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  • kingkilla56
    Hall Of Fame
    • Jun 2009
    • 19395

    #16
    Re: Being too critical

    Originally posted by dochalladay32
    Because those numbers do matter. Let's say a group of us here enjoy a feud, but if the ratings drop every single week during that segment, they are going to kill it, rush through it so it's done, or change it. PPV buys nearly killed Survivor Series, but with the new network, hopefully the big 4 will never be touched again (should be the big 5 if not for King of the Ring, but in today's WWE, the tournament would get old fast if it was done yearly). I don't care about them that much, but I can see why people would care.
    My point to this is what can you do about it in the end?

    Im not saying the numbers dont matter. Dont interpret what I said as ratings/sales not mattering at all. I also get your point about feuds and storylines.

    Im saying us analyzing numbers to that extent is pointless since we can't affect the inevitable.

    What we get are smart mark coments like "I wonder when Cena wins the belt off of Daniel Bryan since McMahon's pockets are suffering" "Or is ADR buried since he can't hold viewers interests as champion?"

    Its just not for me.
    Last edited by kingkilla56; 01-05-2012, 08:26 PM.
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    • TheMatrix31
      RF
      • Jul 2002
      • 52918

      #17
      Re: Being too critical

      I get more annoyed with snarky "internet douche" comments overanalyzing and sucking the fun out of everything than I do with ratings/buyrates talk.

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      • IndianBird
        MVP
        • Nov 2004
        • 2909

        #18
        Originally posted by TheMatrix31
        I get more annoyed with snarky "internet douche" comments overanalyzing and sucking the fun out of everything than I do with ratings/buyrates talk.
        I'd say that cover 60% of the wrestling discussion on this board.
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        • rangerrick012
          All Star
          • Jan 2010
          • 6201

          #19
          Re: Being too critical

          I don't get bothered by people who talk about ratings, I get more bothered by people who misinterpret the ratings and use it as a basis for why "X" wrestler sucks. I also get bothered by certain people that use ratings from today not being as high as they were in the past as proof that wrestling is dying or something like that, when like I alluded to there's alot of factors for lower ratings that are just ignored by some of these folks.

          The problem is, a big part of wrestling is objective. There's people that think that Randy Orton sucks, but there's no real metric to base that on. You can say he botches moves or that he sucks on the mic, but there aren't any stats to concretely back those assertions up. Like it or not, there are no stats for most botches, there are no real match ratings outside of objective folks on the internet. A match gets a 5* rating and people think that automatically means no one should dislike it if they're a 'real' wrestling fan.

          So that's when people go to ratings and buyrates to back up their assertions, since wrestling as a 'sport' (which it's not, of course) has no real stats to prove whether someone is good or not outside of ratings and buyrates, and perhaps how much people cheer/boo someone, but even that can be affected by how strongly WWE pushes someone (and piped in cheers/boos on SD)
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          • Streets
            Supreme
            • Aug 2004
            • 5787

            #20
            Re: Being too critical

            Originally posted by kingkilla56
            My point to this is what can you do about it in the end?

            Im not saying the numbers dont matter. Dont interpret what I said as ratings/sales not mattering at all. I also get your point about feuds and storylines.

            Im saying us analyzing numbers to that extent is pointless since we can't affect the inevitable.

            What we get are smart mark coments like "I wonder when Cena wins the belt off of Daniel Bryan since McMahon's pockets are suffering" "Or is ADR buried since he can't hold viewers interests as champion?"

            Its just not for me.
            I think people are misinterpreting what you are saying, but I think I get it. The best example is Cena turning heel. As a fan, I want to see it and might post scenarios in which it might work. Then another poster comes in and brings up merchandise sales for Cena, how he draws in the younger viewers, why keeping him face is "good for business", when you are saying essentially, "who cares". I'd rather talk about what I like and dislike than what is good for business. Is that what you're getting at?

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            • rangerrick012
              All Star
              • Jan 2010
              • 6201

              #21
              Re: Being too critical

              Originally posted by Streets
              I think people are misinterpreting what you are saying, but I think I get it. The best example is Cena turning heel. As a fan, I want to see it and might post scenarios in which it might work. Then another poster comes in and brings up merchandise sales for Cena, how he draws in the younger viewers, why keeping him face is "good for business", when you are saying essentially, "who cares". I'd rather talk about what I like and dislike than what is good for business. Is that what you're getting at?
              I think the question becomes for you personally, where to draw the line for entertainment and business. I admit that sometimes it's hard for me to draw this line, and it's something I'm working on.

              The Cena heel turn thing specifically, since I think I'm one of those posters who mentions merchandising as to why he won't turn heel. I don't think it's wrong to bring that up as a counter argument to people who say it would be good for business to turn Cena heel, when business (IMO) isn't hurting that much w/ Cena as so. Some say people don't pay to go see Cena, but then Cena Sucks T-Shirts sell out, so who's right? That's one occasion when I'd say it's okay to bring up the business side.
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