Week 8 Discussion

[TripleCrown9]

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I don't think you understood my point at all, which is sort of par for the course I guess.

So is this post.

*Tries to understand point while reading over box scores for last year's games against Hawaii, UCF, Penn State, Maryland and especially Rutgers*

[Sportsforever]

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So is this post.

*Tries to understand point while reading over box scores for last year's games against Hawaii, UCF, Penn State, Maryland and especially Rutgers*

You get that he's trying to say it's a stupid move for a coach because he opens his players up to injury unnecessarily. It has nothing to do with sportsmanship...not even sure why you are bringing that up.

[TripleCrown9]

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You get that he's trying to say it's a stupid move for a coach because he opens his players up to injury unnecessarily. It has nothing to do with sportsmanship...not even sure why you are bringing that up.

And I'm saying that Franklin did it this game because Harbaugh did it last year. A player can get unnecessarily injured at any point in the game. If he pulls all the starters and puts in the 3rd string, and that quarterback tears something kneeling it or handing if off, is it still on the coach?

[Sportsforever]

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And I'm saying that Franklin did it this game because Harbaugh did it last year.

I know...but you are making seem as if he was complaining about sportsmanship when he never insinuated that at all.

[kehlis]

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And I'm saying that Franklin did it this game because Harbaugh did it last year. A player can get unnecessarily injured at any point in the game. If he pulls all the starters and puts in the 3rd string, and that quarterback tears something kneeling it or handing if off, is it still on the coach?

Did he?

May want to look at the play by play from last year.

Michigan passes a total of two times once they went up 28-3.

Unless you expect them to kneel every play I'm not sure what else they could have done differently.

[WaitTilNextYear]

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So is this post.

*Tries to understand point while reading over box scores for last year's games against Hawaii, UCF, Penn State, Maryland and especially Rutgers*

There's a difference between being a total physical mismatch for a team while running a standard offense and scoring a ton of points in the process, on the one hand, and going hurry up when it's victory formation time in the 4th quarter and trying to get a predetermined number of points on the other. You may want to look a little closer than the box scores to truly get the point, eh?

[TripleCrown9]

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I know...but you are making seem as if he was complaining about sportsmanship when he never insinuated that at all.

This certainly sounds like he's complaining about sportsmanship.

Can't say I'm surprised with how that one went overall. A little disappointed in the Michigan defense (especially the DL which got stalemated pretty much), but Penn State made a lot of good plays so hats off to those guys. The Michigan defense can't be expected to drag the offense through the entire season so there was bound to be a letdown at some point.

Onus is still on Michigan's offensive braintrust to come up with some sort of scheme that this team and these specific players can execute and be successful with. Either that, or it's 7-5 here we come and with not even being competitive against Ohio State. That would be a very disappointing YEAR 3.

Also, James Franklin better be careful about his continuing to run up the score in situations that don't call for it. This is now at least twice this season where the average coach kneels on it whereas Franklin did not. He's gonna get his star players hurt in the long run with these immature "statements" he's trying to make.

Well, leaving your star players out there to throw with 7 seconds left in a 42-13 game is just asking for your QB to get picked up and driven into the ground with an Aaron Rodgers special. So, no, being a strategically decent sport is not the "dumbest thing in sports." It benefits your team to do so.

What's to keep your QB from being picked up and driven into the ground with an Aaron Rodgers Special on, say, the 3rd drive of the game? If it happens at the end, when you're down by a lot, it's because the defensive players got upset and decided to take it out on him.

[SPTO]

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I just looked at the box score of the USC/ND game. Holy hell, the Golden Domers took em to the wood shed!

[TripleCrown9]

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There's a difference between being a total physical mismatch for a team while running a standard offense and scoring a ton of points in the process, on the one hand, and going hurry up when it's victory formation time in the 4th quarter and trying to get a predetermined number of points on the other. You may want to look a little closer than the box scores to truly get the point, eh?

Meh, whatever. I don't see beating Rutgers 78-0 in front of their home crowd as being a strategically decent sport.

[WaitTilNextYear]

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Meh, whatever. I don't see beating Rutgers 78-0 in front of their home crowd as being a strategically decent sport.

If you were to look a bit closer, you'd understand how Michigan scored their points in the 2nd half of that Rutgers game. The final 4 TDs were all runs, many from 30-40 yards out. I remember Michigan playing their 2nd and even 3rd string for the entire 2nd half in that game. Rutgers couldn't stop a high school team that day. Same thing happened to Ohio State when they played Rutgers the week before and laid 58-0 while only scoring once in the 4th quarter.

Nobody is arguing about absolute margin of victory. There are always going to be huge mismatches. The point of contention is when a coach can choose to just end the game and collect the win and instead chooses not to. Because "statements" need to be made.

[TripleCrown9]

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If you were to look a bit closer, you'd understand how Michigan scored their points in the 2nd half of that Rutgers game. The final 4 TDs were all runs, many from 30-40 yards out. I remember Michigan playing their 2nd and even 3rd string for the entire 2nd half in that game. Rutgers couldn't stop a high school team that day. Same thing happened to Ohio State when they played Rutgers the week before and laid 58-0 while only scoring once in the 4th quarter.

Nobody is arguing about absolute margin of victory. There are always going to be huge mismatches. The point of contention is when a coach can choose to just end the game and collect the win and instead chooses not to. Because "statements" need to be made.

I guess I'm just big fan of coaches and players that decide to make "statements". Hell I've seen Les Miles kneel the ball, as the visiting team, with almost 5 minutes left in the game, which was just as bold of a move as scoring again.

In other news, Derrius Guice is the first running back in SEC history to record 3+ games of 250 rushing yards.

It was the 5th 250-yard game in LSU history, and 3rd against Ole Miss (2004- Alley Broussard-250, 2016- Leonard Fournette- 284, 2017-Derrius Guice- 276).

[superjames1992]

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I guess I'm just big fan of coaches and players that decide to make "statements". Hell I've seen Les Miles kneel the ball, as the visiting team, with almost 5 minutes left in the game, which was just as bold of a move as scoring again.

In other news, Derrius Guice is the first running back in SEC history to record 3+ games of 250 rushing yards.

It was the 5th 250-yard game in LSU history, and 3rd against Ole Miss (2004- Alley Broussard-250, 2016- Leonard Fournette- 284, 2017-Derrius Guice- 276).

LOL, when Les kneeled it four downs in a row up 52-3 on Ole Miss on first and goal with five minutes left a few years ago was epic.

[z Revis]

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I just looked at the box score of the USC/ND game. Holy hell, the Golden Domers took em to the wood shed!

Damn you missed it?! We played as well as you could expect but USC shot themselves in the foot a number of times. Great win though. I wish that Georgia game happened later in the year because this team seems to get better each week. Still though we control our own destiny I feel like.


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[TripleCrown9]

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LOL, when Les kneeled it four downs in a row up 52-3 on Ole Miss on first and goal with five minutes left a few years ago was epic.

One of my favorite Les moments. Even better that it happened in Oxford.

[LowerWolf]

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I know Harbaugh is a good coach...he's already proven it many times over. He sure hasn't looked it this year, though. Just absolutely horrendous play calling, piss poor discipline, and a tendency to play down to opponents. I didn't expect that for year 3 of JBH.

I love Harbaugh, but is it possible he's one of those coaches with a ceiling? He did a fantastic job turning Stanford around. He did a fantastic job turning the 49ers around. He's done a fantastic job turning Michigan around. But that next step seems to allude him.

And his teams seem to come up short in big games. The 49ers didn't fare well against the Seahawks with him; Michigan hasn't fared well against its rivals. And as a 49ers fan, I still feel like we let at least one NFC championship and a Super Bowl get away.