If you think the CPU cheats. If you believe in "comeback code" Video for you

[BleacherCreature]

Re: If you think the CPU cheats. If you believe in "comeback code" Video for you

EXCELLENT POST!

I agree.

[reddawg60]

Re: If you think the CPU cheats. If you believe in "comeback code" Video for you

well after reading this thread..that settles it for me, no ncaa football for me this year

to the OP i hope you enjoy the hell out of the game!! as said before thats what its made for

as for many of the others....i pity the hell out of ya, if you think your something because you can play a GAME on the hardest level......

shakes head...

[jdawg131]

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To those making fun of me playing on Varsity: I played the game on AA and Heisman when I first got it. I used a few different set of sliders and still felt like I was seeing things that should not happen. I saw slower guys running down faster guys and a few other things that made me believe the modifiers given to the CPU on those levels was something that detracted from "pure football".

I'm with you man. I want "pure football" at all times. I played with your sliders (on *VARSITY* as well) and the catch up AI appeared to be a little better. Unfortunately, I haven't had much time to play NCAA 10 lately with gr18's updated 2K5 roster and the Madden demo out now (I'm an NFL guy). Boasting about how great you are on a video game forum (or any forum for that matter) is pretty pathetic. I understand that some people want the ultimate challenge, but I want the ultimate "sports" game. Like I've said many times, I've lost my fair share of games in 2K5 and PES (5 is particular painful on me due to my reliance on speed and attack). Give me a great and realistic game any day.

[UATide]

Re: If you think the CPU cheats. If you believe in "comeback code" Video for you

Careful, you may have just insulted your top 3 date candidates for this weekend.

[IRISHFBFAN1]

Re: If you think the CPU cheats. If you believe in "comeback code" Video for you

well after reading this thread..that settles it for me, no ncaa football for me this year

to the OP i hope you enjoy the hell out of the game!! as said before thats what its made for

as for many of the others....i pity the hell out of ya, if you think your something because you can play a GAME on the hardest level......

shakes head...

Going to miss a hell of a game but thats up to you, lot of bashers on here are wanting you to say no to this game and you are playing right into their hands. Several, and I know for a fact don't even play NCAA. Shame these people get on here and do this to people like you. This is a very special game, hate you will be missing it

[Kriech23]

Re: If you think the CPU cheats. If you believe in "comeback code" Video for you

The CPU definitely "juices" on the harder settings. Just too many WTF moments to really say that it does not. If playing on a certain level is to your liking, go for it. After all, you spent your money to buy the game, play it however you want I say.

I do have a kind of good one though, for those who realize that the game on the higher difficuties is a big fat cheater:

Was playing earlier on Heisman default sliders. I was playing the CPU in an exhibition match. CPU got out to a 3 score lead, but, undaunted by the computer's treachery, I managed to claw my way back into the game and finally took the lead with under a minute to play.

CPU gets the kickoff, breaks about 3 tackles to get the ball into my territory. Gets the ball down to my 34 yard line and stops the clock with about 8 secs left to play.

I am feeling pretty good, since the CPU's kicker is rated only an 80 overall and had 78 KPW and 86 or 88 KAC (I mistakenly thought this would favor me, since it has to make a 51 yard FG in order to win the game.).

Ball is on the left Hash. CPU lines up for the kick, I call a timout and get the Kicker iced over. Now, you would think that with the low KPW and being iced, there is no way the CPU can hit it from that distance. Well, you would think wrong, as the CPU booted it through the uprights with ease. Would have been good from 60 with a few yards to spare.

I just shook my head, smiled a bit and laughed as I thought to myself once again, "The more things change, the more they really do stay the same.".

I know how you feel man. Not at the end of the game but I was playing, I think Western Michigan at home with VT. Second or Third year of my dynasty. There kicker rated 78. They get down to the 46 going in with 5 seconds left. Call a timeout and bring on their kicker. I think there is no way he makes a 63 yarder. But there was no doubt. It was probably good from 70+. I just don't get it. Then some games a kicker rated over 90 playing at their place misses a 36 yarder and 42 yarder in the same game. I just don't get it. The longest in NCAA history is 65 yards. 78 overall kickers should not be able to kick 63 yarders with ease. I could understand if the kicker was 91 overall with 94 KPW and 88 KAC. These little things just take away from the realism of the game.

[BlyGilmore]

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For starters, please don't play on Heisman and then complain about unrealistic football. Heisman level isn't supposed to be realistic. In fact you are playing on the level that is intentionally made more realistic to make it more challenging.

(At least on one hand its more challenging - on the other its Remedial Teambuilding since your team matters a lot less so you can do a horrible job recruiting and have it not matter as much).

So if you are playing Heisman, that might be why.

If you are playing on AA, you're not doing a good enough job varying your defensive looks or adapting to the computer getting more aggressive trying to get back in the game. And you are doing the same thing on the offensive side of the ball, running the same plays or the same kinds of plays in the same situations.

Those with varied game plans and the ability to move the ball in a number of different ways, as well as stop the offense using a wide range of tactics, never has a problem with the so-called Comeback Code.

The big problem here IMO is the "Comeback Code" crowd taking themselves out of consideraton when trying to find the problem.

IMO if you feel the game starting to slip away in a "Comeback Code" fashion, your best remedy is to pull a George Costanza. Go to pick your play like you would normally do. Then pick the EXACT OPPOSITE of that play. Want to pitch right? Then throw a short slant to the TE over the middle. Going to run a slant pass to the left? HB Dive. All out blitz? Run the Nickel play that only rushes two DTs and everybody else plays zone.

[BlyGilmore]

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I honestly don't know if there is "comeback code" but I would NOT be surprised if there is to try and keep more games competitive.

What I do believe is there is overriding individual game code that determines the nature of each game. For example, the CPU seems to predetermine if a game will be a defensive game, a run-fest, a pass-fest, or CPU goin' off on you.

If not, each game would play similarly to team/player ratings, you could play a CPU versus CPU matchup 10 times and see a similar contest. But that's never been what occurs.

I don't know if the code goes so far to actually predetermine the "personality" of the game before its played. That sounds like a bit of a stretch and its really more of the momentum aspect going one way or the other.

I do think (and the Sports Guy has written about this in the past) they added code a few years back to try and make it very tough for teams to go 16-0 by having the occasional game where everything that could go wrong does. We've all had those games where from the first snap anything that can go wrong does.

In NCAA I also wonder if ratings are largely thrown out the door for rivalry games in a dynasty. I played Duke as UNC and they played way over their heads from the opening kick-off - despite being a Cs across the board team.

[Roggie]

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For starters, please don't play on Heisman and then complain about unrealistic football. Heisman level isn't supposed to be realistic. In fact you are playing on the level that is intentionally made more realistic to make it more challenging.

(At least on one hand its more challenging - on the other its Remedial Teambuilding since your team matters a lot less so you can do a horrible job recruiting and have it not matter as much).

So if you are playing Heisman, that might be why.

If you are playing on AA, you're not doing a good enough job varying your defensive looks or adapting to the computer getting more aggressive trying to get back in the game. And you are doing the same thing on the offensive side of the ball, running the same plays or the same kinds of plays in the same situations.

Those with varied game plans and the ability to move the ball in a number of different ways, as well as stop the offense using a wide range of tactics, never has a problem with the so-called Comeback Code.

The big problem here IMO is the "Comeback Code" crowd taking themselves out of consideraton when trying to find the problem.

I believe in comeback code. I've seen it. I mix up my play calls, run at least 5 or 6 plays out of every offensive set I have (counting the I normal, strong, and twins as separate sets). I have at least 30-40 defensive plays I run if not more. But I still see a comeback code written in the game. They just do the impossible sometimes, and the fact that it's sometimes is why I believe in the code. If it was once or twice per game, I wouldn't care. But once or twice a season? Come on.

[BlyGilmore]

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I believe in comeback code. I've seen it. I mix up my play calls, run at least 5 or 6 plays out of every offensive set I have (counting the I normal, strong, and twins as separate sets). I have at least 30-40 defensive plays I run if not more. But I still see a comeback code written in the game. They just do the impossible sometimes, and the fact that it's sometimes is why I believe in the code. If it was once or twice per game, I wouldn't care. But once or twice a season? Come on.

Varying your playcalling doesn't mean different sets for formations. It means different types of plays. Running five or six plays out of the different sets is meaningless if you always run to the strong side, never run between the Cs and Gs, throw the ball to three or four different spots and always tend to do the same thing on the same down. If you always run to the "wide" side of the field, it can be stopped.

[Roggie]

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Varying your playcalling doesn't mean different sets for formations. It means different types of plays. Running five or six plays out of the different sets is meaningless if you always run to the strong side, never run between the Cs and Gs, throw the ball to three or four different spots and always tend to do the same thing on the same down. If you always run to the "wide" side of the field, it can be stopped.

No, I run a ton of different things. Why would I run 6 runs up the gut from the same set? Is anyone really going to do that? I'm going to run up the gut more than to the outside because of the skill set of my RBs, but I'll run up the gut and to the strong and weak side. Sure, all my passing plays have someone running a corner or slant, but that's because my team has so little speed I have to have someone coming across the middle or running a corner to keep the D honest.

[NoDakHusker]

Re: If you think the CPU cheats. If you believe in "comeback code" Video for you

whether you or anyone else doesn't think that 'comeback AI' exists, i think it does.
I've played NCAA for a long time and have played hundreds upon hundreds of games. 'Comeback AI' is there or something like it. The CPU QB could be throwing 45% the whole game and all of the sudden the CPU is trailing by 7 late in the 4th and the QB goes 6/6 70 yards in a minute, and that has happened in numerous games to me. How often does that happen IRL? not very often at all.
Now you might say 'don't hate the game, hate the player' blah blah blah. No. That's my opinion and it's based on experience. If you think I'm wrong, whatever. I know what I see, and I see comeback AI.