Raw 01/16/12 - She asked for a new pair of heels,got Swagger & Ziggler action figures

[TheShizNo1]

Him turning complete heel at or right before WM will make he and The Rock's match that much better IMO. Build it slow. Have him snap and then run to Kane for help on trying to handle it. Kane turns him evil and Kane is hated even more.

[rangerrick012]

Re: Raw 01/16/12 - She asked for a new pair of heels,got Swagger & Ziggler action fig

Not saying that Cena will or will not turn heel, but the fact that the guy did bring in more than $100 million in 2010 (and likely just as much if not more in 2011) certainly has to be considered as to whether or not WWE will turn him, even if it's just for the match against The Rock. And the 'Cena Sucks' shirts selling out only puts more revenue into the Cena category.

They are hinting it, but anyone hoping for a complete Cena turn will likely have to wait longer because realistically speaking there's no one close to being the moneymaker that Cena is. And yes I know I'm one of the only ones on here that doesn't despise the guy but just being logical a Cena turn wouldn't make much sense at this point at time.

The Kane-Cena storyline has been great, but ultimately I think a lot of people will be let down when Cena doesn't go uber heel. I could be wrong, and if I am feel free to gloat about it, but I don't think this is the time for Cena to turn.

[BlueNGold]

Re: Raw 01/16/12 - She asked for a new pair of heels,got Swagger & Ziggler action fig

I think the time for Cena to turn is after the match with The Rock.

This is what I'm picturing: Cena wins the match and fans are going nuts as Cena is celebrating. Rock gets back up to his feet and shouts out to Cena, who steps face to face with The Rock again. After a few seconds of build-up to make it look like they might go at it again, Rock and Cena shake hands. The crowd cheers and they do the usual "winner and loser celebrate together" act (a throwback to Rock/Hogan at WM 18), BUT moments later Cena proceeds to throw The Rock up on his shoulders and deliver the AA. Boom, fade to black with Cena standing over Rock as the crowd is in an absolute frenzy.

Of course now that I type all this out, it won't happen.

[TheShizNo1]

Not saying that Cena will or will not turn heel, but the fact that the guy did bring in more than $100 million in 2010 (and likely just as much if not more in 2011) certainly has to be considered as to whether or not WWE will turn him, even if it's just for the match against The Rock. And the 'Cena Sucks' shirts selling out only puts more revenue into the Cena category.

They are hinting it, but anyone hoping for a complete Cena turn will likely have to wait longer because realistically speaking there's no one close to being the moneymaker that Cena is. And yes I know I'm one of the only ones on here that doesn't despise the guy but just being logical a Cena turn wouldn't make much sense at this point at time.

The Kane-Cena storyline has been great, but ultimately I think a lot of people will be let down when Cena doesn't go uber heel. I could be wrong, and if I am feel free to gloat about it, but I don't think this is the time for Cena to turn.

Makes perfect sense. I'm going to kind of ramble here, I hope I don't lose anyone. Building on what I posted before yours, if they decide to tease but keep him a face. Have it come down to a Raw in which lets say Ryder causes Cena to lose a big match by accident. Kane tells Cena to make Ryder pay. Just as Cena is about to crack Ryder in the skull w/ a chair he starts to come to his senses, turns and hits Kane and gives a rise above hate speech.

Would the boo's be more powerful sense they teased at what most of us want? If so, shouldn't heel be the direction they go? We ways compare Hogan and Cena. If done the right way, I believe it can be successfully pulled off. nWo was supposed to be a heel faction, yet, they sold better than the faces.

Again, I get what you're saying and agree the heel turn probably won't happen, but it can be done successfully.

[kingkilla56]

Re: Raw 01/16/12 - She asked for a new pair of heels,got Swagger & Ziggler action fig

I think Heel Cena would do wonders for the WWE.

[Santino]

Re: Raw 01/16/12 - She asked for a new pair of heels,got Swagger & Ziggler action fig

Cena accounts for over 20% of their yearly revenue. The heel turn is too big a risk considering how financially strapped they will be if the network launch doesn't go according to plan.

[TheShizNo1]

Cena accounts for over 20% of their yearly revenue. The heel turn is too big a risk considering how financially strapped they will be if the network launch doesn't go according to plan.

Hogan, Macho Man, HBK, HHH, Flair, Bret Hart, Undertaker. All huge stars at one point that made heel turns during their prime or close to it. Do you really put Cena above them? He can't stay a face on top forever or you end up down a familiar path of WCW.

If he turns heel and it isn't working, it's not like you can't make him a face quickly after. The fans controlled Rock's first heel run and his stardom as a face, stop putting Cena on a pedestal.

[Santino]

Re: Raw 01/16/12 - She asked for a new pair of heels,got Swagger & Ziggler action fig

Hogan, Macho Man, HBK, HHH, Flair, Bret Hart, Undertaker. All huge stars at one point that made heel turns during their prime or close to it. Do you really put Cena above them? He can't stay a face on top forever or you end up down a familiar path of WCW.

If he turns heel and it isn't working, it's not like you can't make him a face quickly after. The fans controlled Rock's first heel run and his stardom as a face, stop putting Cena on a pedestal.

Cena bringing in over 20% of the WWE's revenue isn't me putting him on a pedestal, it's a fact. All the guys you listed also had a top drawing face in the company so it wasn't some huge risk. Cena is now in a class with Hogan, Flair, Austin, and Rock in terms of bringing in money. You don't **** with that.

[TheShizNo1]

Cena bringing in over 20% of the WWE's revenue isn't me putting him on a pedestal, it's a fact. All the guys you listed also had a top drawing face in the company so it wasn't some huge risk. Cena is now in a class with Hogan, Flair, Austin, and Rock in terms of bringing in money. You don't **** with that.

Lol, yet Hogan is huge for his heel turn, Flair was a major heel, I'll give you Austin, even though he joined forces w/ McMahon, and Rock turned into Hollywood Rock. Your point isn't taken to me. There are plenty of guys who can be faces, hell of a lot harder making people hate you than it is to have a guy get cheered for that goes against a hated heel. Hell man, look at Jericho. You throw out the money, yet all those top guys brought huge figures during their heel runs. Again I ask, how is Cena above all of these guys?

EDIT: mind you that Hogan turning could've blown up in Bischoff's face. SCSA joining w/ McMahon could've done the same and bringing The Rock back as Hollywood Rock could've done the same. All of those moves we're risky.

[Santino]

Re: Raw 01/16/12 - She asked for a new pair of heels,got Swagger & Ziggler action fig

Those moves weren't half as risky as killing your cash-cow while you're taking a huge financial risk in the WWE Network project. Flair was the best drawing heel ever. Hogan's drawing power was dwindling in WCW and severely needed a change. Rock had Austin to work with. Austin's heel turn wasn't well-received and it's something he regrets. The whole reason Cena shouldn't turn heel is really simple. Money. 106 million in revenue. Yeah, lets risk that because some people don't like Cena, yet they're brilliant enough to buy a "Cena Sucks" shirt. Cha-ching.

[rangerrick012]

Re: Raw 01/16/12 - She asked for a new pair of heels,got Swagger & Ziggler action fig

Hogan, Macho Man, HBK, HHH, Flair, Bret Hart, Undertaker. All huge stars at one point that made heel turns during their prime or close to it. Do you really put Cena above them? He can't stay a face on top forever or you end up down a familiar path of WCW.

If he turns heel and it isn't working, it's not like you can't make him a face quickly after. The fans controlled Rock's first heel run and his stardom as a face, stop putting Cena on a pedestal.

WWE has no competition, hence the need to turn Cena heel is less than it was in all the situations you mentioned. Of course he can't stay on top forever, no one can, but until there's someone who's on a level of him in all aspects (i.e. from the business side) they're probably not going to turn him.

Don't get me wrong, I'd love to see it just to see how it'd play out. But being realistic I know that it's probably going to be a good while, b/c as long as Cena is still bringing in buckets of money, they're not going to fix what's not broken. Can they tweak his character while keeping him a face? Yeah, and I think you're seeing that right now. But a full blown heel turn won't happen anytime soon IMO.

I know people hate when we bring business up, but it's impossible to ignore the fact that Cena's the breadwinner in the WWE right now. Like I said, I don't necessarily think Cena turning heel would be bad, I actually think it'd be quite entertaining. But it's likely not going to happen anytime soon.

[rangerrick012]

Re: Raw 01/16/12 - She asked for a new pair of heels,got Swagger & Ziggler action fig

Your point isn't taken to me. There are plenty of guys who can be faces, hell of a lot harder making people hate you than it is to have a guy get cheered for that goes against a hated heel.

Nah, a lot of guys agree about how much easier it is to get over as an effective heel than to get over and stay over as a face. Just look at R Truth, all it took for him to go crazy one night and he was bat**** over as a heel.

[TheShizNo1]

Those moves weren't half as risky as killing your cash-cow while you're taking a huge financial risk in the WWE Network project. Flair was the best drawing heel ever. Hogan's drawing power was dwindling in WCW and severely needed a change. Rock had Austin to work with. Austin's heel turn wasn't well-received and it's something he regrets. The whole reason Cena shouldn't turn heel is really simple. Money. 106 million in revenue. Yeah, lets risk that because some people don't like Cena, yet they're brilliant enough to buy a "Cena Sucks" shirt. Cha-ching.

Wait, what?! A change from say your prayers to you guys can stick it? That wasn't risky?! I don't recall the WWE going into debt when any of those guys turned heel. I believe the XFL happened too and WWE seemed fine. CM Punk is available, Miz, Orton, Sheamus, ADR, etc. They have the means and resources to make it work if they wanted. Not sure how you can say Hogan needed a change and not Cena, who's been the same guy for what? 5 years now? WWE will be ok if they turned Cena heel, and like I said, if push comes to shove they can turn him back.

[rangerrick012]

Re: Raw 01/16/12 - She asked for a new pair of heels,got Swagger & Ziggler action fig

Makes perfect sense. I'm going to kind of ramble here, I hope I don't lose anyone. Building on what I posted before yours, if they decide to tease but keep him a face. Have it come down to a Raw in which lets say Ryder causes Cena to lose a big match by accident. Kane tells Cena to make Ryder pay. Just as Cena is about to crack Ryder in the skull w/ a chair he starts to come to his senses, turns and hits Kane and gives a rise above hate speech.

Would the boo's be more powerful sense they teased at what most of us want? If so, shouldn't heel be the direction they go? We ways compare Hogan and Cena. If done the right way, I believe it can be successfully pulled off. nWo was supposed to be a heel faction, yet, they sold better than the faces.

Again, I get what you're saying and agree the heel turn probably won't happen, but it can be done successfully.

All I know is that people have been booing Cena to varying degrees for going on 5 years now, and they still haven't given in and turned him. A Cena turn would likely be entertaining as hell, but again, from the WWE's standpoint is it really a worthwhile risk to take a guy who's bringing in $100 mil a year and change his character completely?

I don't want to make it like I'm saying Cena should never turn, of course when the time comes he will and it will likely be excellent. But at this point in time he's probably not b/c of the money he brings in. Will he after WM? Who knows.

WWE already knows the crowd is going to be 90/10 in favor of the Rock, if not more. They know that having Cena face Rock in Miami is going to get him plenty of heat, and even more if he wins. Will they use that to turn him? Maybe, but I don't think from the business side they're willing to give up on a guy bringing in that much money a year.

[Santino]

Re: Raw 01/16/12 - She asked for a new pair of heels,got Swagger & Ziggler action fig

I know people hate when we bring business up, but it's impossible to ignore the fact that Cena's the breadwinner in the WWE right now. Like I said, I don't necessarily think Cena turning heel would be bad, I actually think it'd be quite entertaining. But it's likely not going to happen anytime soon.

As wrestling fans, we're totally effected by how the business does. If the WWE has a really bad year, the tickets, PPV costs, and merchandise goes up. The production value goes down.

Wait, what?! A change from say your prayers to you guys can stick it? That wasn't risky?! I don't recall the WWE going into debt when any of those guys turned heel. I believe the XFL happened too and WWE seemed fine. CM Punk is available, Miz, Orton, Sheamus, ADR, etc. They have the means and resources to make it work if they wanted. Not sure how you can say Hogan needed a change and not Cena, who's been the same guy for what? 5 years now? WWE will be ok if they turned Cena heel, and like I said, if push comes to shove they can turn him back.

Again, Hogan's drawing power wasn't what it was in WCW as a face. He needed a change. Cena has been the same guy for the past five years yet his numbers only get better and remains one of the top five draws in the past thirty years. I'd give it another year, if his numbers are down, let him turn heel after cheating Taker out of his streak at WrestleMania 29.