WWE Netflix/Peacock/ESPN Discussion Thread

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Well, considering that Flair wrestled for GCW/WCW/NWA from early 80's till 2001 and goldberg wrestled for wcw from late 1996-2001 I think I would be spot on with my statement.

More money made for the company=Bigger draw.

Well sure if you count NWA then probably. But if you count just WCW, it's probably Goldberg (behind Hogan).

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Well sure if you count NWA then probably. But if you count just WCW, it's probably Goldberg (behind Hogan).

WCW was founded in '88, so I doubt it.

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WCW was founded in '88, so I doubt it.

These numbers disagree with you: https://sites.google.com/site/chrish...s/avghouseshow

Plus PPV buyrates were at their highest in 98-99.

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These numbers disagree with you: https://sites.google.com/site/chrish...s/avghouseshow

Plus PPV buyrates were at their highest in 98-99.

PPV buyrates wouldn't tell the whole story anyway. Wrestlers worked a lot more dates back in the 80's. WCW in '93 after Bischoff took over drastically reduced house shows, so you have to take that into account. I didn't see anything on the site that said it was adjusted for inflation. Flair was gone where these charts start so you effectively have to take '91 and '92 out of the equation. The PPV buyrates only start at '95. These numbers don't take into account any Japan Super Show or any other Japan show that WCW did. There are a lot of things missing that I would like to take a look at.

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PPV buyrates wouldn't tell the whole story anyway. Wrestlers worked a lot more dates back in the 80's. WCW in '93 after Bischoff took over drastically reduced house shows, so you have to take that into account. I didn't see anything on the site that said it was adjusted for inflation. Flair was gone where these charts start so you effectively have to take '91 and '92 out of the equation. The PPV buyrates only start at '95. These numbers don't take into account any Japan Super Show or any other Japan show that WCW did. There are a lot of things missing that I would like to take a look at.

Lol, you're reaching there man. You can find PPV buy rates on other sites, they weren't comparable to the late 90s.

And those house show numbers are attendance numbers, not $ made at the gate, so inflation isn't a factor with those numbers. It's cut and dry, WCW's highest TV ratings, PPV buyrates, and house show attendance numbers were in 1998 and 1999 when Goldberg was relevant.

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Lol, you're reaching there man. You can find PPV buy rates on other sites, they weren't comparable to the late 90s.

And those house show numbers are attendance numbers, not $ made at the gate, so inflation isn't a factor with those numbers. It's cut and dry, WCW's highest TV ratings, PPV buyrates, and house show attendance numbers were in 1998 and 1999 when Goldberg was relevant.

Ok, let's go with what you got. Goldberg won the world title in what, July?

Bash at the Beach: He wrestled Curt Hennig for the title. Not a big drawing match. They were there to see Rodman/Hogan vs. DDP/Malone

Road Wild: He was in a battle royal with the nWo. I might give you that though I think the buyrate was to see the tag match between DDP/Leno vs. Bischoff/Hogan.

Fall Brawl: He didn't wrestle at all.

Halloween Havoc: He wrestled DDP. I'll give you that.

World War 3: He didn't wrestle at all.

Starrcade: He wrestled Nash. I'll give you that.

So half the ppvs that he was champion, he either wasn't in a high profile match or didn't wrestle at all.

And you cannot tell me that a guy that wrestled four years for a company produced more money than a guy that wrestled 12 years for the company. I refuse to believe that.

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Ok, let's go with what you got. Goldberg won the world title in what, July?

Bash at the Beach: He wrestled Curt Hennig for the title. Not a big draw.

Road Wild: He was in a battle royal with the nWo. I'll give you that.

Fall Brawl: He didn't wrestle at all.

Halloween Havoc: He wrestled DDP. I'll give you that.

World War 3: He didn't wrestle at all.

Starrcade: He wrestled Nash. I'll give you that.

So half the ppvs that he was champion, he either wasn't in a high profile match or didn't wrestle at all.

And you cannot tell me that a guy that wrestled four years for a company produced more money than a guy that wrestled 12 years for the company. I refuse to believe that.

You're only going off PPV Buy Rates though. I'll admit though you can't even give credit to Goldberg for BATB cause that had Malone and Rodman. House Show numbers and TV ratings are better indicators of a person's draw ability since they are cheaper than buying a PPV. House show attendance was at it's highest when Goldberg was champion.

I know on the surface it seems outlandish that a guy's 2 year run could outdraw Flair who was around much longer, but the numbers they did during 98-99 were never seen before. That was pro wrestling's peak of popularity and Goldberg had a lot to do with it.

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You're only going off PPV Buy Rates though. I'll admit though you can't even give credit to Goldberg for BATB cause that had Malone and Rodman. House Show numbers and TV ratings are better indicators of a person's draw ability since they are cheaper than buying a PPV. House show attendance was at it's highest when Goldberg was champion.

I know on the surface it seems outlandish that a guy's 2 year run could outdraw Flair who was around much longer, but the numbers they did during 98-99 were never seen before. That was pro wrestling's peak of popularity and Goldberg had a lot to do with it.

That I can agree with. But somebody doing one house show would not sell as much as a double or triple shot, which were common back in the 80's.

I think Rodman/Malone sold in July, Leno/Bischoff sold in August, WarGames sold in September, Warrior and Hogan (along with Goldberg DDP sold in October), World War 3 sold in November, and Nash and Goldberg sold in December.

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That I can agree with. But somebody doing one house show would not sell as much as a double or triple shot, which were common back in the 80's.

I think Rodman/Malone sold in July, Leno/Bischoff sold in August, WarGames sold in September, Warrior and Hogan (along with Goldberg DDP sold in October), World War 3 sold in November, and Nash and Goldberg sold in December.

I definitely agree with all of those. "Da Streak" was must-see TV too. When they came to Cincinnati, my Dad took me and we sat in the front row, main event was Goldberg vs. The Giant. It was amazing seeing them in person. You don't realize how huge The Giant is until you're right next to him. And then Goldberg ****ing picks him up and jackhammers him with minimal struggle...it was surreal to see up close.

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I definitely agree with all of those. "Da Streak" was must-see TV too. When they came to Cincinnati, my Dad took me and we sat in the front row, main event was Goldberg vs. The Giant. It was amazing seeing them in person. You don't realize how huge The Giant is until you're right next to him. And then Goldberg ****ing picks him up and jackhammers him with minimal struggle...it was surreal to see up close.

I agree. Goldberg was a freak. I have something else for you. If not to persuade you, then to simply look at the chart and be able to compare different superstars runs. I didn't know it, but The Rock actually sold more seats than Austin in their runs.

Spoiler

The formula is largely based on matches that drew 10,000 fans (and an extra point if topping 20,000, a third point if topping 30,000, etc).

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Originally Posted by Wrestling Observer Newsletter
1908 - Frank Gotch and George Hackenschmidt

1909 - Frank Gotch

1910 - 1. Great Gama and Stanislaus Zbyszko; 3. Frank Gotch; 4. Dr. Ben Roller

1911 - 1. Frank Gotch and George Hackenschmidt

1912 - 1. Frank Gotch

1913 - 1. Stanislaus Zbyszko and George Lurich; 3. Frank Gotch

1914 - Unavailable

1915 - 1. Charley Cutler; 2. Joe Stecher

1916 - 1. Joe Stecher; 2. Ed “Strangler” Lewis

1917 - 1. Joe Stecher; 2. Charley Peters, Jim Londos, John Pesek Ad Santel, Wladek Zbyszko; John Olin, Ed “Strangler” Lewis

1918 - 1. Joe Stecher, Ed “Strangler” Lewis and Wladek Zbyszko

1919 - 1. Ed “Strangler” Lewis; 2. Wladek Zbyszko; 3. Joe Stecher and Jim Londos

1920 - 1. Joe Stecher; 2. Jim Londos; 3. Earl Caddock and Ed “Strangler” Lewis; 5. John Pesek

1921 - 1. Ed “Strangler” Lewis; 2. Earl Caddock; 3. Jim Londos, John Pesek and Stanislaus Zbyszko

1922 - 1. Stanislaus Zbyszko; 2. Earl Caddock and Ed “Strangler” Lewis

1923 - 1. Ed “Strangler” Lewis; 2. Jim Londos; 3. Stanislaus Zbyszko and John Pesek

1924 - 1. Ed “Strangler” Lewis and Jim Londos; 3. Toots Mondt and Stanislaus Zbyszko

1925 - 1. Ed “Strangler” Lewis, Joe Stecher, Wayne Munn and Stanislaus Zbyszko

1926 - 1. Jim Londos; 2. Joe Stecher; 3. Ray Steele, John Pesek, Ed “Strangler” Lewis and Jim Browning

1927 - 1. Jim Londos and John Pesek

1928 - 1. Jim Londos; 2. John Pesek and Ed “Strangler” Lewis; 4. Joe Stecher, Dick Shikat, Gus Sonnenberg, Ray Steele

1929 - 1. Gus Sonnenberg; 2. Ed “Strangler” Lewis; 3. Joe Stecher; 4. Jim Londos; 5. Dick Shikat; 6. Stanley Stasiak and Joe Malciewiez

1930 - 1. Dick Shikat and Jim Londos; 3. Gus Sonnenberg and Everett Marshall; 5. Gino Garibaldi, Abe Coleman and Man Mountain Dean; 8. Stanley Stasiak, Karl Pojello, Ed “Strangler” Lewis, Hans Steinke, Ed Don George, Milo Steinborn an Rudy Dusek

1931 - 1. Jim Londos (dominant year, set all-time record for biggest national drawing card); 2. Ray Steele; 3. Jim McMillen and Gus Sonnenberg; 5. Rudy Dusek and Sandor Szabo; 7. Herb Freeman, Pat O’Shocker, Kola Kwariani, George Calza

1932 - 1. Jim Londos (dominant year); 2. Henri DeGlane; 3. Ed “Strangler” Lewis and Dick Shikat; 5. Jack Washburn

1933 - 1. Jim Londos (dominant year); 2. Henri DeGlane; 3. Jim Browning; 4. Ed Don George; 5. Ray Steele and Gus Sonnenberg; 7. Joe Stecher, Dick Shikat and Ed “Strangler” Lewis

1934 - 1. Jim Londos (dominant year, near record breaker); 2. Man Mountain Dean; 3. Dick Shikat; 4. Ed Don George, Ed “Strangler” Lewis, Jim Browning; 6. Joe Savoldi; 7. Joe Stecher and George Zaharias; 9. Everett Marshall, Henri DeGlane, Orville Brown and Gino Garibaldi

1935 - 1. Danno O’Mahoney (dominant year); 2. Jim Londos and Man Mountain Dean; 4. Vincent Lopez; 5. Ed “Strangler” Lewis; 6. Ed Don George; 7. Orville Brown and Gus Sonnenberg; 9. Chief Little Wolf and Ernie Dusek

1936 - 1. Danno O’Mahoney (dominant year); 2. Yvon Robert; 3. Ed Don George; 4. Everett Marshall, Ali Baba, Rube Wright, Vincent Lopez and Earl McCready

1937 - 1. Jim Londos (dominant year); 2. Everett Marshall; 3. Yvon Robert; 4. Orville Brown

1938 - 1. Jim Londos and Steve Casey; 3. Lou Thesz, Everett Marshall and Bronko Nagurski; 6. Vincent Lopez

1939 - 1. Jim Londos, Vincent Lopez and Dave Levin; 4. Lou Thesz, Everett Marshall, Dean Detton and Mildred Burke

1940 - 1. Jim Londos; 2. Bronko Nagurski and Maurice “French Angel” Tillet; 4. George Zaharias, Lou Thesz, Bill Longson and Ed Don George

1941 - 1. Bill Longson (dominant year); 2. Ed Don George and Wlasislow Talum; 4. Mildred Burke

1942 - 1. Bill Longson (dominant year); 2. Yvon Robert; 3. Maurice “French Angel” Tillet; 4. Lou Thesz and Sandor Szabo

1943 - 1. Bill Longson (dominant year); 2. Bobby Managoff, Swedish Angel and Vic Holbook; 5. Sandor Szabo and Yvon Robert

1944 - 1. Bill Longson (dominant year); 2. Whipper Billy Watson and Sandor Szabo; 4. Swedish Angel and Warren Bockwinkel

1945 - 1. Bill Longson (dominant year); 2. Wlasislow Talum and Bob Wagner

1946 - 1. Bill Longson (dominant year); 2. Buddy Rogers; 3. Yvon Robert and Primo Carnera; 5. Ray Vilmer, Frank Sexton, Wlasislow Talum, Bobby Managoff, Lou Thesz and Jim Londos

1947 - 1. Bill Longson; 2. Frank Sexton; 3. Lou Thesz and Whipper Billy Watson; 5. Gorgeous George; 6. Bob Wagner, Buddy Rogers, Larry Moquin and Bert Assirati

1948 - 1. Gorgeous George; 2. Bill Longson; 3. Enrique Torres; 4. Ernie & Emil Dusek; 6. Babe & Chris Zaharias and Whipper Billy Watson; 8. Maurice “French Angel” Tillet; 9. Sandor Szabo, Frank Sexton, Don Eagle, Manuel Garza, Buddy Rogers, Yvon Robert and Primo Carnera

1949 - 1. Gorgeous George and Whipper Billy Watson; 3. Lou Thesz; 4. Buddy Rogers, Yvon Robert and Don Eagle; 7. Argentina Rocca, Bill Longson and El Santo

1950 - 1. Lou Thesz and Argentina Rocca; 3. Buddy Rogers, Primo Carnera and Gorgeous George; 6. Don Eagle and Yukon Eric; 8. Whipper Billy Watson, Yvon Robert, Nanjo Singh, Bill Longson and Maurice “French Angel” Tillet

1951 - 1. Lou Thesz; 2. Whipper Billy Watson, Buddy Rogers and Great Togo; 5. Bill Longson and Yvon Robert; 7. Argentina Rocca, Yukon Eric, Enrique Llanes and Rikidozan

1952 - 1. Lou Thesz (dominant year); 2. Argentina Rocca and Killer Kowalski; 4. Buddy Rogers Primo Carnera, Verne Gagne and Baron Michele Leone; 8. Bobby Managoff, Pat O’Connor and Mighty Atlas

1953 - 1. Lou Thesz and Blue Demon; 3. El Santo; 4. Killer Kowalski and Verne Gagne; 6. Yvon Robert and Argentina Rocca; 8. Hans Schmidt, Tony Borne, Yukon Eric, Whipper Billy Watson and Al & Tiny Mills

1954 - 1. Argentina Rocca; 2. Verne Gagne, Pat O’Connor and Rikidozan; 5. El Santo; 6. Killer Kowalski, Mike & Ben Sharpe, Masahiko Kimura, Bert Assirati; 10. Whipper Billy Watson, Lou Thesz, Hans Schmidt

1955 - 1. Lou Thesz; 2. Wilbur Snyder; 3. Argentina Rocca and Hans Schmidt; 5. Killer Kowalski, Yukon Eric, Neff Maiava, Buddy Rogers, Emile Czaja and Rikidozan

1956 - 1. Argentina Rocca and Whipper Billy Watson; 3. Lou Thesz; 4. Killer Kowalski, Dr. Jerry Graham and El Santo; 7. Verne Gagne and Wilbur Snyder; 9. Dick the Bruiser, Ivan & Karol Kalmikoff, Reggie (Crusher) & Stan Liswoski; Miguel Perez, Edouard Carpentier, Don Leo Jonathan and Gorgeous George

1957 - 1. Lou Thesz; 2. Argentina Rocca; 3. Gene Kiniski; 4. Killer Kowalski and Edouard Carpentier; 6. Rikidozan; 7. Miguel Perez; 8. Whipper Billy Watson; 9. Hans Schmidt and Bobo Brazil

1958 - 1. Argentina Rocca & Miguel Perez (dominant year); 2. Killer Kowalski; 3. Edouard Carpentier; 4. Dr. Jerry Graham; 5. Fabulous Kangaroos and Eddie Graham; 7. Don Leo Jonathan, Pat O’Connor, The Sheik, Wild Bull Curry, Tony Borne and Black Shadow

1959 - 1. Argentina Rocca & Miguel Perez (dominant year); 2. Dick the Bruiser, Dr. Jerry & Eddie Graham, and Killer Kowalski; 5. Johnny Valentine; 6. Buddy Rogers and Wilbur Snyder; 8. Lord Athol Layton, Hans Schmidt, Angelo Poffo, Yukon Eric, Whipper Billy Watson, Gene Kiniski, Gorgeous George, The Sheik, Edouard Carpentier, Roy & Ray Shire (Ray Stevens)

1960 - 1. Buddy Rogers; 2. Argentina Rocca; 3. Dick the Bruiser, Bearcat Wright and Pat O’Connor; 6. Eddie Graham, Sweet Daddy Siki and Killer Kowalski; 9. Bruno Sammartino; 10. Cowboy Bob Ellis, Gene Kiniski and Yukon Eric

1961 - 1. Buddy Rogers (dominant year, set all-time record for biggest single year draw); 2. Argentina Rocca; 3. Johnny Valentine; 4. Pat O’Connor; 5. Bob Orton; 6. The Fabulous Kangaroos, Dick the Bruiser, Argentina Apollo; 9. Cowboy Bob Ellis, Ray Stevens, Fred Blassie and Rikidozan

1962 - 1. Buddy Rogers (dominant year); 2. Ray Stevens; 3. Johnny Valentine; 4. Bobo Brazil; 5. Cowboy Bob Ellis and Pepper Gomez; 7. Fred Blassie, Rikidozan and The Crusher; 10. Wilbur Snyder, Lou Thesz, Johnny Barend and Killer Kowalski

1963 - 1. Bruno Sammartino; 2. Buddy Rogers (should be noted Rogers’ last match of the year was May 17 due to heart problems, was on the way to a dominant year, and he still ended up finishing a close second) and Lou Thesz; 4. Killer Kowalski and Freddie Blassie; 6. The Destroyer; 7. Bobo Brazil and Hans Mortier; 9. Ray Stevens, Edouard Carpentier, Bearcat Wright and Gorilla Monsoon

1964 - 1. Bruno Sammartino (dominant year); 2. Fritz Von Erich; 3. Lou Thesz; 4. Dick the Bruiser; 5. Freddie Blassie and Gene Kiniski; 7. Ray Stevens, Johnny Valentine, Giant Baba, Waldo Von Erich and Gorilla Monsoon

1965 - 1. Bruno Sammartino (dominant year); 2. Cowboy Bill Watts; 3. Fritz Von Erich, Dick the Bruiser, Bill Miller; 6. Lou Thesz, Johnny Valentine, Kinji Shibuya, Toyonobori, Rene Guajardo, Karloff Lagarde, Ray Mendoza

1966 - 1. Lou Thesz; 2. Gene Kiniski; 3. Bruno Sammartino; 4. Fritz Von Erich; 5. Dick the Bruiser; 6. Giant Baba and Johnny Valentine; 8. Ernie Ladd (an impressive total since Ladd only wrestled during the pro football off-season as he was an AFL star player at this point in time), Dory Funk Jr., The Crusher

1967 - 1. Bruno Sammartino; 2. Gene Kiniski; 3. Giant Baba; 4. Mark Lewin; 5. Gorilla Monsoon; 6. The Crusher, Johnny Valentine, Edouard Carpentier, Verne Gagne, Ray Stevens and Toru Tanaka

1968 - 1. Bruno Sammartino; 2. Lou Thesz; 3. Gene Kiniski, Dara Singh, Bobo Brazil and Dick the Bruiser; 7. The Crusher; 8. Giant Baba, Freddie Blassie, Ray Stevens and Mil Mascaras

1969 - 1. The Sheik (dominant year); 2. Bruno Sammartino and Dory Funk Jr.; 4. Ray Stevens; 5. Mad Dog & Butcher Vachon; 7. Ivan Koloff and Bobo Brazil; 9. Jacques Rougeau Sr., Dick the Bruiser and Gene Kiniski

1970 - 1. The Sheik; 2. Bruno Sammartino; 3. Freddie Blassie; 4. Dory Funk Jr.; 5. The Crusher, Mad Dog Vachon and Pat Patterson; 8. Ray Stevens; 9. Gene Kiniski, Dick the Bruiser, Verne Gagne

1971 - 1. The Sheik; 2. Pedro Morales; 3. Freddie Blassie; 4. John Tolos; 5. Dory Funk Jr.; 6. Mil Mascaras; 7. Tiger Jeet Singh; 8. Tex McKenzie, The Crusher, Black Gordman, Bruno Sammartino, Luke Graham & Tarzan Tyler

1972 - 1. The Sheik; 2. Pedro Morales; 3. Ernie Ladd; 4. Dory Funk Jr., Dick the Bruiser & The Crusher, Bruno Sammartino and Pampero Firpo; 8. John Tolos; 9. Killer Kowalski; 10. Black Gordman, Blackjack Lanza, Mil Mascaras and Ray Stevens

1973 - 1. The Sheik; 2. Pedro Morales; 3. Dick the Bruiser; 4. Ernie Ladd; 5. Bruno Sammartino; 6. The Crusher; 7. Johnny Valentine; 8. Dory Funk Jr. and Superstar Billy Graham; 10. Harley Race and Jack Brisco

1974 - 1. Bruno Sammartino; 2. The Sheik; 3. Jerry Lawler; 4. Jack Brisco; 5. Andre the Giant and Valiant Brothers; 7. Chief Jay Strongbow, Don Leo Jonathan; 9. Killer Kowalski, Dick the Bruiser and Jackie Fargo

1975 - 1. Bruno Sammartino (dominant year); 2. Spyros Arion; 3. Jack Brisco; 4. Mongolian Stomper; 5. Andre the Giant; 6. Jerry Lawler; 7. Ivan Koloff; 8. Dick the Bruiser, The Crusher, Robert Fuller, Perro Aguayo

1976 - 1. Bruno Sammartino (dominant year); 2. Antonio Inoki; 3. Superstar Billy Graham; 4. Terry Funk, Ivan Koloff and Stan Hansen; 7. Andre the Giant; 8. Jerry Lawler; 9. Ric Flair and Nick Bockwinkel

1977 - 1. Superstar Billy Graham; 2. Bruno Sammartino; 3. Harley Race and Jerry Lawler; 5. Ken Patera; 6. Dusty Rhodes; 7. The Sheik and Mil Mascaras; 9. Gene & Ole Anderson and Bill Dundee

1978 - 1. Superstar Billy Graham ; 2. Bob Backlund; 3. Dusty Rhodes; 4. Harley Race; 5. Bruno Sammartino; 6. Ric Flair and Andre the Giant; 8. Canek, Ernie Ladd and Ivan Koloff

1979 - 1. Bob Backlund; 2. Harley Race; 3. Ric Flair; 4. Andre the Giant; 5. Bruno Sammartino, Ricky Steamboat and Pat Patterson; 8. Peter Maivia, Ivan Koloff, Nick Bockwinkel and Dusty Rhodes

1980 - 1. Bob Backlund; 2. Bruno Sammartino; 3. Larry Zbyszko; 4. Harley Race and Ken Patera; 6. Andre the Giant; 7. Hulk Hogan; 8. Antonio Inoki; 9. Ric Flair and Stan Hansen

1981 - 1. Bob Backlund (dominant year); 2. Andre the Giant; 3. Ric Flair and Stan Hansen; 5. Hulk Hogan; 6. Sgt. Slaughter; 7. Killer Khan and Nick Bockwinkel; 9. Jerry Blackwell, Harley Race and Dusty Rhodes

1982 - 1. Bob Backlund (breaks Rogers record for most big gates in one year); 2. Ric Flair; 3. Hulk Hogan; 4. Nick Bockwinkel; 5. Jimmy Snuka; 6. Perro Aguayo, Sgt. Slaughter, Roddy Piper and Superstar Billy Graham; 10. Andre the Giant, Junkyard Dog and Ken Patera

1983 - 1. Ric Flair; 2. Bob Backlund; 3. Harley Race; 4. Don Muraco; 5. Sgt. Slaughter; 6. Hulk Hogan; 7. Andre the Giant; 8. Jimmy Snuka; 9. Ricky Steamboat and John Studd

1984 - 1. Hulk Hogan (set all-time record for most big gates in one year); 2. Ric Flair; 3. Antonio Inoki; 4. Iron Sheik; 5. Kerry Von Erich; 6. Andre the Giant; 7. Paul Orndorff and Road Warriors; 9. Junkyard Dog; 10. Nick Bockwinkel and Canek

1985 - 1 Hulk Hogan (set all-time record for most big gates in one year); 2. Ric Flair; 3. Roddy Piper; 4. Paul Orndorff and Road Warriors; 5. Andre the Giant; 6. John Studd; 7. Bob Orton Jr.; 8. Randy Savage and Antonio Inoki; 10. Kevin & Kerry Von Erich

1986 - 1. Hulk Hogan (set all-time record for most big gates in one year); 2. Ric Flair and Paul Orndorff; 4. Road Warriors; 5. Randy Savage; 6. Dusty Rhodes and Nikita Koloff; 7. Roddy Piper and King Kong Bundy; 9. Midnight Express and Tito Santana

1987 - 1. Hulk Hogan (dominant year); 2. Ric Flair; 3. Randy Savage; 4. Kamala; 5. Road Warriors; 6. Dusty Rhodes and One Man Gang; 8. Andre the Giant and Antonio Inoki; 10. Harley Race and Carlos Colon

1988 - 1. Hulk Hogan; 2. Randy Savage; 3. Ric Flair and Andre the Giant; 5. Ted DiBiase; 6. Lex Luger; 7. Big Bossman; 8. Tully Blanchard; 9. Road Warriors, Dusty Rhodes and Carlos Colon

1989 - 1. Hulk Hogan; 2. Randy Savage; 3. Big Bossman; 4. Ultimate Warrior; 5. Big Van Vader; 6. Akira Maeda; 7. Antonio Inoki; 8. Andre the Giant, Carlos Colon and Rick Rude

1990 - 1. Hulk Hogan; 2. Ultimate Warrior; 3. Stan Hansen; 4. Mr. Perfect; 5. Riki Choshu; 6. Konnan and Rick Rude; 8. Big Van Vader, Perro Aguayo and Earthquake

1991 - 1. Hulk Hogan; 2. Ric Flair; 3. Konnan; 4. Perro Aguayo; 5. Sgt. Slaughter; 6. Ultimate Warrior; 7. Tatsumi Fujinami; 8. Undertaker, Genichiro Tenryu and Canek

1992 - 1. Ric Flair; 2. Konnan; 3. Hulk Hogan and Sid Vicious; 5. Cien Caras; 6. Bret Hart; 7. Randy Savage; 8. Vampiro; 9. Davey Boy Smith; 10. Perro Aguayo

1993 - 1. Konnan; 2. Cien Caras; 3. Perro Aguayo; 4. Genichiro Tenryu; 5. Mascara Ano 2000 and El Hijo del Santo; 7. Keiji Muto; 8. Riki Choshu, Love Machine, Octagon and Tatsumi Fujinami (Bret Hart was No. 1 in the United States)

1994 - 1. Konnan; 2. Bret Hart; 3. Shinya Hashimoto; 4. Nobuhiko Takada and Perro Aguayo; 6. Genichiro Tenryu; 7. Antonio Inoki, Owen Hart and Love Machine; 10. Cien Caras, Keiji Muto and Atsushi Onita

1995 - 1. Shinya Hashimoto; 2. Ric Flair; 3. Antonio Inoki; 4. Konnan and Keiji Muto; 6. Perro Aguayo; 7. Masahiro Chono; 8. Mitsuharu Misawa and Cien Caras; 10. Nobuhiko Takada and Diesel

1996 - 1. Nobuhiko Takada; 2. Shawn Michaels; 3. Shinya Hashimoto; 4. Bret Hart; 5. Keiji Muto; 6. Diesel; 7. Ric Flair, Kenta Kobashi, Toshiaki Kawada, Akira Taue, Vader, Genichiro Tenryu, El Hijo del Santo and Riki Choshu

1997 - 1. Shinya Hashimoto; 2. Undertaker; 3. Shawn Michaels; 4. Bret Hart; 5. Naoya Ogawa; 6. Lex Luger and Keiji Muto; 8. Steve Austin; 9. Hulk Hogan; 10. Riki Choshu, Kevin Nash and Mick Foley

1998 - 1. Steve Austin (set all-time record for most big gates in one year); 2. Undertaker; 3. Kane; 4. Mick Foley; 5. The Rock; 6. Bill Goldberg; 7. Hulk Hogan; 8. HHH; 9. Sting; 10. Randy Savage

1999 - 1. The Rock (set all-time record for most big gates in one year); 2. Steve Austin; 3. HHH; 4. Big Show; 5. Kane; 6. Undertaker; 7. Keiji Muto; 8. Bill Goldberg; 9. Ric Flair; 10. Kevin Nash

2000 - 1. The Rock (set all-time record for most big gates in one year); 2. HHH; 3. Kurt Angle; 4. Kane and Chris Benoit; 6. X-Pac; 7. Undertaker; 8. Road Dogg; 9. Naoya Ogawa; 10. Kensuke Sasaki and Chris Jericho

2001 - 1. Steve Austin; 2. The Rock; 3. Kurt Angle; 4. HHH; 5. Undertaker; 6. Chris Jericho; 7. Kane; 8. Kensuke Sasaki, Chris Benoit and Keiji Muto

2002 -1. The Rock; 2. Bob Sapp; 3. HHH; 4. Hulk Hogan; 5. Chris Jericho; 6. Steve Austin; 7. Kazushi Sakuraba; 8. Brock Lesnar; 9. Yuji Nagata and Mirko Cro Cop

2003 - 1. Brock Lesnar; 2. HHH; 3. Kazushi Sakuraba; 4. Big Show and Kurt Angle; 6. Yuji Nagata, Hulk Hogan, Kenta Kobashi, Masahiro Chono, Bill Goldberg, Shawn Michaels and Wanderlei Silva

2004 - 1. HHH; 2. Chris Benoit; 3. Bob Sapp and Eddie Guerrero; 5. Shawn Michaels; 6. La Parka; 7. Randy Orton, Ric Flair and Kenta Kobashi; 10. Shinsuke Nakamura, Cibernetico and Perro Aguayo Jr.

2005 - 1. Kenta Kobashi; 2. HHH; 3. Mistico and Ultimo Guerrero; 5. Atlantis, John Cena and Batista; 8. Rey Bucanero and Cibernetico; 10. Kurt Angle and El Hijo del Santo

2006 - 1. Mistico; 2. Perro Aguayo Jr. and Dr. Wagner Jr.; 4. Atlantis and Black Warrior; 6. John Cena and Negro Casas; 8. Ultimo Guerrero & Rey Bucanero; 9. La Parka, Konnan and Muerte Cibernetico (Mesias)

2007 - 1. John Cena; 2. Mistico; 3. Batista; 4. Randy Orton and Perro Aguayo Jr; 6. Ultimo Guerrero; 7. Dr. Wagner Jr.; 8. Cibernetico; 9. Hector Garza and Great Khali

2008 - 1. Mistico; 2. HHH; 3. Perro Aguayo Jr.; 4. Ultimo Guerrero and Hector Garza; 6. Cibernetico; 7. Zorro and Shocker; 9. Shawn Michaels and Chris Jericho

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Yeah I've seen those numbers before. No doubt that Flair was a big draw back in the day.

Austin/Rock is a complete different discussion and interesting debate. There's a guy over at wrestlingforum.com who's entire existence is predicated on convincing people that The Rock was a bigger draw than Austin. It's pretty comical and the house show gate was one of his arguments (which is valid to be fair). But he would say things like Summerslam 98 was a draw because of Rock/HHH not Austin/Taker. Then you get a PPV buy rate that wasn't very good and he would pin the blame on Austin (including IYH: Rock Bottom, oh the irony).

[TheShizNo1]

Re: WWE Network Discussion Thread

Yo, GB, you can't spoiler that, man? I thought it was never gonna end.

You two are really taking up a page debating the popularity of whatever of freaking Goldberg........let that sink in.

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[PeoplesChampGB]

Re: WWE Network Discussion Thread

Yo, GB, you can't spoiler that, man? I thought it was never gonna end.

You two are really taking up a page debating the popularity of whatever of freaking Goldberg........let that sink in.

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So what? You didn't have to join in the discussion if you didn't want to. One thing I can't stand about this site. Two people are having a discussion (not a flame war) and someone wants to comment about how pointless or stupid a convo is. Then don't join in the discussion. I spoilered it.

[cima]

Re: WWE Network Discussion Thread

Yo, GB, you can't spoiler that, man? I thought it was never gonna end.

You two are really taking up a page debating the popularity of whatever of freaking Goldberg........let that sink in.

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It was moreso a debate of Goldberg's popularity compared to that of Flair's. There's no debating Goldberg's popularity.

[TheShizNo1]

Re: WWE Network Discussion Thread

So what? You didn't have to join in the discussion if you didn't want to. One thing I can't stand about this site. Two people are having a discussion (not a flame war) and someone wants to comment about how pointless or stupid a convo is. Then don't join in the discussion. I spoilered it.

Struck a nerve there, huh?

Regardless of what numbers and essays are thrown out, I can't fathom someone believing Goldberg's popularity was anywhere near that of Flair's.

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