Conference Re-Alignment Thread Part Who Knows

[Tovarich]

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Won't ever happen as long as Stanford, UCLA, USC and Cal are members. Any religious school is persona non grata in the PAC-12. Case in point, see BYU. The perfect fit but they are Mormon affliated.

They're not a research institution either. That precludes them. If they were, then insert religious affiliation but the discussion wouldn't have gotten that far without a contribution to research grant money.

[cdawg44]

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SMU is not a religious school like BYU.


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No religious school no matter how religious will ever be a Pac-12 member period. SMU is a great school, but their ties to the UMC however loose now won't fly with academic elites on the west coast

[dickey1331]

No religious school no matter how religious will ever be a Pac-12 member period. SMU is a great school, but their ties to the UMC however loose now won't fly with academic elites on the west coast

If the PAC 12 ever plans on expanding then they will have to loosen their so called restrictions.


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[BurghFan]

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Staying put where?


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In the Mountain West.

Boise State will remain a member of the Mountain West Conference and will not join the Big East in 2013.

The Broncos' decision, confirmed in news releases by the the school and Mountain West on Monday, is the latest crippling blow to the Big East Conference, which has had 14 schools announce they were leaving the league in the past two years.

http://espn.go.com/college-sports/story/_/id/8796807/boise-state-broncos-staying-mountain-west-conference-all

Now it'll be interesting to see what San Diego St. does. I know they've said they're committed to the Big East, but without another western school to pair up with, it seems silly for them to stay now. Then again, this whole conference realignment nonsense is far beyond silly so who knows.

[cdawg44]

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If the PAC 12 ever plans on expanding then they will have to loosen their so called restrictions.


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Basically, they have Zero plans to expand unless it involves Texas. No Texas, no dice for the Pac-12. They have no reason to at this point. They have their own Network that is already widely distributed (sans AT&T and Direct TV), schools will get 25 million per year per school by 2020 and there are no schools freely able to move that add any value to the tv deal. SMU, Houston don't give you the kind of bang for the buck that Texas and OU does and that's before we even discuss the religious school thing. BYU could add a lot, but they won't ever get in.

The Pac-12 and Big 12 won't expand unless it is the perfect school and perfect match. The B1G is the only big league hot and heavy to get to 16 and heck they may hold off now because the ACC is so unstable they may end up getting Notre Dame with UNC or Georgia Tech. Everybody else is going to wait and see including the Pac-12 who has no need for 16 unless they get a bunch more money for it.

[dickey1331]

Basically, they have Zero plans to expand unless it involves Texas. No Texas, no dice for the Pac-12.

If everyone else is expanding to 14-16 teams then PAC 12 will too.

If they had zero plans then why have SMU and the PAC 12 been in talks. I'm not saying it would happen as its a long shot but they have talked.


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[T-Moar]

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If the PAC 12 ever plans on expanding then they will have to loosen their so called restrictions.


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Not really. How many religious institutions are in the Big 5 as it stands?
I can think of 4:
Baylor, BC, Syracuse, and Duke.
That's less than one per conference, and 3 of them are in the ACC. It's pretty easy to exclude religious schools if that's a conference's thing.

On that note, just damn it all.

[T-Moar]

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Basically, they have Zero plans to expand unless it involves Texas. No Texas, no dice for the Pac-12. They have no reason to at this point to expand. They have their own Network that is already widely distributed (sans AT&T and Direct TV), schools will get 25 million per year per school by 2020 and there are no schools freely able to move that add any value to the tv deal. SMU, Houston don't give you the kind of bang for the buck that Texas and OU does before we even discuss the religious school thing. BYU could add a lot, but they won't ever get in.

Are we talking Texas as in "University of"? Or as in "State of"? Please, tell me it's the latter.

[cdawg44]

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If everyone else is expanding to 14-16 teams then PAC 12 will too.

If they had zero plans then why have SMU and the PAC 12 been in talks. I'm not saying it would happen as its a long shot but they have talked.


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I'm sure they have, just like UNC and the B1G have takled too. Everybody is going to do their due diligance. In the end, the Pac-12 isn't going to move unless Texas or maybe Oklahoma makes the first move. The Pac-12 has talked to many schools including Boise about what it would take for them to get in, it doesn't mean anything. SMU joining is just another mouth to feed that doesn't add the value needed to expand at this point. Even if it did happen, the Cali schools would probably roll out and take a nice chunk of that tv value with them. Bottom line the Pac-12 isn't going to 14 or 16 in the near future.

[cdawg44]

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Are we talking Texas as in "University of"? Or as in "State of"? Please, tell me it's the latter.

University of Texas at AUSTIN.

[dickey1331]

Not really. How many religious institutions are in the Big 5 as it stands?
I can think of 4:
Baylor, BC, Syracuse, and Duke.
That's less than one per conference, and 3 of them are in the ACC. It's pretty easy to exclude religious schools if that's a conference's thing.

On that note, just damn it all.

I was talking about academics too since they almost took Texas Tech which has terrible academics.

Plus you are missing a lot of other religious schools

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[Tovarich]

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Other teams going to 14 or 16 in no way requires the PAC 12 to do anything. Adding more teams takes money away from everyone else. It doesn't make the conference better to have 14. It just means they'd have 2 more teams. The Big 10 is not a better conference because it added Maryland and Rutgers football. It added them because they are profitable to television contracts. There is no school out west outside of Texas that would do that. Just because Boise State plays good football, does not mean that every school should give up a couple million dollars a year to have them.

[cdawg44]

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I was talking about academics too since they almost took Texas Tech which has terrible academics.

Plus you are missing a lot of other religious schools

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Tech and Okie State were just filler to get Texas and OU. Trust, if they weren't package deals, they wouldn't have gotten invites. The Pac-12 had no interest in Tech and OSU, but they knew they were must haves for Texas and Oklahoma just allow their state legislatures to sign off.

The Pac-12 ideal scernio would be at 12 with Texas and Colorado and kick Utah to the curb.

[dickey1331]

Other teams going to 14 or 16 in no way requires the PAC 12 to do anything. Adding more teams takes money away from everyone else. It doesn't make the conference better to have 14. It just means they'd have 2 more teams. The Big 10 is not a better conference because it added Maryland and Rutgers football. It added them because they are profitable to television contracts. There is no school out west outside of Texas that would do that. Just because Boise State plays good football, does not mean that every school should give up a couple million dollars a year to have them.

It doesn't require them but they will eventually go to 14-16 teams.


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[Tovarich]

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Cdawg has it right. There is no expansion without Texas. Texas didn't want to share money with Washington State and wouldn't give up the Longhorn Network, so it didn't happen. Oklahoma practically begged to be let in last year and were pretty much told there is no reason to without Texas.