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  • Santino
    MVP
    • Nov 2008
    • 1296

    #76
    Re: Over the Limit 5/22/11

    Orton/Christian is worth checking out, maybe Mysterio/Truth, but that's about it. Cena easily has ten moves he consistently uses. Not having an extensive moveset doesn't make you a bad wrestler anyway, ask Ric Flair.

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    • Cyphre
      Rookie
      • Mar 2008
      • 291

      #77
      Re: Over the Limit 5/22/11

      Originally posted by rangersfan30
      I really cant see the WWE having Rock win although he should because he has more talent in his pinky than Cena has in his whole body
      Really?!?.......Really?!?.......LOL

      Well WM 28 will be in Miami (Rock's hometown) and the SURPRISE will be to surprise fans that thought there was going to be a surprise, but then realize there is no surprise......because WWF or WWE has really had NO surprises since like 1998....when they had to "shock" fans because WCW/NWO was "stealing" their "candy"........

      The worst thing that happened to wrestling was VKM buying out the competition.....after that they lost their competitive "edge"
      MLB: Chicago Cubs
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      GO CUBS GO!...MOVE ON BAYSTARS!

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      • goh
        Banned
        • Aug 2003
        • 20755

        #78
        Re: Over the Limit 5/22/11

        Originally posted by bdolski
        he's in a coma


        5 Moves...gotta give credit where credit is due
        They dropped the coma thing a while ago.

        Nah it's more like 10. 5 on Raw,usually 10-15 on a PPV.

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        • Spongedaddy
          MVP
          • Feb 2006
          • 2030

          #79
          Re: Over the Limit 5/22/11

          Originally posted by goh
          They dropped the coma thing a while ago.

          Nah it's more like 10. 5 on Raw,usually 10-15 on a PPV.
          I don't know why people dump on Cena. It's not his fault that they are using him like the modern day Hogan. He does a good job for his style and does a boatload of charity work. I think he has a good sense of humor and has done some nice spots. I didn't order the PPV cause WM pissed me off so much. However, I remember the Batista I Quit match and I loved the ending.

          I also think that the next WM would be the perfect place for him to turn heel, but right now it seems like that wouldn't matter much. They need better stories. How is the best heel in the business, Punk, working poop programs? How does Mike Cole get prime spots at a PPV????? Oh well. I hear Goldberg may show up at TNA and since I am a mark for Bill I would start watching it if he shows.
          DON'T PANIC

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          • IWantOmarsHead
            Banned
            • Mar 2010
            • 132

            #80
            Re: Over the Limit 5/22/11

            Originally posted by Fiasco West
            Disagree.

            The Attitude era was not like this. This was pretty much a filler PPV. Back in the 90s there was no such thing since WCW was right there pushing WWE to have actual surprises and intrigue going into the next show.
            right. but im not talking about an era. im talking about they handle their top faces. cena and hogan are essentially the same. both are "righteous" and posses super human strength to defy the odds stacked against them. they write the same way for both of these guys, as opposed to the HHH, HBK, stone colds and rocks of the 90s.

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            • IWantOmarsHead
              Banned
              • Mar 2010
              • 132

              #81
              Re: Over the Limit 5/22/11

              Originally posted by Spongedaddy
              I don't know why people dump on Cena. It's not his fault that they are using him like the modern day Hogan. He does a good job for his style and does a boatload of charity work. I think he has a good sense of humor and has done some nice spots.
              my thoughts exactly. if your a wwe fan you better know what youre signing up for. this is the Cena product and it wont likely change anytime soon. we are the minority here, that is to say educated AND passionate about the product. they arent selling to us as much as they are selling to a wider demo that accepts and likes this kind of writing. notice i didnt say cena, i know he is getting more heat from the average fan these days, but i agree with you. i dont have a lot of bad to say about cena and his performance. he is doing as he is told.

              now, if you wanna discuss the BLATANT misuse of punk, or the completely written off, sent to the phantom zone drew mac, then we got another story...

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              • Mercury112491
                All Star
                • Mar 2007
                • 7426

                #82
                Re: Over the Limit 5/22/11

                I think the difference between Hogan and Cena is that Hogan used to sell getting the crap beat outta him a little better. Go back and watch Hogan sell a body slam. Granted it was a bigger move back then but still. Hogan also used the Hulk Up. Which many times began by getting the fans to chant for him while he was in a wear down hold. The Hulk Up was coming from the power of the fans so it was part of the story, part of the character. It was a borderline supernatural ability. Cena just starts to no sell things out of no where. There's no build up to it, there's nothing exciting about it. I dunno what do you guys think.

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                • IWantOmarsHead
                  Banned
                  • Mar 2010
                  • 132

                  #83
                  Re: Over the Limit 5/22/11

                  Originally posted by Mercury112491
                  I think the difference between Hogan and Cena is that Hogan used to sell getting the crap beat outta him a little better. Go back and watch Hogan sell a body slam. Granted it was a bigger move back then but still. Hogan also used the Hulk Up. Which many times began by getting the fans to chant for him while he was in a wear down hold. The Hulk Up was coming from the power of the fans so it was part of the story, part of the character. It was a borderline supernatural ability. Cena just starts to no sell things out of no where. There's no build up to it, there's nothing exciting about it. I dunno what do you guys think.
                  well first things first. hogan was a master salesman! you are right. but i have to say that cena sold very well last night. also, who can sell the **** beatings these days? i cant think of a current one who can. the action is quicker today, so they HAVE to no-sell to a degree. otherwise, we go back to the plodding 80s style.

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                  • Mercury112491
                    All Star
                    • Mar 2007
                    • 7426

                    #84
                    Re: Over the Limit 5/22/11

                    I think a mix of the plodding style with quicker bursts would be better. There was a lot more telling of a story in the ring back in the late 80's early 90's. Which we of course can thank Macho Man for being a big part of that. It's all about the ending's now. The multiple near falls into the reverse finisher into finisher ending. There seems to be more and more wrestlers that don't take the time to make the whole match great instead of just the ending.

                    Also on a side note for Hogan. Let's all remember that there was a reason he became the icon that he is. They didn't just pull a name out of a hat and say you're going to be the face of wrestling. Hogan was a complete package. He had amazing charisma and mic skills, a good unique look, great size, a great salesman(remember he had to carry matches a lot due to the size and age of many of his opponents) and wrestling ability. If you don't believe me on his skill in the ring then go check out some of his matches from Japan where he was dropping enzigurie's left and right.
                    Last edited by Mercury112491; 05-23-2011, 10:45 AM.

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                    • Segagendude
                      Banned
                      • Aug 2008
                      • 7940

                      #85
                      Re: Over the Limit 5/22/11

                      Regarding Hogan:

                      Correct me if I'm wrong, but fans were getting tired of his "say your prayers, eat your vitamins" act after all those years. So what did WCW (brilliantly) do? Gave him the most shocking heel turn in wrestling when he joined NWO and started wearing black. His popularity shot thru the roof. (and so did WCW's).

                      Cena joining Nexus was speculated, but it hasn't happened yet. I think it'd have a similar effect if it happened....JMO.


                      The worst thing that happened to wrestling was VKM buying out the competition.....after that they lost their competitive "edge"
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                      Last edited by Segagendude; 05-23-2011, 11:50 AM.

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                      • GnarlyKing
                        MVP
                        • Jul 2003
                        • 1669

                        #86
                        Re: Over the Limit 5/22/11

                        McMahon really only bought the name and the library. WCW was already dead. If TNT hadn't already cancelled Nitro, Bischoff was going to buy WCW.

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                        • Marino
                          Moderator
                          • Jan 2008
                          • 18113

                          #87
                          Re: Over the Limit 5/22/11

                          Originally posted by Segagendude
                          Regarding Hogan:

                          Correct me if I'm wrong, but fans were getting tired of his "say your prayers, eat your vitamins" act after all those years. So what did WCW (brilliantly) do? Gave him the most shocking heel turn in wrestling when he joined NWO and started wearing black. His popularity shot thru the roof. (and so did WCW's).

                          Cena joining Nexus was speculated, but it hasn't happened yet. I think it'd have a similar effect if it happened....JMO.




                          Sounds like a certain video game.......<!-- / message --><!-- sig -->
                          Have you seen the Rise and Fall of WCW? The best thing for WCW was the was it being bought out, that place was a joke the last 3 years of existance.

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                          • DorneyDave86
                            Banned
                            • Aug 2010
                            • 233

                            #88
                            Re: Over the Limit 5/22/11

                            About the PPV.

                            Christian/Orton was a 4 star match, it was truly great. It looks like Orton has found an almost perfect opponent in Christian. They paced the match so well, using Orton's slow style to ramp up to a frantic finish. I also like how it seems like a possible slow heel turn for Christian, or at least keep the story alive of him chasing that belt back down. Christian's story is the best thing going for the E' right now, you can even tell by the fan's reaction in the live crowd. It's what they care about most.

                            Miz/Cena...I thought it was interesting having the beat down. Saw the stupid ending coming a mile away though. How do you no-sell being tortured for 20 minutes?

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                            • OSUFan_88
                              Outback Jesus
                              • Jul 2004
                              • 25642

                              #89
                              Re: Over the Limit 5/22/11

                              Originally posted by Marino
                              Have you seen the Rise and Fall of WCW? The best thing for WCW was the was it being bought out, that place was a joke the last 3 years of existance.
                              Even though his book sucked overall, I suggest reading Controver$y Create$ Ca$h by Eric Bishoff for the late WCW perspective.

                              You can also see the awful parallels between TNA and WCW too.
                              Too Old To Game Club

                              Urban Meyer is lol.

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                              • Marino
                                Moderator
                                • Jan 2008
                                • 18113

                                #90
                                Re: Over the Limit 5/22/11

                                Originally posted by OSUFan_88
                                Even though his book sucked overall, I suggest reading Controver$y Create$ Ca$h by Eric Bishoff for the late WCW perspective.

                                You can also see the awful parallels between TNA and WCW too.
                                Guarenteed contracts are what killed WCW. How stupid could they have been to give Hall and Nash a contract that if someone gets paid higher than them, they get bumped up to that amount.

                                Just stupid. (Like the PPV last night)

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