Summerslam: 8/21/16

[ProfessaPackMan]

Re: Summerslam: 8/21/16

I am not saying that you have to agree with everything. Just not be a hypocrite and be consistent in your complaint.

Wasn't talking about your post, was talking about that "You can't win" essay that got written.

And let's be real, when it comes to wrestling...we're all hypocrites here and are rarely consistent with our messages. This is why we're IWC 4 Lyfe.

[King_B_Mack]

Re: Summerslam: 8/21/16

That whole paragraph is hypocrisy. You say it's how it's booked but yet you think the Universal title is crap when it's only been booked one time.

Hypocrisy? Lmao wut? You're arguing that the Universal title is equal to the WWE title based on appearance bro. I'm being realistic and telling you that the way the belt looks isn't a factor in that. The World heavyweight belt wasn't "inferior" to the WWE title belt because it looked different, it was "inferior" because they booked it that way because they are ALWAYS going to put the WWE title above all at the end of the day.

You don't need to make an entirely new belt to make it credible, just don't book it like **** as they did with the big gold. This is the WWE, that's the title that's been there since the company's inception, the entire legacy is behind that WWE title which will always give it a certain level that no other title that they bring around will ever reach. If you seriously think they'd keep the Universal title around over the WWE title then we can just stop this discussion now there's nothing left to say to you.


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[PeoplesChampGB]

Re: Summerslam: 8/21/16

Hypocrisy? Lmao wut? You're arguing that the Universal title is equal to the WWE title based on appearance bro. I'm being realistic and telling you that the way the belt looks isn't a factor in that. The World heavyweight belt wasn't "inferior" to the WWE title belt because it looked different, it was "inferior" because they booked it that way because they are ALWAYS going to put the WWE title above all at the end of the day.

You don't need to make an entirely new belt to make it credible, just don't book it like **** as they did with the big gold. This is the WWE, that's the title that's been there since the company's inception, the entire legacy is behind that WWE title which will always give it a certain level that no other title that they bring around will ever reach. If you seriously think they'd keep the Universal title around over the WWE title then we can just stop this discussion now there's nothing left to say to you.


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The Big Gold Belt already has an inferiority stigma around it. There is nothing they can do to make it on par. Creating a new title was their best course of action. This is the first time in a brand split that we have both main titles created by WWE themselves, instead of a different lineage.

[King_B_Mack]

Re: Summerslam: 8/21/16

The Big Gold Belt already has an inferiority stigma around it. There is nothing they can do to make it on par. Creating a new title was their best course of action. This is the first time in a brand split that we have both main titles created by WWE themselves, instead of a different lineage.

You're not understanding dude, the Universal title is not on par with the WWE title man. It can be a credible title eventually like the World heavyweight was, but it's never going to be on par with the WWE title, just like Smackdown will always be the second show behind Raw. They can take them more seriously than they have in the past, but they aren't ever going to hold the value that that belt and show holds to WWE.


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[PeoplesChampGB]

Re: Summerslam: 8/21/16

You're not understanding dude, the Universal title is not on par with the WWE title man. It can be a credible title eventually like the World heavyweight was, but it's never going to be on par with the WWE title, just like Smackdown will always be the second show behind Raw. They can take them more seriously than they have in the past, but they aren't ever going to hold the value that that belt and show holds to WWE.


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If you are stuck in that mindset, then you are not going to be happy with anything about the brand split.

[King_B_Mack]

Summerslam: 8/21/16

If you are stuck in that mindset, then you are not going to be happy with anything about the brand split.

Here's an idea, stop trying to psychoanalyze me and my enjoyment of the product and tell me how I should feel about things.

A) I've enjoyed the brand split thus far. I was a fan of the last one and didn't want it to end and welcomed this one and feel like other than the belt choice and the drafting process have knocked everything out of the park in this new era and you can see as much in my posts in the discussion threads since the split was announced/speculated.

B) I preferred they either brought back the big gold belt or went in a different design direction than making all titles in the company identical outside of color changes.

C) Look at the rosters of Raw and Smackdown. Look at the decisions of the last brand split. I'm not giving you my mindset, I'm telling you how WWE views things and they've showed you as much already. This is how they do things. Shiny and new gets some love for a little while before the eventually slip back into their same old ****.

D) I was simply speaking on you spouting off this ridiculous narrative that making the belts look alike some how makes them equal. They're only equal in the fact that they are both main event level world titles just as the World heavyweight title was. The WWE title is THE title in professional wrestling. Slapping a different color of paint on a duplicate belt isn't going to give Vince some agonizing conundrum on which one he save from falling in a volcano if he had a gun to his head and was forced to choose.


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[cima]

Re: Summerslam: 8/21/16

Here's an idea, stop trying to psychoanalyze me and my enjoyment of the product and tell me how I should feel about things.

A) I've enjoyed the brand split thus far. I was a fan of the last one and didn't want it to end and welcomed this one and feel like other than the belt choice and the drafting process have knocked everything out of the park in this new era and you can see as much in my posts in the discussion threads since the split was announced/speculated.

B) I preferred they either brought back the big gold belt or went in a different design direction than making all titles in the company identical outside of color changes.

C) Look at the rosters of Raw and Smackdown. Look at the decisions of the last brand split. I'm not giving you my mindset, I'm telling you how WWE views things and they've showed you as much already. This is how they do things. Shiny and new gets some love for a little while before the eventually slip back into their same old ****.

D) I was simply speaking on you spouting off this ridiculous narrative that making the belts look alike some how makes them equal. They're only equal in the fact that they are both main event level world titles just as the World heavyweight title was. The WWE title is THE title in professional wrestling. Slapping a different color of paint on a duplicate belt isn't going to give Vince some agonizing conundrum on which one he save from falling in a volcano if he had a gun to his head and was forced to choose.


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This is why I wanted the big gold belt back, simply because it does have prestige and lineage. Granted I didn't watch between WM XX - Jan 2014 so I didn't see the belt lose a lot of its prestige (from what I've read) over the years, so I may have an unfair view of the title. Regardless though, it's a belt that legends have worn for decades. This Universal title could someday become prestigious in its own right. And I love me some Finn Balor...but him being the first ever champion of a main event title...I'm not so sure about that just yet.

[PeoplesChampGB]

Re: Summerslam: 8/21/16

This is why I wanted the big gold belt back, simply because it does have prestige and lineage. Granted I didn't watch between WM XX - Jan 2014 so I didn't see the belt lose a lot of its prestige (from what I've read) over the years, so I may have an unfair view of the title. Regardless though, it's a belt that legends have worn for decades. This Universal title could someday become prestigious in its own right. And I love me some Finn Balor...but him being the first ever champion of a main event title...I'm not so sure about that just yet.

It lost its prestige way before that. Anyone remember the Russo era? The WCW/NWA debacle from '91-'94? It just needs to go away. You can't just pick and choose its history. I am a big WCW mark, but late 99 to the present it is just a joke.

[Mercury112491]

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How dare wrestling fans not agree with EVERYTHING this company does. [emoji849]

Spare us that "they can't win" nonsense that gets busted out after a Big 4 PPV every year.

No ones saying you have to agree with everything. No one ever says that. Yet this is the exact response that gets trotted out after people get called out for being hypocritical and overly picky.


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[areobee401]

Re: Summerslam: 8/21/16

Rusev vs. Reigns had to be the biggest disappointment of the night for me. After their match on Raw I thought they'd do something special together at SS. Instead we were left with something else, which lead to the main event, which left a disastified feeling when it was all over. Match placement was certainly not how I would have drawn it up.

[King_B_Mack]

Re: Summerslam: 8/21/16

You're right and wrong PeoplesChamp. The WCW title lost prestige but we aren't talking about the WCW title. The World heavyweight title was created specifically for Raw. Triple H was the first person to hold that belt. Yes, they made it identical to the WCW title (which kinda proves my point of how making an identical looking belt doesn't automatically put it on another's level). Anyway, when it was on Raw and booked like a top title that EVERYBODY wanted on Raw it was a valued title that had top credibility. It still wasn't in higher regard to the WWE title because no title will EVER be more important in WWE than the WWE title, they just aren't going to do it. The problem came with the World heavyweight title when they moved it to Smackdown and took the WWE title away from that brand like they did all their best talent.

PeoplesChamp you're confusing credibility and value. The Universal title, like the big gold belt can be credible and important in WWE, especially if they're serious about not making Smackdown the B show again. That I'm not arguing with you. But it won't EVER be as valuable in the company's eyes as the WWE title. Just like Smackdown won't EVER be as valuable to them as Raw. I think they're going to try to take Smackdown serious for the long haul this time, but it will always come second to Raw to them no matter how much more serious they get about it.

[cima]

Re: Summerslam: 8/21/16

Rusev vs. Reigns had to be the biggest disappointment of the night for me. After their match on Raw I thought they'd do something special together at SS. Instead we were left with something else, which lead to the main event, which left a disastified feeling when it was all over. Match placement was certainly not how I would have drawn it up.

They really ****ed themselves with Styles/Cena being arguably a 4.5-5 star classic IN THE MIDDLE OF THE SHOW. Ziggler/Ambrose sucked but the crowd couldn't even get going for Balor/Rollins. Rollins even tweeted this morning that he was disappointed with the crowd.

[areobee401]

Re: Summerslam: 8/21/16

Fixed that.

Michael Cole has been excellent as head Raw commentator since the brand split. Getting him away from JBL and King gave him life again.

[PeoplesChampGB]

Re: Summerslam: 8/21/16

You're right and wrong PeoplesChamp. The WCW title lost prestige but we aren't talking about the WCW title. The World heavyweight title was created specifically for Raw. Triple H was the first person to hold that belt. Yes, they made it identical to the WCW title (which kinda proves my point of how making an identical looking belt doesn't automatically put it on another's level). Anyway, when it was on Raw and booked like a top title that EVERYBODY wanted on Raw it was a valued title that had top credibility. It still wasn't in higher regard to the WWE title because no title will EVER be more important in WWE than the WWE title, they just aren't going to do it. The problem came with the World heavyweight title when they moved it to Smackdown and took the WWE title like they did all their best talent.

PeoplesChamp you're confusing credibility and value. The Universal title, like the big gold belt can be credible and important in WWE, especially if they're serious about not making Smackdown the B show again. That I'm not arguing with you. But it won't EVER be as valuable in the company's eyes as the WWE title. Just like Smackdown won't EVER be as valuable to them as Raw. I think they're going to try to take Smackdown serious for the long haul this time, but it will always come second to Raw to them no matter how much more serious they get about it.

Look up the lineage of the RAW title. You will find that it has the NWA lineage->WCW lineage. Russo/David Arquette is on that lineage.

[areobee401]

Summerslam: 8/21/16

I can't remember the last time I saw a belt on TV and thought about its lineage or prestige. Who's currently holding the title is all I care about.