2/4 RAW Thread: Gone the way of Mason Ryan.

[DonkeyJote]

Yeah it's ridiculous how little the heels win, I understand faces will win more but the win/loss records for most of the heels is just pathetic, I saw a page that actually had stats for January for house shows/PPVs/tv and Ziggler for example worked 18 matches in the month of January and had 3 wins, all the momentum coming out of TLC and he ends up winning 17% of his matches, unreal.



Well the way they're using Ziggler I'm sure Jericho will beat him if they square off, of course it would happen after Big E interferes so they can really make Ziggler look weak.

You can't really count house shows. Those aren't there to build momentum or move storylines, so faces almost always win unless they're a champion.

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[jfRED33]

Highlights of the show for me (in no particular order):

- The return of monster Mark Henry
- Lesnar throwing a director's chair off Miz's skull
- Ambrose and Maddox mic time

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[ubernoob]

Re: 2/4 RAW Thread: Gone the way of Mason Ryan.

Henry returning is all that mattered to me in this RAW.

Finally a good monster heel. He came back angry too. Ambrose mic time is always good. Rollins... not so much. He's not horrible though.

[philliesfan136]

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I thought the ending was pretty good. Sets up an EC tornado tag like others mentioned, which would work well for the Shield.

Maddox's promo was interesting, as was Cena and Co. taking something out of the Shield's playbook, and the locker room faces actually coming out to stop them (I also noticed how Orton lead them).

Here's a different look on the Raw in general from a blog:

Brad Maddox opened up the overrun segment with all his smarmy glory. He combined the evangelistic panache of a Southern preacher man, claiming that he was wronged, into his Bane-like countercry (complete with vocal affectations) for justice against a group that admittedly confessed that justice wasn't free. Combine it with Paul Heyman's false shame, begging for his Kraken not to maim and murder, even though by his own admission, he was a liar in every sense of the word. His glee at seeing Miz laid to waste among the strewn wreckage of his own television set was noticeable because he didn't show it. But it was implied, and implied glee is the best glee. This is a hurricane of nuance that is rarely seen from WWE, but when it happens, it hits me right in the gut, the place where my deepest desires to see the form of professional wrestling elevated reside.

Maddox as a nexus point for the main event scene was not predictable by any means a year ago, but to me, he's the most interesting figure WWE has produced in a long time, and I say that even as Antonio Cesaro continues to impress, even though he has been saddled with the most awful feud known to man against Ryback. I don't know what it says about the state of his status with the locker room that John Cena almost purposely waited until after his Beef Mode was turned into soup bones and sinew by the Shield, but that's part of the subtext. No one likes a rat, and Maddox almost plays that role too well. He was right to do what he did, but was he just a victim of Paul Heyman, or is he just like him, a liar who will sell out whomever he can to keep his hide from getting tanned?

While the main story of RAW tonight very much centered on this layered sense of angle-building, there was a noted old-school feel in the air. The other main story being told, centered around Big Show and Alberto del Rio, is the only one that presses the buttons of the old dynamic. Racist heel slanders an entire ethnicity and continues to beat the **** out of a helpless ring announcer. Good guy Champion gets suckered into the emotion and is compelled to go above and beyond the call of decency to get revenge. It's beneath him, sure, but we empathize, because this is how we want to conduct our lives. The difference between del Rio and everyone else in WWE though? He's morally right. No question he's been morally right all along, because Show has done nothing but make his life a living hell. In the real world, there are other channels, but this is professional wrestling. This is the one place where violence not only is the best answer, but the only answer. Why is it WWE gets it so right with this story and so wrong in application with everything else?

Still, that story as the backdrop for the most old school thing of them all, the induction into the Hall of Fame and the celebration of the man upon whose back early WWE was built worked so well as a partner piece. I never got to watch Bruno Sammartino wrestle, but by God, I got a chill watching his video package. WWE always has a sense of importance when building up their legends for lauding, that first Bob Backlund video excepted. Sammartino was a wrestler larger than life when he was active, and even though his era predated my birth, I couldn't help but feeling the man I saw clips of was important. He was the original hoss, it seems.

But speaking of hosses? MARK HENRY IS BACK MOTHER****ERS, AND HE'S JUST DOING WHAT HE DOES. IT'S HOSS SEASON, DORKS. YOU BETTER RECOGNIZE. WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO.

Seriously though, why can't all RAWs be like this?

[Amoo316]

Re: 2/4 RAW Thread: Gone the way of Mason Ryan.

Highlights of the show for me (in no particular order):

- The return of monster Mark Henry
- Lesnar throwing a director's chair off Miz's skull
- Ambrose and Maddox mic time

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The fact that you didn't mention CM Punk vs Jericho:

1. Makes me SMH, that match was good
2. Tells me this was a pretty solid raw.

Caesaro looked good, Bryan v Rey was good (AND THEY LET BRYAN WIN!!!), Punk v Jericho was good, no Divas crap was good

No more Rhodes Scholars makes me

Also - http://shop.wwe.com/Cody-Rhodes-%22G...ent-codyrhodes

[ubernoob]

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The thing with Punk v. Jericho is that it truly means nothing.

In the long or short run, nothing (storyline-wise, character development-wise and so forth) was gained by this match. WWE fails to see that their crash booking of matches is impacting their product in a negative way.

[jfRED33]

The fact that you didn't mention CM Punk vs Jericho:

1. Makes me SMH, that match was good
2. Tells me this was a pretty solid raw.

Caesaro looked good, Bryan v Rey was good (AND THEY LET BRYAN WIN!!!), Punk v Jericho was good, no Divas crap was good

No more Rhodes Scholars makes me

Also - http://shop.wwe.com/Cody-Rhodes-%22G...ent-codyrhodes

I have the WrestleMania 28 blu-ray... preferred the original "Best In The World" culmination. Yes, their RAW match was solid - but WM's was better. That's why I didn't mention it. Don't get me wrong though... I won't ever turn down a Punk/Y2J match!

Bryan's always solid.

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[Amoo316]

Re: 2/4 RAW Thread: Gone the way of Mason Ryan.

The thing with Punk v. Jericho is that it truly means nothing.

In the long or short run, nothing (storyline-wise, character development-wise and so forth) was gained by this match. WWE fails to see that their crash booking of matches is impacting their product in a negative way.

What the heck is wrong with you people? Why does everything HAVE to mean something? The E knew Rock wasn't in house, could have given us more Ziggs vs Jericho, but decided to shoot us a gem and throw Punk in there with Jericho, which is always gold, and people still find a way to complain about it...

Haters to the left, please.

[philliesfan136]

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What happened off the air, and the updated EC card:

WWE Championship Match
The Rock (c) vs. CM Punk

World Heavyweight Championship Match
Alberto Del Rio (c) vs. Big Show

Elimination Chamber Match
Winner gets a World Heavyweight Championship shot at Wrestlemania 29
Daniel Bryan vs. Rey Mysterio vs. Randy Orton vs. TBA vs. TBA vs. TBA


- Jim Ross praised Jack Swagger, writing on Twitter, "I still have the utmost confidence in @RealJackSwagger & he could well be the next World Heavyweight Champion. Time will tell. @WWE"

- Big E Langston has been tweeting messages of things that are better than Ryback all night. Some of the items he posted were Baby Got Back, baklava and Backhoe.

- After Monday's Raw went off the air CM Punk challenged John Cena and Ryback to a tag team match, to face him and Dolph Ziggler. The match ended when Ryback tagged in Cena and he hit Five Knuckle Shuffle and the Attitude Adjustment on Ziggler to win the match. Cena greeted fans at ringside after the match.

[ubernoob]

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What the heck is wrong with you people? Why does everything HAVE to mean something? The E knew Rock wasn't in house, could have given us more Ziggs vs Jericho, but decided to shoot us a gem and throw Punk in there with Jericho, which is always gold, and people still find a way to complain about it...

Haters to the left, please.

I'm not complaining about a match that included 2 of my 3 favorite wrestlers still working. I'm just saying it's nothing noteworthy. We've seen it before, it doesn't progress Punk/Jericho any further on a PPV which (by the way) is 12 days away.

I'd go into a whole diatribe about what I think is currently lacking in today's product, but it will just get lost in a heap of "IWC" comments, even though it's quite the opposite.

I want my wrestling to mean something. The openers (see: WCW cruiserweights) are there to blow up the ring. The main event guys that get shine in the spotlight? They better be advancing either a story or their character in some way if you want me to invest in them. That's not on the workers though, that is on WWE.

[Amoo316]

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I'm not complaining about a match that included 2 of my 3 favorite wrestlers still working. I'm just saying it's nothing noteworthy. We've seen it before, it doesn't progress Punk/Jericho any further on a PPV which (by the way) is 12 days away.

I'd go into a whole diatribe about what I think is currently lacking in today's product, but it will just get lost in a heap of "IWC" comments, even though it's quite the opposite.

I want my wrestling to mean something. The openers (see: WCW cruiserweights) are there to blow up the ring. The main event guys that get shine in the spotlight? They better be advancing either a story or their character in some way if you want me to invest in them. That's not on the workers though, that is on WWE.

I agree with you 100%. At the same time though, I'm ok with every now and then they just throw us some random good match because they know it will be good and they don't have anything special to do with guys for a card. I get the part about we get that all the time, but in this specific instance I felt it was justified and I was ok with it. Plus it was an awesome match.

[soltrain]

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Good Raw, loved the ending. I could careless if they buried the Shield into oblivion and were never seen again.

So you do care?

[AUChase]

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Second week in a row I have fallen asleep while watching RAW.

Going to have to stop watching the three hour version and do something else and just catch up on it later or the next day.

[soltrain]

Re: 2/4 RAW Thread: Gone the way of Mason Ryan.

Second week in a row I have fallen asleep while watching RAW.

Going to have to stop watching the three hour version and do something else and just catch up on it later or the next day.

Yeah. That is what I am doing next week. I'll fast forward through it after the wife goes to bed. It's just too much of a commitment each Monday.

[Amoo316]

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I've gone to DVRing it and FFing through commercials/divas crap/"last week on RAW"...etc.