWE 'Dirt' Thread

[HealyMonster]

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Do you guys think he would really change the name of Wrestlemania? I mean in order to do what he says he is going to do, I guess it would be a requirement, but, that would be crazy.

[Santino]

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All these terms and codewords will be ancient history once Triple H takes over.

[TheShizNo1]

All these terms and codewords will be ancient history once Triple H takes over.

Why is that?

[CYST2000]

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I think we are seeing a Roman Empire right before our eyes. Vince is obviously losing touch with reality and losing touch with what got him to the dance. Change is always something that should be done at some point, but if he really wanted to change then he should have some sort of open discussion with others within the business to find out where to go.

I think we sometimes forget that the WWF was about to be sold to the highest bidder in the mid-late 90's, and if not for WCW dropping the ball, the WWF would have been the real casualty. From what I understand it was also Vince allowing other creative perspectives to be infused into the product and not some watered-down product that we are seeing today. I really think what has been missing is legitimate title defenses on Raw and Smackdown, plus Smackdown being a recorded show dosen't help the overall product.

I think it is safe to say that the WWE is getting sloppy, and Vince's ego has grown to new and more uncontrollable heights.

[rangerrick012]

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I think we are seeing a Roman Empire right before our eyes. Vince is obviously losing touch with reality and losing touch with what got him to the dance. Change is always something that should be done at some point, but if he really wanted to change then he should have some sort of open discussion with others within the business to find out where to go.

I think we sometimes forget that the WWF was about to be sold to the highest bidder in the mid-late 90's, and if not for WCW dropping the ball, the WWF would have been the real casualty. From what I understand it was also Vince allowing other creative perspectives to be infused into the product and not some watered-down product that we are seeing today. I really think what has been missing is legitimate title defenses on Raw and Smackdown, plus Smackdown being a recorded show dosen't help the overall product.

I think it is safe to say that the WWE is getting sloppy, and Vince's ego has grown to new and more uncontrollable heights.

Fall of a Roman Empire? What company is going to overtake WWE? TNA?

Smackdown has almost always been recorded, every since it debuted. Don't know what it being a 'recorded' show has to do with anything, since that's the way it's always been.

Honestly I don't like the changes either, but in the big picture it's not the end of the world and there's much worse things that WWE could do.

[TheShizNo1]

Raw was taped for a long while. It's how Luger appeared on both shows and how Bishoff always gave results out.

I agree with titles. Titles seem pointless. Tag division is non existent now. W/ E&C, hardys, Dudleys, etc the tag division was def a highlight.

No more factions. Corporation, NoD, DX, Ministry, etc.

Evolving story lines an twist. People disagree about turning Cena heel, but didn't they turn Rock heel at SS when was as popular as he'd been to that point?

As far as storylines, I still say Vince being the higher power was the best evolving storyline ever. It was long and had twist. It branched to Stephanie being abducted, Vince turning heel again, HHH marrying Stephanie, HHH making the ultimate heel turn, and finally Stephanie turning heel making the Hemsley-McMahon era. Priceless.

[rangerrick012]

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As much as I loved the Attitude Era, you have to realize that times change and that we're never going back to that.

[TheShizNo1]

As much as I loved the Attitude Era, you have to realize that times change and that we're never going back to that.

Yes, but read my post again. The only thing that you couldn't have is DX. Everything in my post you could have on tv today.

[Santino]

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As much as I loved the Attitude Era, you have to realize that times change and that we're never going back to that.

The Attitude Era was also geared towards a much bigger and diverse audience than it is currently. The crowds were so huge that guys like the Godfather, Hardcore Holly, and Roaddog were getting pops every night that would rival Cena's comeback at the Royal Rumble. People constantly complain how we need to go back to it but the PG era has put out a lot of great matches and welcomed a new generation of fans.

[TheShizNo1]

Ugh, fellas, stop focusing on the attitude era. I didn't say bring the attitude era back. I picked out things that made that time great that could be on tv today minus DX

[rangerrick012]

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Ugh, fellas, stop focusing on the attitude era. I didn't say bring the attitude era back. I picked out things that made that time great that could be on tv today minus DX

Sorry for misinterpreting your post. I get what you're saying about the storylines being more complex back then. Could those types of storylines work today? Honestly I dunno. I'll just say that people are a lot less patient and a lot more cynical with the product now than they were back then.

[Santino]

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Ugh, fellas, stop focusing on the attitude era. I didn't say bring the attitude era back. I picked out things that made that time great that could be on tv today minus DX

You seem to think that turning your only drawing top face would work in this PG era and it simply would not. Sure, you shock the world, but you lose marketability and piss off your target audience as well as the financial supporters. The Higher Power being Vince was about as anticlimactic as they get. I'm sure the people nowadays will enjoy the Anonymous RAW GM being Vince as well.

[TheShizNo1]

Sorry for misinterpreting your post. I get what you're saying about the storylines being more complex back then. Could those types of storylines work today? Honestly I dunno. I'll just say that people are a lot less patient and a lot more cynical with the product now than they were back then.

The storyline I noted. Go back to it. We thought it was over when Vince revealed himself. Then Stephanie says she won't forget it. On the other side HHH marries her. At the time, 2 diff story lines.

Vince then directs his attention to HHH. Steph in his corner. This also helps put HHH in the main scene as a great heel. At this point, we've forgotten the higher power stuff and steph getting abducted.

Armageddon, HHH goes to hit Vince with the hammer, Steph takes it and unites with HHH. She tells Vince, payback is a B. Brings the higher power stuff full circle.

That also brought the HHH takeover, which turned into the DX takeover leading to The Rock really blowing up as a face and Stone Cold returning at backlash to take DX out.

As you can see, my favorite storyline ever. The transitions were sooooo smooth.

[TheShizNo1]

You seem to think that turning your only drawing top face would work in this PG era and it simply would not. Sure, you shock the world, but you lose marketability and piss off your target audience as well as the financial supporters. The Higher Power being Vince was about as anticlimactic as they get. I'm sure the people nowadays will enjoy the Anonymous RAW GM being Vince as well.

Higher power being Vince was the start of that story line. It was needed and the key element in it. Read my breakdown of it, above.

[Santino]

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I remember it well. Russo is using this storyline again in TNA with Hogan playing the Higher Power leading a supergroup. Russo also had their most marketable face go heel. How's all this working out for them?