Penn State Scandal Thread

[ehh]

Re: Penn State Football - Jerry Sandusky Arrested, AD Tim Curley Charged

According to the PA Statutes, school administrators and teachers are mandatory reporters when they know of child abuse. It also says at the top that the list includes, but is not limited to the people noted. I would assume that school coaches would be considered mandatory reporters.

Semi-related, but I work for an IT consulting firm and we're required by law to report any child pornography we find on client's machines to police.

[OSUFan_88]

Re: Penn State Football - Jerry Sandusky Arrested, AD Tim Curley Charged

I do know what it feels like to be abused... and the fact is every1 is responsible with nothing is said... period...

being that it was in a public space (showers)... doesn't alter my feeling that unless threatened with violence... you must speak up... some goes for the staffer the saw it...

to me this is much diff than being a victim at home.. where there isn't a place to go...

Because you have a lot of options to move when you are being pinned up against the shower by a man twice your size...

Come on man.

[legendkiller5]

Re: Penn State Football - Jerry Sandusky Arrested, AD Tim Curley Charged

So wait, let me get this straight. People on this board are actually condoning thinking about your "career" ahead of children being raped? Un-freakin-believable. No way, no how is that okay. If you hold your career in that high esteem, your priorities are WAY out of whack.

You know, people sit here and call people like Jackdog an armchair hero and how hindsight is 20/20, heat of the moment and whatnot.

I wonder if opinions of those would change if it was their child who was one of the future victims of Sandusky. Would those same people be so quick to defend the GA's decision to put his career ahead of a deviant act, knowing if the GA reported what he saw to the police, that more than likely their child (hypothetically speaking still) would not have been raped.

It may be easy to sit here and say what you would do in that situation when you obviously aren't, but it's also easy to sit behind a computer screen and defend the GA when your child wasn't a future victim. Just my .02.

And people seriously need to stop telling others who they haven't met what they would or wouldn't do in a certain situation. That's so ******* annoying.

[Perfect Zero]

Re: Penn State Football - Jerry Sandusky Arrested, AD Tim Curley Charged

You know, people sit here and call people like Jackdog an armchair hero and how hindsight is 20/20, heat of the moment and whatnot.

I wonder if opinions of those would change if it was their child who was one of the future victims of Sandusky. Would those same people be so quick to defend the GA's decision to put his career ahead of a deviant act, knowing if the GA reported what he saw to the police, that more than likely their child (hypothetically speaking still) would not have been raped.

It may be easy to sit here and say what you would do in that situation when you obviously aren't, but it's also easy to sit behind a computer screen and defend the GA when your child wasn't a future victim. Just my .02.

And people seriously need to stop telling others who they haven't met what they would or wouldn't do in a certain situation. That's so ******* annoying.

We aren't dealing with hypothetical here. We're talking about the incident as it took place. The person who saw this happen went to a higher up, trusted that person to do the right thing, and dealt with it as that. You can't just use fear to stir up emotions and beat the war drums; that's how vigilante justice starts.

[legendkiller5]

Re: Penn State Football - Jerry Sandusky Arrested, AD Tim Curley Charged

We aren't dealing with hypothetical here. We're talking about the incident as it took place. The person who saw this happen went to a higher up, trusted that person to do the right thing, and dealt with it as that. You can't just use fear to stir up emotions and beat the war drums; that's how vigilante justice starts.

Of course you don't want to, because you know exactly how you would feel and how much drastically different it would be than the current stance.

He trusted that person to do the right thing and nothing happened. Dude just got off clean and can be a predator to more boys. Dang, oh well, at least I tried.

Absolutely unreal.

[Perfect Zero]

Re: Penn State Football - Jerry Sandusky Arrested, AD Tim Curley Charged

Of course you don't want to, because you know exactly how you would feel and how much drastically different it would be than the current stance.

He trusted that person to do the right thing and nothing happened. Dude just got off clean and can be a predator to more boys. Dang, oh well, at least I tried.

Absolutely unreal.

But I'm not the father of these kids. I'm not the kid being raped. I'm not the predator. I'm not the coach that didn't go on with the investigation. I'm not the kid that saw the action. Put yourself in one of these actor's situations; it's not all black and white now is it?

You know what's absolutely unreal? People are already on this student acting as if he was the predator himself? You have no clue what the situation was. Absolutely none, and don't go around pretending you do. You can't just grab a pitchfork and torch and march yourself down to State College, you have to let justice take its course. Otherwise, you might as well disassociate yourself from the system that we have fought to protect.

[legendkiller5]

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But I'm not the father of these kids. I'm not the kid being raped. I'm not the predator. I'm not the coach that didn't go on with the investigation. I'm not the kid that saw the action. Put yourself in one of these actor's situations; it's not all black and white now is it?

You know what's absolutely unreal? People are already on this student acting as if he was the predator himself? You have no clue what the situation was. Absolutely none, and don't go around pretending you do. You can't just grab a pitchfork and torch and march yourself down to State College, you have to let justice take its course. Otherwise, you might as well disassociate yourself from the system that we have fought to protect.

I didn't know 28 years old still qualified you as a 'kid' these days. Hmm.

It's black and white to me. A kid was being raped, but I guess I shouldnt expect ant differently. I don't care or need you, OS' resident rocket scientist or anyone else to tell me what I would do in any situation, just because it's what you or most do.

I have no clue what the situation was ? It seems pretty clear from the fallout and from charges being filed against people, along with higher ups at State College stepping are stepping down.

Who said anything about the GA being a predator? Please, find and quote where anyone in this thread said that. Who said anything about rioting? Or taking justice into my own hands? Where are you getting ANY of this from? Is going to the police taking justice into your own hands? At this point you're making stuff up.

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Re: Penn State Football - Jerry Sandusky Arrested, AD Tim Curley Charged

Because you have a lot of options to move when you are being pinned up against the shower by a man twice your size...

Come on man.

there is absolutely no evidence that this child was pinned. 1st of all...

2nd of all... if the child was pinned doesn't mean he couldn't open his mouth later to tell what happened... especially since he'd be all of 20yr old now...

3rd... It's outrageous to think any1 in this whole thread would blame the child for this... so lets just stop that crap... (I'm not pointing this at you OSUfan)

It very sad what happened... but lets be clear.. the lack of communication allows this horror to continue... mind you this went on for yrs. after it was identified...

[rangerrick012]

Re: Penn State Football - Jerry Sandusky Arrested, AD Tim Curley Charged

From big-time college football to the Catholic church to Wall Street to government agencies, you'll find that people almost always choose to cover their *** and protect their jobs (and friends) rather than do the right thing.

Blowing the whistle is the exception to the rule. The fact that Paterno, deemed by many to be the Gold Standard for how a football coach ought to conduct himself, isn't immune to it should tell you something. Because I'm fairly certain that despite all this, Paterno remains a good and decent person. It's not like he's gonna rip off a mask to reveal that he's John Wayne Gacy underneath. All the charming things you read about JoePa in the past aren't suddenly all lies.

Sandusky was Paterno's colleague (and one would assume friend) for over three decades. So imagine someone coming up to you and telling you that your friend of 30 years was raping a kid in the shower. Would you believe it? Would you want to believe it? Probably not the first time you hear it. Would you go to the police? What if the grad assistant was wrong and your friend's life is ruined because of a misunderstanding? You might not even want to explore the matter further because you can't tolerate the idea of someone you trusted doing such monstrous things. I think the reason Paterno went to his AD and didn't go to the cops is because it provided him with the chance to have it both ways. This way, he was able to "report" it, without having to be the person who takes the significantly braver step of actually calling the police. Problem solved. Conscience cleared.

That a great deal of people chose to do nothing after that is proof of how easily a cover-up can spontaneously take root and linger. We'd all like to think we'd do the noble thing when faced with such a seemingly obvious choice. The truth is, we might not. It's impossible to read the Sandusky allegations and not get a vivid mental image of what took place. It's enough to make you want to throw up, and I say that as someone who had a near miss with this sort of thing. It's enough to make you cry out for blood and ask why no one did anything. The outrage comes naturally. But underneath that outrage, there is a real sadness and fear, the idea that "good" people can still be hard-wired for self-preservation, even when faced with the ugliest truths. Even JoePa. Even you.

http://deadspin.com/5857014/jerry-sa...e?popular=true

[Chip Douglass]

Re: Penn State Football - Jerry Sandusky Arrested, AD Tim Curley Charged

It's black and white to me. A kid was being raped, but I guess I shouldnt expect ant differently. I don't care or need you, OS' resident rocket scientist or anyone else to tell me what I would do in any situation, just because it's what you or most do.

Ok dude, we clearly view this situation very differently and we'll agree to disagree. I'm not sure why you had to insert a personal barb.






......on a completely different note, here's Jerry Sandusky's autobiography:




There really is a special place in hell for this guy.

[rangerrick012]

Re: Penn State Football - Jerry Sandusky Arrested, AD Tim Curley Charged

there is absolutely no evidence that this child was pinned. 1st of all...

2nd of all... if the child was pinned doesn't mean he couldn't open his mouth later to tell what happened... especially since he'd be all of 20yr old now...

3rd... It's outrageous to think any1 in this whole thread would blame the child for this... so lets just stop that crap... (I'm not pointing this at you OSUfan)

It very sad what happened... but lets be clear.. the lack of communication allows this horror to continue... mind you this went on for yrs. after it was identified...

Your first two statements don't jive with the third...you're saying you're not blaming the child but then are saying there's 'no proof he was pinned' and he could have come out and said something about it? You're ignoring the psychological damage that occurs when someone in power abuses said power in the worst of ways.

[Perfect Zero]

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I didn't know 28 years old still qualified you as a 'kid' these days. Hmm.

I was making a general statement about the student. You're looking way too deep into this one.

It's black and white to me. A kid was being raped, but I guess I shouldnt expect ant differently. I don't care or need you, OS' resident rocket scientist or anyone else to tell me what I would do in any situation, just because it's what you or most do.

And yet your telling me to think of the child as my own son. I'm not telling you to make up a situation or to play hypotheticals; I'm telling you to look at this from all angles. You're only looking at it from one narrowminded view.

I have no clue what the situation was ? It seems pretty clear from the fallout and from charges being filed against people, along with higher ups at State College stepping are stepping down.

Unless you can give me a detailed report of what exactly happened, then no, you don't know the exact situation. I don't even know exactly what happened even after reading some of the grand jury testimony. This will bring me to the next quote...

Who said anything about the GA being a predator? Please, find and quote where anyone in this thread said that. Who said anything about rioting? Or taking justice into my own hands? Where are you getting ANY of this from? Is going to the police taking justice into your own hands? At this point you're making stuff up.

I think you are the one that's really digging deep for mud that isn't there. I said that people making assumptions from only looking at one angle starts the kindle for vigilante justice. I never once said that there would be riots, and I never said that you personally were going to go down and do whatever you thought I was telling you to do. Stop throwing mud that isn't there.

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Your first two statements don't jive with the third...you're saying you're not blaming the child but then are saying there's 'no proof he was pinned' and he could have come out and said something about it? You're ignoring the psychological damage that occurs when someone in power abuses said power in the worst of ways.

how the heck does the lack of proof equate to blame... OSU says he was pinned.. is if he couldn't get away... no1 knows if he was retrained.... so OSU's post is moot...

but I used his conjecture anyway to say that any abuse has to be reported for the sake of preventing more abuse...

I'm not ignoring anything... other than the fact that silence hurts every1...

[legendkiller5]

Re: Penn State Football - Jerry Sandusky Arrested, AD Tim Curley Charged

I was making a general statement about the student. You're looking way too deep into this one.



And yet your telling me to think of the child as my own son. I'm not telling you to make up a situation or to play hypotheticals; I'm telling you to look at this from all angles. You're only looking at it from one narrowminded view.



Unless you can give me a detailed report of what exactly happened, then no, you don't know the exact situation. I don't even know exactly what happened even after reading some of the grand jury testimony. This will bring me to the next quote...



I think you are the one that's really digging deep for mud that isn't there. I said that people making assumptions from only looking at one angle starts the kindle for vigilante justice. I never once said that there would be riots, and I never said that you personally were going to go down and do whatever you thought I was telling you to do. Stop throwing mud that isn't there.

I'm on my iPad so it's too difficult to do all tha multiple-quote stuff, but anyways.



I get it, but you keep calling him a kid. Why.

What other angle should I look at it from? He witnessed a child being raped in the shower. Please tell me what angles I need to look at it from. maybe I'm missing something.

Obviously there's nothing concrete there, so officials at State College are just resigning for reasons unrelated to this breaking story, I guess.

I still don't even know where this idea of vigilante justice originated, anyways. Somehow someone reporting a crime to the police and not to a coach turned into taking justice into your own hands...still confused on that one. The reason why I brought up the hypothetical in the first place, was to explain why I would act the way I would. You know, consider others as well as myself.


And to Chip, apparently you have an issue with that since you told a user you'd bet cash money on him doing something different in the heat of the moment.

[Perfect Zero]

Re: Penn State Football - Jerry Sandusky Arrested, AD Tim Curley Charged

OK, if you refuse to read my posts and try to understand my points, then I'm not going to argue this any further. All the answers to your last post are in my previous reply, and at this point it's almost as if your leading me into a bating type situation.