Conference Re-Alignment Thread Part Who Knows

[simgamer0005]

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Dude, Boise and Fresno have only played 15 times all time. They weren't in the same conference until 2001...

Yeah, Boise State joined the WAC in 2001. That's a fair point, but how about San Diego State, Wyoming, Colorado State, etc? even BYU (now and independent) is considering a return to the MWC to play their old WAC rivals more.

The point is these teams have more in common and have more history, whether it's 10 years, 20 years or longer, then they have with the Big East!

[Rocky]

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You would not have heard about Rutgers making a move to the B1G ten until recently. Rutgers AD, Tim Pernetti, has been in constant contact with the B1G offices. He plays his cards close.

As for UNC, North Carolina is a growing state. The B1G is growing. They want to have their brand in North Carolina.

Yes they are a Chicago based conference, but they are looking to expand their footprint. That is why they are now looking to make a splash in New York, DC, and beyond.

UNC is a perfect fit because it is a prestigous university, it is an AAU member, it would expand the B1G market, and it has an outstanding athletic history. It is a perfect fit on all fronts.

UNC to the B1G just won't happen unless the ACC just completely dissolves. UNC will be the LAST team to leave the ACC...I can assure you that. It just won't go from being the big fish in a small pond to just another fish. Think Texas with the PAC-12...UNC is basically Texas-lite.

[p_rushing]

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UNC to the B1G just won't happen unless the ACC just completely dissolves. UNC will be the LAST team to leave the ACC...I can assure you that. It just won't go from being the big fish in a small pond to just another fish. Think Texas with the PAC-12...UNC is basically Texas-lite.

Yep the ACC is literally made up of UNC grads. They will go down with the ship. I can't see Swofford saying the ACC is fine while he makes a deal to get UNC out of it.

UNC also provides no money for a conference. Sure their basketball team is almost always top 25, but ESPN doesn't pay for that. 20% of the ACC/ESPN TV deal was used as a gross over valuation of the entire ACC basketball rights. With UNC being down for over a decade in football, they are another school that would just be used to expand markets.



The way I see it, the ACC has 3 teams of value to increase a TV deal (FSU, Clemson, and UM). UM not because of results on the field or in the stands, but the total national viewers they get each week. ND can also be included, but I don't see them joining any conference unless the BCS goes away and you have to be one of the major conferences to get into a playoff. NBC will also throw money at them.

VT would be valuable, but if they are tied to UVA, they I don't see any conference wanting both of them when they only need 2-4 teams to get to 16.


It would be nice if UNC left for the B1G, because then the ACC would just fold and FSU could open bidding.

It is going to be interesting to see what the SEC does. Based on previous rumors and actions, I do think NC State will end up there. They have a football team that is similar to the 2 teams they just brought in, i.e. potential to be top 15 once every 5-10 years, but not good enough to upset the balance with the current power teams in the SEC.

I don't see the SEC telling UF and USC to shut up for the good of the conference and let FSU and Clemson join.

[lonewolf371]

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Yep the ACC is literally made up of UNC grads. They will go down with the ship. I can't see Swofford saying the ACC is fine while he makes a deal to get UNC out of it.

UNC also provides no money for a conference. Sure their basketball team is almost always top 25, but ESPN doesn't pay for that. 20% of the ACC/ESPN TV deal was used as a gross over valuation of the entire ACC basketball rights. With UNC being down for over a decade in football, they are another school that would just be used to expand markets.



The way I see it, the ACC has 3 teams of value to increase a TV deal (FSU, Clemson, and UM). UM not because of results on the field or in the stands, but the total national viewers they get each week. ND can also be included, but I don't see them joining any conference unless the BCS goes away and you have to be one of the major conferences to get into a playoff. NBC will also throw money at them.

VT would be valuable, but if they are tied to UVA, they I don't see any conference wanting both of them when they only need 2-4 teams to get to 16.


It would be nice if UNC left for the B1G, because then the ACC would just fold and FSU could open bidding.

It is going to be interesting to see what the SEC does. Based on previous rumors and actions, I do think NC State will end up there. They have a football team that is similar to the 2 teams they just brought in, i.e. potential to be top 15 once every 5-10 years, but not good enough to upset the balance with the current power teams in the SEC.

I don't see the SEC telling UF and USC to shut up for the good of the conference and let FSU and Clemson join.

North Carolina to the Big Ten would be how the whole mess ends. If this realignment stuff is to continue, I just see the next thing as being Clemson and Florida State to the Big 12. After that, Virginia Tech and someone else to the SEC. Then, I think you could see the Big Ten go after Virginia and maybe North Carolina. If it starts looking like the ACC collapse is a real thing, those schools would rather throw their lot in with the Big Ten than the SEC due to academics, I believe.

[simgamer0005]

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North Carolina to the Big Ten would be how the whole mess ends. If this realignment stuff is to continue, I just see the next thing as being Clemson and Florida State to the Big 12. After that, Virginia Tech and someone else to the SEC. Then, I think you could see the Big Ten go after Virginia and maybe North Carolina. If it starts looking like the ACC collapse is a real thing, those schools would rather throw their lot in with the Big Ten than the SEC due to academics, I believe.

the problem is that the conferences as they are now have no significance. it's simple math. the bigger the top conferences get (Big"10", SEC), the smaller other conferences get. there's no balance. if you rewind to a few years ago, there was healthy competition. the BigTen, BigXII, SEC, Pac10, they were all kinda close to the same level. even the ACC and Big East, while they were a step behind in football, they had a step up in basketball. it was even and balanced. and as we've seen in sports gaming, competition enhances quality. When EA had a rival in 2K, the quality of both products were enhanced. (some say NFL2K5 is still the best NFL game). I still prefer the Madden and NCAA football games from that era to what is now on 360.

and if you look beyond the competition aspect of re-alignment, and just look at it in terms of matchups, and how the conference season unfolds, you have a much more watered down product. i remember when the ACC had only 9 teams, and it was awesome, especially in college basketball. each team played each other twice, home and away, every season. there was balance, and it was fair. you knew at the end who deserved to be called the best team.

i think in this day and age, the conference seasons are so patched together, and so unbalanced, that you don't always know who the best team is at the end of the regular season. now many conferences have these ridiculous conference championship games, where most of the time the two best teams aren't in it, and college basketball has conference tournaments where automatic ncaa bids are given. if you look at these conferences after all these re-alignment, you just look at how many teams are in a conference vs how many games they play during the regular season, and you just don't have enough games to crown a true champion with all the teams in them. you have matchups that carry no significance in place of actual rivalries. i mean Rutgers - Michigan, Maryland - Iowa, really? for those of us that grew up where college football really mattered, where you took pride in winning your conference and rooting for your team week in and week out, how do you reconcile this? you can't, no amount of $$$ justifies what is going on. i've read countless articles about re-aiignment that suggest that this is all about : money. i think that's the lamest excuse in the book, besides "media markets". i think what is driving this re-alignment is not money or media markets, but rather stupidity, and a disregard for tradition and the average fan. no marginal increase in money is worth this kind of madness.

[SC3BBall]

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UNC to the B1G just won't happen unless the ACC just completely dissolves. UNC will be the LAST team to leave the ACC...I can assure you that. It just won't go from being the big fish in a small pond to just another fish. Think Texas with the PAC-12...UNC is basically Texas-lite.

We'll see.

"Four BCS conference coaches and administrators I talked to Tuesday said they think the Big Ten is actively hunting for members 15 and 16, and mentioned the Tar Heels and Jayhawks."

Don't forget, Delaney is a UNC alum. I'm sure he wants them. UNC and the B1G have already been in contact.

[cdawg44]

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We'll see.

"Four BCS conference coaches and administrators I talked to Tuesday said they think the Big Ten is actively hunting for members 15 and 16, and mentioned the Tar Heels and Jayhawks."

Don't forget, Delaney is a UNC alum. I'm sure he wants them. UNC and the B1G have already been in contact.

The only issue is that if the B1G wants KU and UNC, they may have to go to 18 to make it happen. When the Big 12 almost imploded, Kansas and Kansas State were basically a package deal. UNC and Duke are basically joined at the hip too because of how much money ESPN makes around that rivalry during the spring. While I think the UNC/Duke rivalry is a little overrated and for sure overexposed by ESPN, there are way too many eyeballs on those 2 and in a lot of years 3 matchups that ESPN won't wanna lose out on. UVA/VA Tech are in the same boat because of legislative politics. Now, I don't know a lot about Virginia politics but this seems to be a very hard factor to overcome.

UVA/ VA Tech isn't similar to Texas/Texas A&M, because A&M was only able to get out after Tech's and Baylor's future was safe when ESPN guaranteed the tv deal and the league promised UT its own network.

Bottom line it will be UNC/Duke or Kansas/K State, but not UNC/Kansas.

[superjames1992]

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How can KU leave the Big 12 with the GOR deal in place?

[cdawg44]

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How can KU leave the Big 12 with the GOR deal in place?

Exactly. That is why the Big-10, Pac-12, Big 12 and soon the SEC (after the network starts) will be rock solid and stable from defections.

UNC isn't going anywhere without Duke and UVA isn't going anywhere without the Hokies, unless the Hokies have a spot guaranteed in the SEC.

[LionsFanNJ]

I really don't think anyone from the ACC will be moving anytime soon. The caveat though is if the Big East totally dissolves as a football conference then there is possibly some things that could add to the ACC, but the remaining BE teams won't bring much for them outside of increased prowess in basketball. Besides link was said too many teams are attached at the hip there.

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[cdawg44]

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There is a rumor breaking out on Florida State message boards that Louisville, UCONN and Cincy may all be moving to the ACC. Don't know if this is true, but if so....

[p_rushing]

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There is a rumor breaking out on Florida State message boards that Louisville, UCONN and Cincy may all be moving to the ACC. Don't know if this is true, but if so....

If this happens, FSU should leave.

[cdawg44]

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If this happens, FSU should leave.

The rumor is, FSU and your administration is the one who wanted them all. They can now renegioate and close the gap in tv money with the top 4 leagues. FSU's hands is all over this.

[TDenverFan]

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If this happens, FSU should leave.

Why? That does nothing but solidify the conference. It expands the ACC into new media markets and adds both Football and Basketball wise.

[p_rushing]

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The rumor is, FSU and your administration is the one who wanted them all. They can now renegioate and close the gap in tv money with the top 4 leagues. FSU's hands is all over this.

FSU admin are idiots, so I don't doubt that. They cannot close the gap in TV money when you are adding nothing in football. UL is ok, the rest are garbage and will further bring down the ACC.