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  • adembroski
    49ers
    • Jul 2002
    • 5829

    #46
    Re: Superstar attribute changes

    Originally posted by Steven547
    Thanks for doing these. Always thought it was strange how they figure out the Overalls. I have wrestlers with attributes all under 80, yet they overall is something like 83.

    Anyway, on some of your attributes (I think it was Triple H), I can't mimic your attributes? Some attributes you show are maybe 95 for DUR, but when I try it, the highest I can go is 90....
    I did the rerate outside of the game in a spreadsheet... some of the numbers came out above the weight-class based limits, so I had to adjust down when in the game. I posted the raw, unadjusted numbers. How you fix it is kind of up to your preference. With Triple H, I think I put the extra points into Durability.

    Also, do you have a formula you use to re-rate these? Or is this just a "what I think" kind of rating?
    A straight formula doesn't work... you use a formula to start, then adjust by hand. The new ratings I'm doing are doing away with the formula and basing ratings on their actual performance.
    There are two types of people on OS: Those who disagree with me, and those who agree.

    The first kind is wrong. The second is superfluous.

    The only difference between reality and fiction is that fiction needs to be credible.
    -Mark Twain.

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    • adembroski
      49ers
      • Jul 2002
      • 5829

      #47
      Re: Superstar attribute changes

      This is taking a bit longer than I thought... tough to rate guys individually when you have to go back and watch their matches to get an idea of their style.

      I'm about halfway through RAW right now... I'll post a show at a time. Raw first, Smackdown second, then TNA, then RoH. Got some things to do today so I can't promise I'll have Raw up tonight, but that's what I'm shooting for.
      There are two types of people on OS: Those who disagree with me, and those who agree.

      The first kind is wrong. The second is superfluous.

      The only difference between reality and fiction is that fiction needs to be credible.
      -Mark Twain.

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      • Steven547
        MVP
        • May 2004
        • 3797

        #48
        Re: Superstar attribute changes

        Originally posted by adembroski
        This is taking a bit longer than I thought... tough to rate guys individually when you have to go back and watch their matches to get an idea of their style.

        I'm about halfway through RAW right now... I'll post a show at a time. Raw first, Smackdown second, then TNA, then RoH. Got some things to do today so I can't promise I'll have Raw up tonight, but that's what I'm shooting for.
        Looking forward to it. If there's some way to help, let me know.

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        • adembroski
          49ers
          • Jul 2002
          • 5829

          #49
          Re: Superstar attribute changes

          Originally posted by Steven547
          Looking forward to it. If there's some way to help, let me know.
          The best way to help is, if you're a consistent watcher of WWE, TNA, or RoH, take one brand and "rank" the wrestlers into categories:
          *Main Eventers
          *Upper Midcard (US/IC title guys, main event jobbers and those on the verge)
          *Midcard (those falling from the upper midcard and those on their way to the upper midcard)
          *Lower midcard (make regular apparances, short feuds, are rarely completely burried; like Chavo Guerrero)
          *Curtain pullers (guys that make rare appearances, are only jobbers, guys like Finlay or what Jamie Noble was later in his career).

          This gives me a better starting point to work with. I know wrestling, but I haven't been watching much lately, so I don't know where people are on the card right now.

          Another way you could help is to let me know what these guys use most. I know many guys, obviously... CM Punk is a striker, Jack Swagger is a grappler (to cite the most obvious), but let me know if these guys are mostly strikers, grapplers, submission specialists, etc.. Otherwise I'm spending a lot of time looking up matches and scouting guys.
          There are two types of people on OS: Those who disagree with me, and those who agree.

          The first kind is wrong. The second is superfluous.

          The only difference between reality and fiction is that fiction needs to be credible.
          -Mark Twain.

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          • adembroski
            49ers
            • Jul 2002
            • 5829

            #50
            Re: Superstar attribute changes

            Well, original goal smashed. Didn't work out the way I'd hoped. Kinda starting over... not completely from scratch, but close enough

            The math just didn't fit.
            There are two types of people on OS: Those who disagree with me, and those who agree.

            The first kind is wrong. The second is superfluous.

            The only difference between reality and fiction is that fiction needs to be credible.
            -Mark Twain.

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            • Streets
              Supreme
              • Aug 2004
              • 5787

              #51
              Re: Superstar attribute changes

              Tier 1 (Perpetual Main-Eventers; Headliners, Top Draws)
              John Cena
              Triple H
              Randy Orton
              Batista*
              Shawn Michaels*

              Tier 2 (Main-Eventers that can also work the upper mid-card or step down even lower on the card)
              Chris Jericho*
              CM Punk
              Sheamus
              Wade Barrett
              The Miz

              Tier 3 (Mid-Carders)
              John Morrison
              Ted DiBiase
              R-Truth

              Tier 4 (Lower Card who can step into the mid-card given a good feud)
              Evan Bourne
              Ezekiel Jackson
              Justin Gabriel
              David Otunga
              Tyson Kidd
              DH Smith
              Mark Henry

              Tier 5 (Lower Card/Jobbers)
              Golddust
              William Regal
              Santino Marella
              Vladimir Zozlov
              Zack Ryder
              Yoshi Tatsu
              Primo


              That's probably how I would do it based on card position, though there is obvious wiggle room and most people probably won't agree. But, I figure the more opinions you get the better. By the way, I just use default rosters, but I'm still happy to help!
              Last edited by Streets; 12-02-2010, 01:17 PM.

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              • Streets
                Supreme
                • Aug 2004
                • 5787

                #52
                Re: Superstar attribute changes

                Tier 1
                The Undertaker
                Edge

                Tier 2
                Rey Mysterio
                The Big Show
                Kane
                Jack Swagger

                Tier 3
                Kofi Kingston
                Dolph Ziggler
                Drew McIntyre
                Christian
                Cody Rhodes
                MVP

                Tier 4
                Matt Hardy*
                Shelton Benjamin*

                Tier 5
                Shad Gaspard*
                JTG
                Luke Gallows*
                Vance Archer*
                Finlay
                Chavo Guerrero

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                • adembroski
                  49ers
                  • Jul 2002
                  • 5829

                  #53
                  Re: Superstar attribute changes

                  Thanks, Streets, greatly appreciated. Gives me a starting point.
                  There are two types of people on OS: Those who disagree with me, and those who agree.

                  The first kind is wrong. The second is superfluous.

                  The only difference between reality and fiction is that fiction needs to be credible.
                  -Mark Twain.

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                  • adembroski
                    49ers
                    • Jul 2002
                    • 5829

                    #54
                    Re: Superstar attribute changes

                    If someone could do what Streets did for the guys not on the default rosters in the WWE, plus TNA and RoH, I'd really appreciate it.
                    There are two types of people on OS: Those who disagree with me, and those who agree.

                    The first kind is wrong. The second is superfluous.

                    The only difference between reality and fiction is that fiction needs to be credible.
                    -Mark Twain.

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                    • pimpinpidgeon8
                      MVP
                      • Aug 2005
                      • 1408

                      #55
                      Re: Superstar attribute changes

                      how are these coming?
                      "Hate my game, hate my swagger, my hunger. Hate that I'm a veteran, a champion. Hate that, hate it with all your heart...
                      ...and hate that I'm loved for the exact same reasons."

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                      • adembroski
                        49ers
                        • Jul 2002
                        • 5829

                        #56
                        Re: Superstar attribute changes

                        Originally posted by pimpinpidgeon8
                        how are these coming?
                        Well, the work I did over that vacation came to nothing, and I'm back to work now. I'm doing a bit each day, it's coming. I'll post when I get the default roster done and go from there. Don't know on a timeframe, depends on how many hours I end up working (I don't really have an "off" time, just a start time, I leave when I'm done).

                        Plus there are rumors of a patch that may be released within the month. Not guaranteed, but possible... I don't want to complete the job and have it totally break because of what's patched.
                        There are two types of people on OS: Those who disagree with me, and those who agree.

                        The first kind is wrong. The second is superfluous.

                        The only difference between reality and fiction is that fiction needs to be credible.
                        -Mark Twain.

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                        • Steven547
                          MVP
                          • May 2004
                          • 3797

                          #57
                          Re: Superstar attribute changes

                          Originally posted by adembroski
                          Well, the work I did over that vacation came to nothing, and I'm back to work now. I'm doing a bit each day, it's coming. I'll post when I get the default roster done and go from there. Don't know on a timeframe, depends on how many hours I end up working (I don't really have an "off" time, just a start time, I leave when I'm done).

                          Plus there are rumors of a patch that may be released within the month. Not guaranteed, but possible... I don't want to complete the job and have it totally break because of what's patched.
                          Is that wrestler list you supplied above your final list? I can take a look at it this week. I'm away on business but will be able to look at it (time considering) when I'm at the hotel. I can add comments / suggestions. I'm no wrestling expert, but can try and help anyway I can.

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                          • Steven547
                            MVP
                            • May 2004
                            • 3797

                            #58
                            Re: Superstar attribute changes

                            Sorry took so long. Based on what Streets had posted, I added / modified one or two things... See what you think... hopefully this zip file works.
                            Attached Files

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                            • Steven547
                              MVP
                              • May 2004
                              • 3797

                              #59
                              Re: Superstar attribute changes

                              Any update on these changes?

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                              • jb12780
                                Hall of Fame
                                • Oct 2008
                                • 10665

                                #60
                                Re: Superstar attribute changes

                                Originally posted by Steven547
                                Sorry took so long. Based on what Streets had posted, I added / modified one or two things... See what you think... hopefully this zip file works.
                                Im afraid the zip folder doesnt work.
                                GT:jb12780
                                PSN:jb12780

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