Is the SEC really that dominant or overrated???

[lonewolf371]

Re: Is the SEC really that dominant or overrated???

This has been the recent argument people have been using, and sadly, everytime bowl season happens, it has shown that the majority of the time, those rankings were warranted.

By what metric? The ACC had the same bowl winning percentage as the SEC last year. The Big 12 had a better winning percentage in 2011-2012. The Big East was the only power conference to post a winning percentage above .500 in 2010-2011. The Big East also had a better winning percentage in 2009-2010. This perception is fabricated and fuelled only by the national championship games. In 2012, we couldn't even look at that because the system was so broken as to allow Alabama in.

[Amoo316]

Re: Is the SEC really that dominant or overrated???

http://www.secsportsfan.com/top-college-football-bowl-conference.html

Please also read the rankings of the SEC teams that lost vs the rankings of the teams that beat them.

Keep in mind I have never said the SEC wins EVERY bowl game. #1 vs #1, #2 vs #2, #3 vs #3....etc they hold the advantage. A lot of losses end up coming #2 vs SEC #4...etc.

Just look at last year. Florida was NOT the #2 team in the SEC and I'm a Florida fan. Clemson was #2 ACC, LSU was 3rd-5th depending since they didn't play UGA or USC.

Edit: 11-12 was the year people were mad OSU got shafted then blew their bowl game against Stan and KState went on to get bombed by Arkansas and you bring up the B12 had a better bowl record? This was after the #1 and #2 teams in the SEC battled it out for the MNC. Come on now.

[buickbeast]

Re: Is the SEC really that dominant or overrated???

2005 Texas over USC

That was the last time the SEC didn't win the BCS NC

There has been a few times when an SEC team has gotten beaten by an non-SEC team. But the majority of the time, the SEC teams win.

[UWfan206]

Re: Is the SEC really that dominant or overrated???

This has been the recent argument people have been using, and sadly, everytime bowl season happens, it has shown that the majority of the time, those rankings were warranted.

U seriously believe that...?

[Amoo316]

Re: Is the SEC really that dominant or overrated???

U seriously believe that...?

You seriously think we need to have this conversation again? Look at last year. Take the final AP rankings I honestly believe the top 10 teams are slotted properly. That puts 5 SEC teams in the top 10. You can try to say Louisville should be ahead of Florida and who is ahead of FSU and Clemson, but the transitive property does not apply to college football.

So 5 SEC teams, 2 Pac 12 teams, tOSU, FSU and ND.

Since Louisville beat Florida should they automatically be above FSU and Clemson? Keep in mind Florida drummed FSU. Would you try to argue the Big East was tougher then the ACC last year? Louisville lost to Uconn and Syracuse

[salmonsobriquet734]

Re: Is the SEC really that dominant or overrated???

They are that dominant. But they also play by a different set of rules. The set of rules that produced USC's powerhouse squads and turned Oregon into a contender. Now that Ohio State's playing by those rules as well it will be a little more interesting.

They also have a couple of inherent advantages. Typically the best college football teams are in the middle of nowhere. It's a lot easier to be a big fish in Tuscaloosa than Manhattan. And, I can see how that would appeal to a kid. Not to mention the hostesses, free passes on crime, lower admissions standards Vanderbilt aside etc.

[lonewolf371]

Re: Is the SEC really that dominant or overrated???

http://www.secsportsfan.com/top-coll...onference.html

Please also read the rankings of the SEC teams that lost vs the rankings of the teams that beat them.

Keep in mind I have never said the SEC wins EVERY bowl game. #1 vs #1, #2 vs #2, #3 vs #3....etc they hold the advantage. A lot of losses end up coming #2 vs SEC #4...etc.

Just look at last year. Florida was NOT the #2 team in the SEC and I'm a Florida fan. Clemson was #2 ACC, LSU was 3rd-5th depending since they didn't play UGA or USC.

Edit: 11-12 was the year people were mad OSU got shafted then blew their bowl game against Stan and KState went on to get bombed by Arkansas and you bring up the B12 had a better bowl record? This was after the #1 and #2 teams in the SEC battled it out for the MNC. Come on now.

The Big Ten has the same problem. Are we going to adjust the Big Ten's bowl record because they always play teams slotted above them? The SEC sets up and schedules these bowls. If you're going to look at bowl records; look at bowl records.

Or you could do the best thing and look at stuff like this:

http://www.footballoutsiders.com/stats/fei

Which still confirms the SEC is on top, but it's a far better metric to use than bowl records.

[Sportsforever]

Re: Is the SEC really that dominant or overrated???

We can have this discussion every year, but all that has to happen is for an Oregon, a ND, or whoever to show up and beat an SEC team in the title game. Until that happens, this is going to be a pointless discussion.

[seasprite]

Re: Is the SEC really that dominant or overrated???

Conference pride is silly............especially from teams who have been the doormat of the conference for years

[TripleCrown9]

Re: Is the SEC really that dominant or overrated???

Conference pride is silly............especially from teams who have been the doormat of the conference for years

Awfully big coattails.

[Amoo316]

Re: Is the SEC really that dominant or overrated???

Conference pride is silly............especially from teams who have been the doormat of the conference for years

It puts a smile on my face every year when the familiar faces start reappearing on this forum again.

[seasprite]

Re: Is the SEC really that dominant or overrated???

It puts a smile on my face every year when the familiar faces start reappearing on this forum again.

Get your wood away from me.....................

[Amoo316]

Re: Is the SEC really that dominant or overrated???

The Big Ten has the same problem. Are we going to adjust the Big Ten's bowl record because they always play teams slotted above them? The SEC sets up and schedules these bowls. If you're going to look at bowl records; look at bowl records.

Or you could do the best thing and look at stuff like this:

http://www.footballoutsiders.com/stats/fei

Which still confirms the SEC is on top, but it's a far better metric to use than bowl records.

I only brought up bowl records because dude was using rankings which determine bowl seeding. Either way did you just argue and say my bowl records were garbage, then say use this instead but you're still right?

[Amoo316]

Re: Is the SEC really that dominant or overrated???

Get your wood away from me.....................

OT

Spoiler

Put up your team thread, interested to see some thoughts and ask some questions with the new regime

Calm down sparky, there will be plenty of time for tussle in late September

[football200414]

Re: Is the SEC really that dominant or overrated???

By what metric? The ACC had the same bowl winning percentage as the SEC last year. The Big 12 had a better winning percentage in 2011-2012. The Big East was the only power conference to post a winning percentage above .500 in 2010-2011. The Big East also had a better winning percentage in 2009-2010. This perception is fabricated and fuelled only by the national championship games. In 2012, we couldn't even look at that because the system was so broken as to allow Alabama in.

Bowl winning percentages are a bad stat to use. Have you ever taken a close look at the bowl match-ups? In most SEC bowls the other conference they're playing assigns the bid to a higher-ranked team in their conference (i.e. the #3 team in another conference might play the #6 team in the SEC). Not to mention, our best team has yet to play in the Sugar Bowl in 7 years because they were playing in the title game. In 2011-12, our we had a loss out of the gate because the country's & SEC's #1 & #2 were playing each other in the title game. Point is - bowl records are bad stat because of the match-ups and other factors.