Superstar attribute changes

[Steven547]

Re: Superstar attribute changes

Here's what I did, based on Jukeman's idea to make the matches last longer:

I decreased all Wrestlers Grapples, Strikes, and Submissions. And, based on the who the wrestler was, I increased their Durability rating. Also added resiliency and durability "specials".

Here's is my "key":

If wrestler attribute is 90+ : reduced to 30+ (90 = 30, 95=35)
attribute
90 or 95 = 30 or 35
80 or 85= 20 to 25
70 or 75= 10 or 15
65 or less = 5

This also gives me the flexibility if I find that a certain wrestler still isn't performing according to his "superstar-ness".

The overalls are still pretty good. The Harts are in the high 40's. Undertaker is close to 70..triple H is about 60+....

I've had more kick outs by the CPU.

Update:

Had the best "CPU vs CPU" match I've seen in a long time. It was Undertaker vs Luke Gallows. I'm running a best of 7 to make sure that Undertaker wins most if not all, of those matches. (For "realistic" results) Undertaker won the series 4 - 0.

Anyway, match 3 (extreme rules), majority of the match took place outside the ring...guitars, drinks, bamboo sticks, ring steps...it was all used. Gallows was split open. Eventually Undertaker threw him back in the ring, slammed him down and got the victory. So far, I'm averaging 10 mins per match.

If the "technical" attribute has to do with the wrestlers ability to reverse, then I think for the "lesser" superstars, this needs to be lowered to 50 or below. Luke Gallows has his at 65, but is still a reverse fest. And if they reverse, they can do damage, so lowering this keeps the "Stars" at star level.

Anyway, just some thoughts to throw out there...

[DarthRambo]

Re: Superstar attribute changes

Here's what I did, based on Jukeman's idea to make the matches last longer:

I decreased all Wrestlers Grapples, Strikes, and Submissions. And, based on the who the wrestler was, I increased their Durability rating. Also added resiliency and durability "specials".

Here's is my "key":

If wrestler attribute is 90+ : reduced to 30+ (90 = 30, 95=35)
attribute
90 or 95 = 30 or 35
80 or 85= 20 to 25
70 or 75= 10 or 15
65 or less = 5

This also gives me the flexibility if I find that a certain wrestler still isn't performing according to his "superstar-ness".

The overalls are still pretty good. The Harts are in the high 40's. Undertaker is close to 70..triple H is about 60+....

I've had more kick outs by the CPU.

Update:

Had the best "CPU vs CPU" match I've seen in a long time. It was Undertaker vs Luke Gallows. I'm running a best of 7 to make sure that Undertaker wins most if not all, of those matches. (For "realistic" results) Undertaker won the series 4 - 0.

Anyway, match 3 (extreme rules), majority of the match took place outside the ring...guitars, drinks, bamboo sticks, ring steps...it was all used. Gallows was split open. Eventually Undertaker threw him back in the ring, slammed him down and got the victory. So far, I'm averaging 10 mins per match.

If the "technical" attribute has to do with the wrestlers ability to reverse, then I think for the "lesser" superstars, this needs to be lowered to 50 or below. Luke Gallows has his at 65, but is still a reverse fest. And if they reverse, they can do damage, so lowering this keeps the "Stars" at star level.

Anyway, just some thoughts to throw out there...

Doing this makes all atributes equal to 60 for everything. What am I doing wrong?

[Steven547]

Re: Superstar attribute changes

Not sure what you're doing, but I'm not getting all 60's. Mine vary from low 40's to high low 70's. I'm still making tweaks, but that's the base for me. They needed to allow for 1 pt increments and not 5. With 5, there isn't too much a difference to work with. Either 10 or 15, or 20 or 25, etc.

[DarthRambo]

Re: Superstar attribute changes

Not sure what you're doing, but I'm not getting all 60's. Mine vary from low 40's to high low 70's. I'm still making tweaks, but that's the base for me. They needed to allow for 1 pt increments and not 5. With 5, there isn't too much a difference to work with. Either 10 or 15, or 20 or 25, etc.

I figured it out. I was lowering by 30 or 35 etc..instead of placing the attributes at 30 or 35.

[Steven547]

Re: Superstar attribute changes

ahh..that'll do it. You might wind up changing them some more to get more of a difference between the wrestlers.

[adembroski]

Re: Superstar attribute changes

I've rerated my entire roster purely by expanding the range used. I know a lot of people say drop everything down, but I haven't had any better matches really doing that. So I just go with increasing the range and thus increasing the difference between good and bad.

A couple of examples...

John Cena
Grapple 90
Strike 85
Submission 85
Durability 90
Technique 80
Speed 80
Charisma 90

is changed too...
Grapple 90
Strike 65
Submission 80
Durability 95
Technique 65
Speed 50
Charisma 85

A lower level guy is dropped even further

Zack Ryder
Grapple 70
Strike 70
Submission 70
Durability 70
Technique 75
Speed 85
Charisma 75

becomes
Grapple 30
Strike 30
Submission 50
Durability 35
Technique 45
Speed 80
Charisma 50

Makes a big difference. You'll see squashes when squashes should happen. I find it much more interesting.

[Steven547]

Re: Superstar attribute changes

Same concept I'm trying to do. What works for you, go with it. I put my low just so I have that flexibility to increase ratings as needed. In the long run, you'll get the same results. The big thing for me was increasing the match length.

These adjustments also work great for CPU vs CPU matches. I've watched some LONG matches with these and they were exciting. Of course minus the issues that THQ / Yukes decided to not fix or take out.

I had about a 25 min Ladder match (cpu vs cpu) between Mysterio and Del Rio. They used foreign objects like crazy. It was great.

One thing I might do though, is increase the Foreign Object damage. Right now I think I have it at 3. If you're getting hit by a chair or ladder, you shouldn't jump up so quick.

What are you sliders you are using?

[pimpinpidgeon8]

Re: Superstar attribute changes

I've rerated my entire roster purely by expanding the range used. I know a lot of people say drop everything down, but I haven't had any better matches really doing that. So I just go with increasing the range and thus increasing the difference between good and bad.

A couple of examples...

John Cena
Grapple 90
Strike 85
Submission 85
Durability 90
Technique 80
Speed 80
Charisma 90

is changed too...
Grapple 90
Strike 65
Submission 80
Durability 95
Technique 65
Speed 50
Charisma 85

A lower level guy is dropped even further

Zack Ryder
Grapple 70
Strike 70
Submission 70
Durability 70
Technique 75
Speed 85
Charisma 75

becomes
Grapple 30
Strike 30
Submission 50
Durability 35
Technique 45
Speed 80
Charisma 50

Makes a big difference. You'll see squashes when squashes should happen. I find it much more interesting.

care to post your edits here ... I like this idea much better than lowering everything to like a 30.

[Steven547]

Re: Superstar attribute changes

care to post your edits here ... I like this idea much better than lowering everything to like a 30.

Not everything is lowered to a 30 for me. I started at 5, then had the same concept. I keep the Heavyweights usually with ratings of 30+. DIVAs are all under 10.

A lot of it is subjective. The Rey Mysterios might not have a heavy strike, but would have a higher grapple rating. My idea on starting low with ratings, is that it gives me room to adjust.

If I had Cena at 90 and felt he needed more "strike" power, you can't go much higher. Keeping him around the 20's for strikes, grapples allows for "flex" mode.

But the Durability ratings are usually above 65 to keep the matches longer. To each his own and if something works for you, go for it. But definitely share ideas...it's helping make this game better.

[adembroski]

Re: Superstar attribute changes

care to post your edits here ... I like this idea much better than lowering everything to like a 30.

https://spreadsheets.google.com/ccc?key=0At58crHeGIOpdG9WblhUTk9uOHNyRUU3ZHVhR0ltR0E&hl=en#gid=0

Likely not my final, but where I'm at right now. This was a quick conversion based mostly on the default rosters, I need to do some fine tuning.

[Fiddy]

Re: Superstar attribute changes

says, we dont have permission to look at that spreadsheet

[rolrech]

Re: Superstar attribute changes

Dear Steven

I changed the ratings as you did. The outcome is great! Thanks!

One thing I noticed:

Today I had a submission match Santino vs. Randy Orton. I played with Orton and it took 15+ minutes, 5+ signatures and RKOs to win this. Santino was completly done, but he still kicked out of all submission locks. Because Orton has now a submission rating of 25 this makes sense.

What's your experience with submission matches?

[Steven547]

Re: Superstar attribute changes

Dear Steven

I changed the ratings as you did. The outcome is great! Thanks!

One thing I noticed:

Today I had a submission match Santino vs. Randy Orton. I played with Orton and it took 15+ minutes, 5+ signatures and RKOs to win this. Santino was completly done, but he still kicked out of all submission locks. Because Orton has now a submission rating of 25 this makes sense.

What's your experience with submission matches?

I would lower Santino's durability and also, if you've assigned it to him, take away his "resiliency ability". I only assign the durability and resil abilities to the "Superstars". The advantage of having these attributes start low, is that you can make the adjustments as needed because you have the room for it.

Also, might want to increase Orton's submission then to 30, but remember, that is going to affect other superstars as well. That is why I would concentrate on Santino first.

[adembroski]

Re: Superstar attribute changes

says, we dont have permission to look at that spreadsheet

Fixed 78910

[Fiddy]

Re: Superstar attribute changes

Thanks man. I'll take a look when I get home.