Why Dont The "Other" Titles Receive Any Attention???

[TMagic]

So I just went onto Youtube looking to see if the new Smackdown was put up already.

Thats when I stumbled upon a thumbnail with the headline "RAW IS WAR part 7 of 12" with a thumbnail of Kane standing in the middle of the ring with two dudes laid out next to him.

This peaked my curiosity and I decide to check out the clip. It starts off showing a backstage segment of HHH and Steph hightailing it out of the arena in a limo. Then it shows what happened on Smackdown where Edge and Christian Conchairtoed Kane with the ref distracted, giving Christian the victory. They come out poking fun at Kane and this leads up to a tag team match between them and undertaker and Kane for their tag team titles. After the match, they cut to Dean Malenko talking in the ring as the Cruiserweight champion.

My question is where has this gone? In that ONE clip alone, we had the WWE Champion, Tag Team Champions, and Cruiserweight champion all get screen time with the latter two actually getting MIC time and being in RIVALRIES for their titles.

Currently, the US title has nothing going on. Divas has nothing go on. Tag team nothing going on. And there really isnt a fight over the IC Title. Just a thrown together feud between Cody and Show with the title as an afterthought. None of the guys holding titles even get anytime on the mic except Cody but since he's in a feud with Show, he doesnt even make it about the title when he speaks.

Now, titles are just haphazardly passed around. Like Truth/Kofi are having a match with Ziggs/Swagg at OTL. Where did that even come from? Lol

I just miss the days when all those titles used to matter and there were feuds happening with all of them. Been back watching for over a year now after a Rock long hiatus, and this is one of the biggest differences Ive noticed. Im just wondering what has changed between then and now.

[Scruffychicken]

Re: Why Dont The "Other" Titles Receive Any Attention???

I'm in the same boat as you. I stopped watching in 2001 until just after Summerslam last year. It feels like the titles (Other than WWE and WHC) are no more than entrance-attire.

Now that I'm thinking about it, maybe if they went back to scenarios like the one you mentioned, it would also help the mid-cards get more over.

[goh]

Re: Why Dont The "Other" Titles Receive Any Attention???

Because they've got loads of talent and no idea what to do with it,how to get them over or who should be face/heel along with failure to captialize on it when someone actually does get over and people get behind them then sweep it under the rug 3 weeks later.

[soltrain]

Re: Why Dont The "Other" Titles Receive Any Attention???

Because they've got loads of talent and no idea what to do with it,how to get them over or who should be face/heel along with failure to captialize on it when someone actually does get over and people get behind them then sweep it under the rug 3 weeks later.

Who is even the writing team nowadays?

[TMagic]

Because they've got loads of talent and no idea what to do with it,how to get them over or who should be face/heel along with failure to captialize on it when someone actually does get over and people get behind them then sweep it under the rug 3 weeks later.

Thats the thing though. It doesn't even appear that they are trying to get anyone over.

Not many guys get TV time. The only time they get is when they have a match. And half of those matches involve the person jobbing to someone in the main storylines.

Guys like Kofi, McIntyre (however spelled) and Ziggs do not ever talk on the mic or have any backstage segment or storylines/feuds. Yet they are some of the best entertainers in the ring. Miz and Truth are money on the mic, and we barely see them unless they are jobbing. Miz gets some time on the mic, but he pretty much says the same thing everytime because they have nothing for him to do. Truth was freaking hilarious, yet I dont even remember the last time I heard him speak.

Without adequate TV time, how do they expect guys to be over with the crowd. It doesn't even seem like they are trying.

[goh]

Re: Why Dont The "Other" Titles Receive Any Attention???

Ed Koskey Head writer for SmackDown
Kevin Eck Creative Writer
Pat Patterson Creative consultant
Ranjin Singh Head writer for Raw
Tom Cassielo Assistant writer

Stephanie McMahon and Brian Gewirtz are apparently in charge of the longer term angles.

[TheShizNo1]

Remember when someone held the intercontinental title, you could pretty much assume they'd be the world champion in the future?

[Jukeman]

Re: Why Dont The "Other" Titles Receive Any Attention???

Ed Koskey Head writer for SmackDown
Kevin Eck Creative Writer
Pat Patterson Creative consultant
Ranjin Singh Head writer for Raw
Tom Cassielo Assistant writer

Stephanie McMahon and Brian Gewirtz are apparently in charge of the longer term angles.

Those guys need to train in TEW.

[Hooe]

Re: Why Dont The "Other" Titles Receive Any Attention???

The way the WWE operates nowadays, titles don't get wrestlers over; wrestlers get wrestlers over. Titles are an optional accessory, IMO.

To that end, WWE should just retire the tag team titles, as traditionally-booked tag team wrestling in this company is dead.

I disagree that the writing team is terrible, given that I'm more interested in WWE now than I have been in at least a half a decade. At least for my tastes, they are doing something right.

I do agree that there's a lot of talent on the roster right now, probably more than there was during that aforementioned lull in my interest.

[rangerrick012]

Re: Why Dont The "Other" Titles Receive Any Attention???

The way the WWE operates nowadays, titles don't get wrestlers over; wrestlers get wrestlers over. Titles are an optional accessory, IMO.

To that end, WWE should just retire the tag team titles, as traditionally-booked tag team wrestling in this company is dead.

I disagree that the writing team is terrible, given that I'm more interested in WWE now than I have been in at least a half a decade. At least for my tastes, they are doing something right.

I do agree that there's a lot of talent on the roster right now, probably more than there was during that aforementioned lull in my interest.

The problem is, people think everyone should be over all at once, and when someone isn't getting pushed, they **** on the writing team for it. Cody's had a great run in the mid card - feuded with guys like Orton and Show who are former world champs, and has gotten wins off of those guys, which definitely makes him look better, yet people still talk about how the IC title gets no attention.

The US title hasn't ever been all that important except for when it was on SD as the main secondary title and you had guys like Cena, Benoit, Eddie, Booker feuding over it, but since the brand split is for all intents and purposes over, the US title is getting even less shine and has always been secondary even to the IC title.

The tag titles are never going to be where they were during the AE. You might have teams like Jerishow or Show-Miz come in and give a bit of legitimacy to them for a bit, but that's more about giving those guys something to do than getting the tag titles over. Point is, for the most part people don't buy shows to see the tag titles defended. Which is why it's so funny when people complain about slapped together tag teams, when 90% of tag teams that existed...ever have been slapped together singles guys without much direction (New Age Outlaws, APA).

The main point is, that it's always going to be a top-down approach. That's the way it's always been, and now with two world titles and a main eventer like Cena who doesn't need the title to remain the top guy on the show, of course the other titles are going to get less attention than they got in the past.

To be specific - Dolph Ziggler's a fine in ring competitor, but I'm still willing to wait and see if he can truly maintain heat w/o Vickie (who love or hate her is a heat magnet) at his side. Miz has gotten a bit stale and has been depushed because of that. Though I'm sure WWE still has high hopes for him in the long run. Cody's gotten a hell of a run and I'm sure 2 years ago no one would've pegged him as being the more over guy out of Legacy ahead of Ted, but he's taken advantage of it. I don't get what people want more out of him, I'm sure he'll get a main event run in due time, but again it seems that people want everything to happen all at once and when it doesn't people instantly bitch about the writing team not knowing what to do just bc they aren't doing what they want them to do.

I apologize if that rubs some the wrong way, and feel free to shoot me down. That's just how I see it, and of course not any concrete facts.

[TheShizNo1]

Re: Why Dont The "Other" Titles Receive Any Attention???

The problem is, people think everyone should be over all at once, and when someone isn't getting pushed, they **** on the writing team for it.

Not that they should be pushed at once. It's that I turn on Raw and see this dancing clown squash people for five minutes and continue to get a push of Goldberg like proportions. I'd rather watch a Miz (I'll continue on him later), Ziggler, Rhodes promo instead for those five minutes. Or I watch Albert in the main event. Seriously? Albert? T&A Albert? Prince Albert?

Cody's had a great run in the mid card - feuded with guys like Orton and Show who are former world champs, and has gotten wins off of those guys, which definitely makes him look better, yet people still talk about how the IC title gets no attention.

That's a legit gripe. Were those feuds really about the title or Rhodes? I remember SCSA/HHH/The Rock all feuding as IC champs. The IC title was somewhat secondary to their personal feud, but you still knew the IC title meant something. They would still mention it in their promos and have actual title matches.

The US title hasn't ever been all that important except for when it was on SD as the main secondary title and you had guys like Cena, Benoit, Eddie, Booker feuding over it, but since the brand split is for all intents and purposes over, the US title is getting even less shine and has always been secondary even to the IC title.

Point is, for the most part people don't buy shows to see the tag titles defended. Which is why it's so funny when people complain about slapped together tag teams, when 90% of tag teams that existed...ever have been slapped together singles guys without much direction (New Age Outlaws, APA).

I'm not gonna say people bought tickets to see the NAO, but if you don't think they were part of the reason, I think you need to go back and listen to their pops. To this day people will still follow Road Dogg's, "O you didn't know?" You can't say that without finishing the rest. As far as those teams being thrown together, APA wasn't made before Bradshaw's push. BABG and Road Dogg were going nowhere. WWE throws together established guys for the most part. The lone exception to me (recently) was Miz and Morrison. Leads me to a point (later) of breaking things up to soon, they were freaking comedic gold.

The main point is, that it's always going to be a top-down approach. That's the way it's always been, and now with two world titles and a main eventer like Cena who doesn't need the title to remain the top guy on the show, of course the other titles are going to get less attention than they got in the past.

No gripe. The lesser titles should be given less attention than the main ones. But there's a difference between less attention and hardly any.

To be specific - Dolph Ziggler's a fine in ring competitor, but I'm still willing to wait and see if he can truly maintain heat w/o Vickie (who love or hate her is a heat magnet) at his side

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Very much so agreed. Let Ziggler go off on his own for a little to give him a "test". You can keep Vicki w/ Swagger.

Miz has gotten a bit stale and has been depushed because of that. Though I'm sure WWE still has high hopes for him in the long run.

This infuriates me. Partly b/c I'm a Miz fan. He's succeeded in everything they've put him in; He and Morrison, MizShow, MizTruth, Feuds w/ Lawlwer and Cena. Now he's jobbing to Santino on YouTube? I'm sorry, I find it hard to cut a serious intense promo before an internet wrestling match. If they had no plans of putting him in any major feuds or a title run, they should have kept MizTruth together. Again, gold! That crap was some of the funniest stuff . Miz kept his legit status, and Truth got way over. They get broken up for nothing. What happens? Miz is on YouTube and Truth is just there. I get angry b/c the creative doesn't seem to know when there on to something and when they do, they don't know where to go w/ it. See CM Punk, Nash cell phone angle and Raw anonymous GM.

Cody's gotten a hell of a run and I'm sure 2 years ago no one would've pegged him as being the more over guy out of Legacy ahead of Ted, but he's taken advantage of it. I don't get what people want more out of him, I'm sure he'll get a main event run in due time, but again it seems that people want everything to happen all at once and when it doesn't people instantly bitch about the writing team not knowing what to do just bc they aren't doing what they want them to do.

You're right completely here. People forget how long it took HBK, SCSA, Rock, HHH to go from mid card to main event status full time. I go back to my first point a little more though. Sheamus was new, winning world titles and KOTR. Barrett was new feuding w/ Cena for the title. Clay is getting this dumb *** push. So naturally, you look at a guy like Cody and say, "Doesn't he deserve that too?". Again, I agree, but I can see where the gripes come from. And call me one of those people that thought he wouldn't be this good. I think the kneepads helped.

I apologize if that rubs some the wrong way, and feel free to shoot me down. That's just how I see it, and of course not any concrete facts.

Not trying to shoot you down. I just think there's some confusion as to why the writers get the "heat" they do.

[rangerrick012]

Re: Why Dont The "Other" Titles Receive Any Attention???

Not that they should be pushed at once. It's that I turn on Raw and see this dancing clown squash people for five minutes and continue to get a push of Goldberg like proportions. I'd rather watch a Miz (I'll continue on him later), Ziggler, Rhodes promo instead for those five minutes. Or I watch Albert in the main event. Seriously? Albert? T&A Albert? Prince Albert?

So it's not about people not getting pushed, it's about the people you guys like (Miz, Ziggler) not getting pushed? That's the way it comes off as sometimes around here. Say what you want about Clay but the crowd obviously loves the guy. I'm not saying he's the savior to wrestling or the next big thing, but it is 'entertainment', and Clay's been pretty entertaining with a gimmick that could've easily flopped and is getting pushed because of it.

I'm not gonna say people bought tickets to see the NAO, but if you don't think they were part of the reason, I think you need to go back and listen to their pops. To this day people will still follow Road Dogg's, "O you didn't know?" You can't say that without finishing the rest. As far as those teams being thrown together, APA wasn't made before Bradshaw's push. BABG and Road Dogg were going nowhere. WWE throws together established guys for the most part. The lone exception to me (recently) was Miz and Morrison. Leads me to a point (later) of breaking things up to soon, they were freaking comedic gold.

I'll agree with that. Teams like NAO, Hardy Boyz, the Dudleys, E&C, that was the peak of tag team wrestling really in WWE history. But tag teams haven't really gotten attention on that level for over 10 years now. For the most part tag teams have taken a back seat, so it's not like this is anything new.

And I don't see how Miz/Morrison broke up too soon, that's the ultimate endgame with all tag teams and it led to Miz becoming a good singles star and Morrison...well he's always been mediocre as a face, but it still was the right time to break those two up.

This infuriates me. Partly b/c I'm a Miz fan. He's succeeded in everything they've put him in; He and Morrison, MizShow, MizTruth, Feuds w/ Lawlwer and Cena. Now he's jobbing to Santino on YouTube? I'm sorry, I find it hard to cut a serious intense promo before an internet wrestling match. If they had no plans of putting him in any major feuds or a title run, they should have kept MizTruth together. Again, gold! That crap was some of the funniest stuff . Miz kept his legit status, and Truth got way over. They get broken up for nothing. What happens? Miz is on YouTube and Truth is just there. I get angry b/c the creative doesn't seem to know when there on to something and when they do, they don't know where to go w/ it. See CM Punk, Nash cell phone angle and Raw anonymous GM.

I think Miz is in that Jericho boat as a guy who can go from midcarding to main eventing without much problem and without looking weak. Really when you look at the card now and main event heels, there's not much room - Brock, Bryan, Del Rio, Jericho, and Tensai who they're going to push regardless even though he's not my cup of tea either. There's a lot of heels and not that many faces for them to go against in the main event, so that's why guys like Henry, Miz, and Ziggler are put on the backburner sometimes.

You're right completely here. People forget how long it took HBK, SCSA, Rock, HHH to go from mid card to main event status full time. I go back to my first point a little more though. Sheamus was new, winning world titles and KOTR. Barrett was new feuding w/ Cena for the title. Clay is getting this dumb *** push. So naturally, you look at a guy like Cody and say, "Doesn't he deserve that too?". Again, I agree, but I can see where the gripes come from. And call me one of those people that thought he wouldn't be this good. I think the kneepads helped.

You're right, and I apologize for saying people expect everything all at once. It's not as if guys like Ziggler and Rhodes aren't going to get their shot, it's that it feels like they've been in the midcard forever relatively speaking.

What I've realized is that there's always going to be some people that aren't getting as much shine as they should, and people are going to complain about it until they do. A year ago it was Punk and Bryan who weren't getting as much attention as some though they should get, and now both are main eventing consistently. Though I'm sure Bryan may eventually go down a bit to make room for someone else, which will lead people to complain about him not getting enough shine. It's a vicious cycle in some ways.

[goh]

Re: Why Dont The "Other" Titles Receive Any Attention???

It's not a push thing. It's a they're not doing anything thing.

Let's take OTL,even the main the titles this time...

The WWE title match relies on existing history.
The World title match had a bit with Sheamus/ADR but Orton and Jericho are there just because.
There's no IC or US title match at all and neither champion is doing anything or even in a feud.
Diva's title match seems to be based on "because I healed faster than you."
No story to the tag title match either. Not even Vickie accidentally tripped and squashed Lil Jimmy and now he's in the hospital. Ziggler was on Superstars recently...SUPERSTARS!
Only thing with any real bulid is Cena/Ace and that's a joke match.

Then there's a long list of superstars that are also not doing anything at all. Does Mark Henry even still work there? Tyson Kidd isn't useful for anything though other wrestlers say he's great? Just had those 3 great matches with Perfect Jr. and now nothing for either of them. The best they can do for A-Ri is that he owes Punk $50? And poor,poor Miz! Zack Ryder hasn't done anything in months and they finally decided to have his blow off match with Kane on the OTL pre-show.

[PhilliesFan13]

Re: Why Dont The "Other" Titles Receive Any Attention???

Remember back in the good old days when the Intercontinental Championship and WWE Championship were the last two matches on a PPV card?

[Redacted01]

Re: Why Dont The "Other" Titles Receive Any Attention???

Remember back in the good old days when the Intercontinental Championship and WWE Championship were the last two matches on a PPV card?

Going back to the late 90's and it wasn't even that common. There were quite a few In Your House PPV's I checked that didn't even have the IC title on the card.