Conference Re-Alignment Thread Part Who Knows

[Pokes]

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I don't understand why any school would waive their rights in this case. What is the benefit of giving up whatever small amount of power and leverage you have in this situation?

The superconference will happen eventually. But all the kicking and screaming isn't going to make any of these smaller schools attractive to anyone.

[rspencer86]

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The superconference will happen eventually. But all the kicking and screaming isn't going to make any of these smaller schools attractive to anyone.

So the Big East would pass on Kansas or Kansas State because they reserved their right to file suit? Not buying it.

I doubt anything significant will come out of these lawsuits, but just the power to slow down the process might put a school in position to benefit financially if A&M wants to get back on the fast track.

[Pokes]

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So the Big East would pass on Kansas or Kansas State because they reserved their right to file suit? Not buying it.

I doubt anything significant will come out of these lawsuits, but just the power to slow down the process might put a school in position to benefit financially if A&M wants to get back on the fast track.

More so Baylor and ISU.

[coogrfan]

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The superconference will happen eventually. But all the kicking and screaming isn't going to make any of these smaller schools attractive to anyone.

Are you suggesting that Baylor and Iowa State might somehow wind up more SOL than they are now?

[choadler]

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Are you suggesting that Baylor and Iowa State might somehow wind up more SOL than they are now?

No, doubt. Considering A&M agreed to a 10 year deal and Baylor would be getting roughly $15M a year. That is $150M they stand to lose because A&M backed out of its contract.

Not only that, they lose a home for all of their olympic sports, further damaging them with extra travel.

[TDenverFan]

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Kansas and K-State? Kansas could get to most conferences, and they'd be dragging K-State with them... Granted K-State is no slouch, with both a great basketball and a better than Kansas football team.

[Tovarich]

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good article by wilner today on Texas not coming west because of cultural differences and the west-coast centric conference being too far away from Texas, not the LHN

I've gone back and forth on the PAC-Megatron. Hated it last year, accepted it this year because it seemed inevitable. I don't want Texas in the PAC anymore. They cause far too much drama. I could maybe get behind Okie/Okie State/Kansas/Missouri. I don't mind if the PAC stays at 12 one bit-I don't care if everyone goes to 16 but us. 21M per school per year and a PAC network projected to make 10M per school in 3-5 years is just fine.

[Tovarich]

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On the note of Baylor, what exactly do they expect to accomplish? Texas A&M will under no circumstance come back to the Big 12. They've left the conference. They'll go Independent before they go crawling back. Baylor can't actually sue Texas A&M-they can only sue the SEC really-same reason Mike Leach was essentially not allowed to sure Texas Tech. They want money because they know they're about to get demoted to the Mountain West? Maybe. But it's not saving the conference, might as well move on. But Ken Starr loves this legal stuff though.

[BunnyHardaway]

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If I'm the Big XII I try to add SMU/Boise/Houston/Rice and try and save face, but it looks like the beginning of the end for the conference.

[Brandwin]

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On the note of Baylor, what exactly do they expect to accomplish? Texas A&M will under no circumstance come back to the Big 12. They've left the conference. They'll go Independent before they go crawling back. Baylor can't actually sue Texas A&M-they can only sue the SEC really-same reason Mike Leach was essentially not allowed to sure Texas Tech. They want money because they know they're about to get demoted to the Mountain West? Maybe. But it's not saving the conference, might as well move on. But Ken Starr loves this legal stuff though.

http://collegefootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/09/07/other-big-12-schools-to-join-baylor-in-legal-action/

The more people I talk to today, the more I’m convinced Baylor — as well as ISU, KSU and Kansas — is fully aware that it will not be able to stop A&M from heading to the SEC. What this does do, however, is fire a shot across Oklahoma’s bow — and the Pac-12′s as well — warning them that this is what awaits if you and Oklahoma State and Texas and Texas Tech attempt to leave for another conference and, effectively, fire the fatal bullet into the Big 12′s head. This is not an attempt to get A&M back in the Big 12 fold, per se, but rather an attempt to rein in Oklahoma et al.
It’s almost like a game of chess; Baylor’s using this move to set up something a couple of moves ahead. In the end it won’t matter, however, as the Baylor Four will still find themselves on the wrong end of a checkmate, regardless of how many judicial hoops they make A&M jump through to get to the SEC or how difficult they make it on OU et al to go to the Pac-12 — if that’s where they want to be, of course.
UPDATED 5:28 p.m. ET: And, just as we had hit the “Publish” button on this post, we find out what the end game really is. And how many schools it actually involves.
From the Waco Tribune-Herald:

Baylor was among six Big 12 schools that will not sign a waiver to allow Texas A&M to go to the Southeastern Conference following a meeting of the Big 12 presidents Wednesday afternoon, a source close to Baylor told the Tribune-Herald.
The other schools were Kansas, Kansas State, Texas Tech, Iowa State and Missouri.
If Oklahoma reaffirms its commitment to the Big 12, the schools are expected to sign the waiver that would allow the Aggies to go to the SEC without any legal action. The Sooners, who are reportedly considering a move to the Pac-12, are expected to make their decision within the next two weeks.

[tHurley2010]

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What a mess, I'm glad Nebraska was pro active and left before the conference began to cave. And all you guys may say this and that until the cows come home but at the end of the day, Nebraska and Colorado are the only schools formerly of the Big XII to be secure in where they are going.

[choadler]

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On the note of Baylor, what exactly do they expect to accomplish? Texas A&M will under no circumstance come back to the Big 12. They've left the conference. They'll go Independent before they go crawling back. Baylor can't actually sue Texas A&M-they can only sue the SEC really-same reason Mike Leach was essentially not allowed to sure Texas Tech. They want money because they know they're about to get demoted to the Mountain West? Maybe. But it's not saving the conference, might as well move on. But Ken Starr loves this legal stuff though.

Texas A&M might not be able to go independent. They would lose all revenues from the Big 12 this year and they have no television deals set in place. A&M does not get many broadcasts, I think they had 6 games broadcast last year. They may get more next year, but no one knows what their team is going to look like.

Not sure they can afford this. Additionally sitting out one year does not mean that Baylor can't still sue the SEC if and when Texas A&M joins the SEC. Don't think that there is a statute of limitations on this.

There was a quote coming from an SEC presidents (Vanderbilt) that indicate they want nothing to do with litigation.

[cdawg44]

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So does this all this mess probably mean Mizzou isn't going to the SEC then? I wouldn't think the SEC would have the appetite to deal with this whole thing again with another Big 12 school

[choadler]

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So does this all this mess probably mean Mizzou isn't going to the SEC then? I wouldn't think the SEC would have the appetite to deal with this whole thing again with another Big 12 school

Probably not. I would think the SEC will go after an ACC school.

[Redacted01]

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Those six or however many schools can sue the SEC all they want. A&M announced they were leaving before the SEC ever offered any invitation... come to think of it, the SEC still has not offered an invitation because of this mess. There may be a settlement, but it would be just a small dent to the SEC, who would be on their way to 14, 15, 16 teams at that point. Meanwhile, the Big 12 (I really wish people would quit putting XII; it's not that name) would be in shambles.