TLC: Tables, Ladders & Chairs: 12/4/16

[WWF80sKid]

Re: TLC: Tables, Ladders & Chairs: 12/4/16

Not a bad PPV last night. I called the ending of the AJ/Dean match.

I predicted that Alexa would win. Awesome match. I really enjoyed it. And normally I hate Table Matches. I loved the defense both women used.

Miz and Dolph was better than I thought it would be. So was Baron vs Kalisto.

And a No DQ Match WITH count outs is dumb. Carmella is growing on me though.


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[eremiomania]

Re: TLC: Tables, Ladders & Chairs: 12/4/16

I saw the SD where Orton RKO'd Kane, but I must have missed the one where he explained why he would join the Wyatt family because this pairing makes no sense to me.

I enjoyed the PPV but honestly, it's too much imo. When they advertise 3 PPV's on one episode of Raw, it's too much. That's my take anyways.

I hope they put the title on Chinsworth lol. Miz/Ziggler was great. Not sure if I'm in the minority, but I like Corbin. Wouldn't mind seeing him in a title picture.

[TheShizNo1]

Re: TLC: Tables, Ladders & Chairs: 12/4/16

So so so glad Becky isn't the champ anymore. Makes perfect sense for one of the most boring women to lose it to one of the most entertaining.

Who does AJ feud with now?

IDK who thought to put Bray and Orton together and it seems like something that shouldn't work, but I love it. As someone else said earlier, I hope its a long term bigger picture thing.

What's next for Miz?

[Streets]

Re: TLC: Tables, Ladders & Chairs: 12/4/16

Easily could have done the same spot where Dean takes out AJ and get's close to the title and AJ recovers to push the ladder sending him crashing through the tables. No Ellsworth needed.

I agree, it was really poorly booked.

I wish they didn't take the title off him for the month that Ziggler had it. Miz seems like a great guy to give a long run to, and then when he finally loses the title it will be a huge deal because he always seems to weasel his way out of his matches with the title. He's a modern day Honky Tonk Man, but much better in the ring

I didn't like it when Miz lost it to Ziggler for this very reason, made it even worse when Ziggler was a transitional champ. Imagine debuting a new wrestler *cough*Samoa Joe*cough* and having him beat The Miz and end his long reign, kinda like when Warrior beat HTM at Summerslam.

Again, really poor booking. Ziggler had been booked into this corner where they felt they had to give him the win since he had been booked as this loser who can never win "the big one". The funny thing is he's still in the same place he was when the whole feud started, while Miz has used the feud to catapult himself (as Bryan acknowledged on Talking Smack). Really a testament to Miz as the booking only really elevated Miz and Bryan and never did anything for Ziggler but the occasional emotional promo (which admittedly shocked me to see that kind of passion). Miz (and to a lesser extent Bryan) carried it.

Orton joining the Wyatts is a brilliant move for a guy who is a legend that draws and is a main event talent (like Cena) that you don't want taking up main event opportunities from younger guys just yet. Hopefully they take a page from Raw's booking and keep them together longer based on fan reaction (Team Kevin and Chris). This pairing took two people I used to love and stopped caring about and made them relevant again. Well done!

[DJ]

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WWE really needs to figure out its commentary team for Smackdown. Mauro is great, but man, Otunga is almost Rob Bartlett-level bad, JBL is annoying and Tom Phillips ... well, he sits there and plugs the Network a couple of times.

I'd be in favor of Mauro calling matches solo at this point.

[cima]

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WWE really needs to figure out its commentary team for Smackdown. Mauro is great, but man, Otunga is almost Rob Bartlett-level bad, JBL is annoying and Tom Phillips ... well, he sits there and plugs the Network a couple of times.

I'd be in favor of Mauro calling matches solo at this point.

I'm hoping Tom Phillips replaces Otunga and they go back to a 3 man booth. I'd even honestly be fine with a two man of Mauro and JBL. Either way, just make Otunga go away.

[jvalverde88]

Re: TLC: Tables, Ladders & Chairs: 12/4/16

So so so glad Becky isn't the champ anymore. Makes perfect sense for one of the most boring women to lose it to one of the most entertaining.

Who does AJ feud with now?

IDK who thought to put Bray and Orton together and it seems like something that shouldn't work, but I love it. As someone else said earlier, I hope its a long term bigger picture thing.

What's next for Miz?

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[reyes the roof]

Re: TLC: Tables, Ladders &amp; Chairs: 12/4/16

I really liked the atmosphere after the Wyatt match. It's pretty rare you see a guy that they put in big matches like Bray wait so long to win his first title. It seems like the norm is that if you call a guy up and plan on doing big things with him they throw a title on him right away, it was a different feel after the match

[Majingir]

Re: TLC: Tables, Ladders &amp; Chairs: 12/4/16

Anyone think for a split second when Orton came out that they were gonna play his old theme song?

Completely forgot the PPV was today.

I'm only bothering with half the card anyways when I do watch it.

Predictions:
AJ wins(Ellsworth gets involved somehow and "unintentionally" costs Ambrose the match)
Alexa beats Becky
Wyatt Family wins tag titles
Miz beats Ziggler
Nikki beats Carmella
Corbin beats Kalisto

Really 5 out of 6 heels win???


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You were saying?

[Mercury112491]

Re: TLC: Tables, Ladders &amp; Chairs: 12/4/16

How was the Ellsworth thing bad booking? It serves the story they're trying to tell pretty well. The only part that kinda didn't make sense was the timing of when he came out and AJ tossing the ladder aside. But that sorta falls into "whatever it's wrestling". I get that people may be tired of Ellsworth and didn't like the ending. But just cause you don't like it doesn't make it bad booking.


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[Streets]

Re: TLC: Tables, Ladders &amp; Chairs: 12/4/16

How was the Ellsworth thing bad booking? It serves the story they're trying to tell pretty well. The only part that kinda didn't make sense was the timing of when he came out and AJ tossing the ladder aside. But that sorta falls into "whatever it's wrestling". I get that people may be tired of Ellsworth and didn't like the ending. But just cause you don't like it doesn't make it bad booking.


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Bad in that logically it didn't make sense. I literally spelled it out step by step. He didn't have an axe to grind with Dean and just wanted Styles to win, so chooses to come out and distract Styles when he's about to win. It's not about liking or not liking it. It's about the fact they could have had the same outcome but booked it much better from a logic perspective like Punk pointed out.

[Mercury112491]

Re: TLC: Tables, Ladders &amp; Chairs: 12/4/16

Bad in that logically it didn't make sense. I literally spelled it out step by step. He didn't have an axe to grind with Dean and just wanted Styles to win, so chooses to come out and distract Styles when he's about to win. It's not about liking or not liking it. It's about the fact they could have had the same outcome but booked it much better from a logic perspective like Punk pointed out.

Did you watch Talking Smack afterwards? They explained it pretty clearly. Ellsworth even said he had no ill will towards Dean but that he felt he had a better chance against AJ since he "has his number". It sets up the story going into this Tuesday. You literally can not duplicate the story with out Ellsworth showing up. Granted the timing didn't make a ton of sense. I'll give you that.

Unless you're saying that Dean could have been the one on the ladder who gets distracted and jumps down when Ellsworth comes out and they just flip roles so that Ellsworth never actually has to push the ladder? That I think defeats the small character development they've given him. He's got a growing false confidence so he's becoming more and more emboldened. For the story they want to tell I don't see how it plays out differently. Aside from the timing of when Ellsworth comes out.


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[AUChase]

Re: TLC: Tables, Ladders &amp; Chairs: 12/4/16

All I have to say is...


It's about time.


#HeelBliss

[Streets]

Re: TLC: Tables, Ladders &amp; Chairs: 12/4/16

Did you watch Talking Smack afterwards? They explained it pretty clearly. Ellsworth even said he had no ill will towards Dean but that he felt he had a better chance against AJ since he "has his number". It sets up the story going into this Tuesday. You literally can not duplicate the story with out Ellsworth showing up. Granted the timing didn't make a ton of sense. I'll give you that.

Unless you're saying that Dean could have been the one on the ladder who gets distracted and jumps down when Ellsworth comes out and they just flip roles so that Ellsworth never actually has to push the ladder? That I think defeats the small character development they've given him. He's got a growing false confidence so he's becoming more and more emboldened. For the story they want to tell I don't see how it plays out differently. Aside from the timing of when Ellsworth comes out.


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Yes I watched Talking Smack (please reread my OP citing why it's stupid as I reference it). If Ellsworth wanted to ensure he faced AJ he shouldn't have come out at all since AJ had the match won at that point. I don't get how you don't see that as poorly booked. Had Ellsworth not have come out, Styles likely wins, Ellsworth is still number one contender and him and Dean are still friends (and Dean is likely in his corner rather than hunting him down).

[reyes the roof]

Re: TLC: Tables, Ladders &amp; Chairs: 12/4/16

Maybe Ellsworth didn't plan on Styles being so easily distracted that him walking to the ring would cause AJ to pass up grabbing the belt and winning the match, or he was going to attack Ambrose if he made a last second attempt to stop AJ from grabbing the title and winning