Hell in a Cell 10/27/13

[DonkeyJote]

Re: Hell in a Cell 10/27/13

Yea, so many people around here complain about those of us who are nostalgic about the Attitude era, but at least we remember feuds took months, not a couple weeks, to see it all play out.

I agree, though, Bryan had to win one. Rock and Mankind wouldn't have been as interesting if The Rock won every single time and well, that I Quit match helped as well.

I didn't see what happened, but depending on how it played out, maybe Shawn tries to get Bryan another shot. But people are forgetting. Stone Cold Steve Austin didn't have a title match from Breakdown (September 98) all the way to Wrestlemania, but he was still involved with the main storyline. Bryan may be out of the title picture until Royal Rumble (because really, if Cena wins it again, I give up), but doesn't mean he's out of the picture completely.

Bryan did win one, at Night of Champions. He was just stripped. Bryan came out looking much stronger through this feud, imo. He beat John Cena, clean, for the WWE title. His loss to Orton came after a HHH heel turn. He beat Orton at NoC. He was about to beat Orton at Battleground before Big Show knocked everyone out. And it took Triple H, Randy Orton, and Sweet Chin Music to beat him at Hell in a Cell. He didn't need to win anything. He's looked great.

I think Survivor Series is set up as follows:

Orton vs. Punk

HHH vs. Big Show

Cena vs. Del Rio

Bryan, Goldust, Cody Rhodes, and Mark Henry vs. The Shield and ????

Kane, Kofi, Miz vs. Wyatt Family

Maybe they add someone to the Wyatt family to make it a traditional 4 on 4 Survivor Series match? My best guess to go with the Shield would be Barrett or Sandow probably.

One other thing, it seems weird to me that they would put the World Title on Cena. Are they trying to position the World Title as being "equal" to the WWE Title again, even though that would kinda go in the face of the "Authority" storyline? Or maybe they'll finally unify those titles at TLC or the Royal Rumble. Maybe that's a pipedream. I personally don't mind the WHC. It's the modern equivalent of the old IC title. I just think it doesn't make sense to have two "World Titles" when there aren't really two brands anymore.

I could see this leading to an eventual HBK return at Mania, either against Triple H or Bryan (I have a hard time seeing him stay heel long, though). It's been almost 5 years since he retired, he looks like he's in better shape than he was say a year or two ago, and maybe he wants to perform in front of his children again, who were 9 and 4 the last time he wrestled.

[jyoung]

Re: Hell in a Cell 10/27/13

HiaC just doesn't work in the PG era.

That plus the fact that it's now an annualized PPV, so all the matchups tend to have no build up and no real history.

"Oh, it's Hell in a Cell month, who can we throw in there?" That's seems to be the extent of the WWE's planning these days.

Hell in a Cell matches worked a lot better when they happened naturally as the culmination of a long-running feud.

Also, none of the wrestlers used the cell creatively last night. They could have had the typical black barricade surrounding the ring and those matches would have been no different.

[WWF80sKid]

Re: Hell in a Cell 10/27/13

Jyoung is right. The hell in a cell needs to be a feud ending match after a long drawn out feud, not the October PPV.

[SoundTheAlarm]

Re: Hell in a Cell 10/27/13

Agree with both of you guys. Throw in TLC and Extreme Rules as well. Only themed PPVs should be MITB and maybe Elimination Chamber.


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[Redacted01]

Re: Hell in a Cell 10/27/13

Kill EC too. It contributes to throwing together championship feuds at Wrestlemania. That match was great when it was first introduced, but it's just another match now that there are 2 of them every single year, especially when there are usually filler superstars like Santino that have less than 0 chance of winning.

[almostbobsaget]

Re: Hell in a Cell 10/27/13

They need to redo the entire PPV schedule.

1 - Jan: Royal Rumble
2 - Feb: TLC (needs to be a throwaway PPV that builds toward Mania)
3 - March/April: Wrestlemania
4 - Early May: Payback (would be a great theme for the first post-mania PPV)
5- Early June: MITB (needs to be swapped with the June PPV so it has time to build for Summerslam and define the MITB winners as threats)
6 -Late June: Great American Bash
7 - July: Bash at the Beach/King of the Ring (needs to be reemployed to build the midcard credibility)
8 - Aug: Summerslam
9 - Sept: Battleground
10 - October: No Mercy
11 - November: Survivor Series
12 - December: Night of Champions (make it prestigious like Starrcade and have the card start planting the seeds for Wrestlemania)

If you have to have a 13th PPV have it be a New Year's Revolution type PPV or do a Cyber Sunday at some point to include the social media aspect of WWE programing.

I'm also a fan of instituting a 30 day "offseason" for the WWE in September or October when football and baseball seem to rule the ratings. I know it's not "best for business" but you could really polish off storylines and give the wrestlers time to rest going into Wrestlemania season. You could even do best of episodes of Raw to keep the fanbase connected.

[SoundTheAlarm]

Re: Hell in a Cell 10/27/13

They need to redo the entire PPV schedule.

1 - Jan: Royal Rumble
2 - Feb: TLC (needs to be a throwaway PPV that builds toward Mania)
3 - March/April: Wrestlemania
4 - Early May: Payback (would be a great theme for the first post-mania PPV)
5- Early June: MITB (needs to be swapped with the June PPV so it has time to build for Summerslam and define the MITB winners as threats)
6 -Late June: Great American Bash
7 - July: Bash at the Beach/King of the Ring (needs to be reemployed to build the midcard credibility)
8 - Aug: Summerslam
9 - Sept: Battleground
10 - October: No Mercy
11 - November: Survivor Series
12 - December: Night of Champions (make it prestigious like Starrcade and have the card start planting the seeds for Wrestlemania)

If you have to have a 13th PPV have it be a New Year's Revolution type PPV or do a Cyber Sunday at some point to include the social media aspect of WWE programing.

I'm also a fan of instituting a 30 day "offseason" for the WWE in September or October when football and baseball seem to rule the ratings. I know it's not "best for business" but you could really polish off storylines and give the wrestlers time to rest going into Wrestlemania season. You could even do best of episodes of Raw to keep the fanbase connected.

This schedule is beautiful. It's almost exactly what I had running through my head.


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[DonkeyJote]

Re: Hell in a Cell 10/27/13

I like the Elimination Chamber PPV because it's the last chance to get to Mania. I think there should always be an EC match for a shot at the World Heavyweight Title at Mania.

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[TheMatrix31]

Re: Hell in a Cell 10/27/13

I don't like Elimination Chamber at all. Royal Rumble should be the last chance for romance to get to Wrestlemania guaranteed. Since Elimination Chamber has been a PPV, the prestige of the Royal Rumble has suffered immensely. In fact, I don't even think there should be a February PPV at all.

[DonkeyJote]

Re: Hell in a Cell 10/27/13

I don't like Elimination Chamber at all. Royal Rumble should be the last chance for romance to get to Wrestlemania guaranteed. Since Elimination Chamber has been a PPV, the prestige of the Royal Rumble has suffered immensely. In fact, I don't even think there should be a February PPV at all.

Imo, Royal Rumble winner should get the shot at the WWE Title, EC Winner gets a shot at the secondary title. That hasn't really been the case for a long while, unfortunately. But I think that way, it restores the Royal Rumble.

[TheMatrix31]

Re: Hell in a Cell 10/27/13

I'd be cool with that.

[Redacted01]

Re: Hell in a Cell 10/27/13

MITB needs to go. You already have Royal Rumble. No reason to give more free shots... unless you are going to bring back KOTR and do like Brock and Mabel and give the winner a shot at Summerslam. Or make only a single MITB match.

[kjtrippe]

Re: Hell in a Cell 10/27/13

When the MITB match was at WM it was way better than it is now. They should at least have it where the winner could cash in on ANY singles championship. A tag team MITB match would be cool too.

[TheMatrix31]

Re: Hell in a Cell 10/27/13

All match stipulation PPVs have got to go. Stipulations exist for feud purposes. If you have them as shows no matter what, you're going to be forcing the issues. Hell in a Cell exists as feud culmination when EVERY option has been exhausted. Same with ladder matches and elimination chambers. They exist for a reason, not to force them because they're popular.

And yeah, only have one freakin' MITB match at Wrestlemania if you're hell-bent on keeping it. And make that briefcase work for any title.

[Cubfan]

Re: Hell in a Cell 10/27/13

I think the Hell in Cell ppv needs to go away it use to be used as the only way to end a feud now it is just another gimmick ppv.