Raw 08/22/11... But you already know that!

[OSUFan_88]

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Clipper's Crossface!! R.I.P. Beniot

If there is anyone who should not RIP, it's the Family Killer. Rot in Hell Benoit.

I was waiting for XPac Scott Hall and the new age outlaws to come down the ramp..when Nash said this ain't over

NAO? Don't think you'll ever see NAO. Not a part of the Kliq.

Fantastic raw tonight. Really thought we'd see Pac tonight, he'd draw more heat than Nash. Nash is okay but if we have to watch him damn wrestle...yuck yuck yuck.

[goh]

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I've been thinking..Who has been in move hostile environments then John Cena?..that ecw one night stand and then the Chicago ppv now this one tonight..dudes been in some rough places

Freddie Blassie.

Blassie, perhaps more than anyone before or after, seemed to thrive on gaining the hatred of the fans. With his wild-eyed, crazed look and with his razor-sharp fangs, Blassie attempted to either scare the fans to death or to drive them stark-raving mad. He was always successful at one or the other, often inciting the crowd to riot. On more than one occasion he was attacked by fans and was beaten, choked and even stabbed. In perhaps the greatest gauge of the rage he provoked from the crowds, a mob of irate fans, after one of his appearances, attacked Blassie's brand new Cadillac, turned it over and lit it on fire.

"Classy" Freddie Blassie was universally acknowledged as one of the most hated heels in wrestling history. Freddie really knew how to antagonize the fans -- how to "get heat." Death threats were frequent, enraged fans stabbed him twenty-one times, and he was even doused with acid.

Man ADR was off tonight.

I wasn't paying attention to Swagger/Riley.

Hopefully the tag division will be brought back to respectability. Kofi/Bourne vs. Miz/Truth?

Punk/Cena fantastic again. Until the end. I thought Edge brought out the best (in-ring) Cena possible but Punk has upped that.

[BoricuaMobStar]

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Right right Beniot killed his family. To be honest I forgot. I was just happy to see that move. It was always one of my favorites.

[PVarck31]

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Freddie Blassie.





Man ADR was off tonight.

I wasn't paying attention to Swagger/Riley.

Hopefully the tag division will be brought back to respectability. Kofi/Bourne vs. Miz/Truth?

Punk/Cena fantastic again. Until the end. I thought Edge brought out the best (in-ring) Cena possible but Punk has upped that.

The thing I disagree with in the bold is that I want to see real tag teams. Not guys who have established themselves as singles stars for tag teams. Its just not the way you get the tag team division over imo.

I want to see the Kings of Wrestling, Beer Money, Briscoe bros. maybe the Young Bucks,Uso's. Fortunate sons.(Dibiase bros.) etc.

[goh]

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Of course they have none of that (at least on TV) at the moment.

[soltrain]

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Pretty good RAW. Miz/Truth was a great promo. And boy, they really, really, REALLY want us to think the Tag division is important again. Hopefully after they reestablish the tag titles they move on to the IC and US titles.

[TracerBullet]

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Pretty good RAW. Miz/Truth was a great promo. And boy, they really, really, REALLY want us to think the Tag division is important again. Hopefully after they reestablish the tag titles they move on to the IC and US titles.

It would seem they already are trying with the IC title. US is the only one still not being pushed that hard at the moment.

[rangerrick012]

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The thing I disagree with in the bold is that I want to see real tag teams. Not guys who have established themselves as singles stars for tag teams. Its just not the way you get the tag team division over imo.

I want to see the Kings of Wrestling, Beer Money, Briscoe bros. maybe the Young Bucks,Uso's. Fortunate sons.(Dibiase bros.) etc.

People are always too damn picky...here WWE is trying to actually get the division over and people are still complaining because it's not a 'real' tag team. Ignoring the fact that some of the best tag teams we've seen were singles guys that came together (The Mega Powers, Rated RKO, Jerishow, New Age Outlaws, APA, Brothers of Destruction, to name a few).

I guess I get some of what you're saying about not just having random guys slapped together, but WWE's history of doing this w/ the tag titles is longer than you might think.

It seems like WWE goes through these spells though where they try to get the tag titles more pub. We saw it a few yrs ago when DX feuded w/ JeriShow and Legacy. But you've got to start somewhere. It just irks me when people complain about WWE not doing something, then when they do it they still complain about the most miniscule aspect of it.

[PVarck31]

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People are always too damn picky...here WWE is trying to actually get the division over and people are still complaining because it's not a 'real' tag team. Ignoring the fact that some of the best tag teams we've seen were singles guys that came together (The Mega Powers, Rated RKO, Jerishow, New Age Outlaws, APA, Brothers of Destruction, to name a few).

I guess I get some of what you're saying about not just having random guys slapped together, but WWE's history of doing this w/ the tag titles is longer than you might think.

It seems like WWE goes through these spells though where they try to get the tag titles more pub. We saw it a few yrs ago when DX feuded w/ JeriShow and Legacy. But you've got to start somewhere. It just irks me when people complain about WWE not doing something, then when they do it they still complain about the most miniscule aspect of it.

Sorry for not sharing your opinion, sorry that I IRK you, and sorry that I'm "too damn picky." I'm not complaining about anything. I don't want to see a guy like the Miz who should be strictly a singles wrestler in a tag team. He is better than that, and it would be a step back for him. Once again this is my OPINION, not a complaint.

Also I am not ignoring anything about past tag teams that worked with singles wrestlers. Yes they can work, but putting top guys in a tag team kinda makes the up and coming tag teams look bad. Original tag teams can launch a singles career.

I am sure there are plenty of guys who will agree with me.

[rangerrick012]

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Sorry for not sharing your opinion, sorry that I IRK you, and sorry that I'm "too damn picky." I'm not complaining about anything. I don't want to see a guy like the Miz who should be strictly a singles wrestler in a tag team. He is better than that, and it would be a step back for him. Once again this is my OPINION, not a complaint.

Also I am not ignoring anything about past tag teams that worked with singles wrestlers. Yes they can work, but putting top guys in a tag team kinda makes the up and coming tag teams look bad. Original tag teams can launch a singles career.

I am sure there are plenty of guys who will agree with me.

The thing is...WWE has no up and coming tag teams. There's the Usos and Otunga/McGillicutty, and that's it. The guys you mentioned aren't even signed to WWE. I'm not going at you personally, it is just a difference of opinion. Especially since I usually agree w/ a lot of your views. But I don't get your point on this one, given the fact that everyone from SCSA to Hogan all the way down the line have been top guys used in tag teams at one point or another.

If anything I think it makes the division look stronger, and gives guys like Miz and Truth something to do when they're not in the main event scene. Which goes to another thing - everyone can't be in the main event scene at the same time. You can't have 10 guys fighting for the world title all of the time. Just b/c Miz is in a tag team w/ Truth doesn't make him weak or isn't a step back at all. And like I said, it really isn't holding the tag division back since there really isn't any tag division to speak of right now in the WWE.

[PVarck31]

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The thing is...WWE has no up and coming tag teams. There's the Usos and Otunga/McGillicutty, and that's it. The guys you mentioned aren't even signed to WWE. I'm not going at you personally, it is just a difference of opinion. Especially since I usually agree w/ a lot of your views. But I don't get your point on this one, given the fact that everyone from SCSA to Hogan all the way down the line have been top guys used in tag teams at one point or another.

If anything I think it makes the division look stronger, and gives guys like Miz and Truth something to do when they're not in the main event scene. Which goes to another thing - everyone can't be in the main event scene at the same time. You can't have 10 guys fighting for the world title all of the time. Just b/c Miz is in a tag team w/ Truth doesn't make him weak or isn't a step back at all. And like I said, it really isn't holding the tag division back since there really isn't any tag division to speak of right now in the WWE.

I'm sorry if I took it personal. Bad night. I still disagree with some of your points though. And thats cool. I know not all those guys are signed with wwe. Its kinda like a wishlist kinda thing. Isn't there rumors about the KoW coming to wwe? Anyway. I just like to see guys who are natural tag teams. I miss the days of the Road Warriors, Demolition, and the Rockers.

I just think when they pair guys like Miz and Truth together it feels somewhat forced.

[TimmeH]

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I was stupid and decided to sacrifice sleep to catch up on this on my DVR.

Very up and down show.

Opening segment was off. ADR was bad. Cena and Punk started well, but then it dragged. I liked H's unbiased involvement, which is a rare compliment for H from me.

I'm excited to see the tag titles being made important again. Although King burying Otunga/McGuillicuty kinda sucked.

Speaking of which, I enjoyed King/Cole/JR taking stances for and against certain guys, but King was so bad at his defenses, yet always right. Otunga/McGuillicuty haven't defended the titles in three months? Really? More proof that Smackdown doesn't exist in King's world.

Oh, and JR really needs to be more assertive. He's the best in the group, but the three man booth is killing him.

R Truth and Miz are awesome. I was kinda expecting them to just take out Cena and Punk in the main event to prove their point. I wouldn't be surprised if they get aligned with Punk in an anti-conspiracy team against The Kliq at Survivor Series.

Main event was great. Punk and Cena have great chemistry together. And as they work more together, they keep coming up with counters to previous counters to keep things entertaining. I kind of seen the finish coming, but oh well. Now next week Punk will blame Johnny Ace for the conspiracy, maybe it'll even be revealed to be Ace behind the texts. But in the end, I think it'll be Ace, Stef, HHH, and the rest of the Kliq working against Punk.

Cena's back in a title match. Yawn. I frickin' loved the Cena vs. Punk title feud, and really it's making the whole thing feel unimportant.

Punk wins the title at MITB and is leaving with the title. One week later, Cena's the new interim champ.

Then Punk and Cena fight for the Undisputed Championship. Punk wins, ADR cashes in screwing Punk. Now two weeks later Cena is back on the fast track to the title and Punk seems to be out of the picture.

Oh and one last thing...

I'm not as crazy about the Benoit tragedy as some. I can still watch his prior work for what it is...great wrestling. I see no reason for him to be erased from WWE history. I have seen the crossface used multiple times since the tragedy. HHH and HBK made it their main submissions for the last few years...and Cena pulls it out every once and a great while. But...for Cena to just happen to pull it out in Edmonton(when he rarely ever uses it) just left a bad taste in my mouth. It felt like some lame attempt at a tribute in front of a smarky Canadian crowd, which is the one thing I can't give to Benoit. I'm glad the crowd didn't give it that response, but it still was a bit uncomfortable to me.

All in all, decent Raw. There was enough to keep me interested, but I'm still sick of the lame ways they continue putting Cena in the title picture.

[Chrisksaint]

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Regarding the Benoit tragedy, reason i'm not so anti Benoit as others as well is that I feel the way he became was ultimately due to being in the WWE/WCW as the look they took at his brain revealed a lot concussion wise which I believe it's a shame that he's written off by the WWE even tho he basically gave up his life for the company.

However moving on, decent raw

[Santino]

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Punk yelling "I'm flying!" during the springboard clothesline to Cena was a nice touch.

[ExtremeGamer]

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Thought it was the worst written/booked Raw since the whole CM Punk angle began. Very sloppy on the mic in the beginning (Punk brought it back around with HHH/Nash later, although Nash was still awful). The whole night flowed weird, had ADR/Cena/Punk/HHH out to start the show, then 40 minutes later had HHH/Punk/Nash out.

The main event was so terribly predictable, I mean really, did anyone really think Punk was winning that match and Nash was in a car accident? He's not Matt Hardy, come on.

Now for NOC, it's a complete no buy for me. Cena is in the main event for the 3rd straight PPV (since this angle began, I know it's longer) and he's not losing 3 straight. BUT, I also don't see WWE not having ADR champ going into the October Mexico tour. So who knows, but I know it's not exciting for me as somehow Cena is thrown back into the main event every single time and it's getting old.

The Nash/Punk angle could work, but needs more players. Just HHH/Stephanie/Johnny Ace aren't doing it to keep it rolling.

I'm trusting the writing as for 2 months it's been solid, just last night was off. They are allowed a bad night, just not making next week a repeat.