Is Dynasty ruined down the road?

Collapse

Recommended Videos

Collapse
X
 
  • Time
  • Show
Clear All
new posts
  • NDAlum
    ND
    • Jun 2010
    • 11453

    #91
    Re: Is Dynasty ruined down the road?

    Originally posted by joejccva71
    You are missing the point. There wasn't an arguement that PROGRESSION was or wasn't broken. Our point is that EA made it so the recruited players ratings are too low. It's not just Awareness. Progression is fine. This isn't the NFL where even if ratings were low (if the potential was there) you still had a nice young player who had 10-15 years of football ahead of him to progress.

    If there is a taper and drastic drop off of A and B rated teams after simming 8-10 years of dynasty then there is a problem and it solidifies our point even further about the recruits ratings. In 20 years of simming there still wouldn't be any A teams, and barely any B teams, mediocre C teams and ALOT of D teams.

    This is not only NOT realistic, but it kills the dynasty game mode. Also what does this do for those that like importing their draft classes into Madden 11? It's not happening.
    100% agree with what I'm seeing. Progression is fine...in 2015 there were 90 players rated 90+.

    The issue is people being rated in the 40's. Just browsing through the rosters...I found Penn St. had their HB's all rated in the 40s. This is in 2015 & their QB is a 91. All three HBs are freshmen. I could understand having HBs in the 60s that were freshmen because all the upperclassmen left.

    So yea 44 OVR with 72 speed as PSU's starting tailback. Basically the average OSer could beat out that guy!
    SOS Madden League (PS4) | League Archives
    SOS Crew Bowl III & VIII Champs

    Atlanta Braves Fantasy Draft Franchise | Google Docs History
    NL East Champs 5x | WS Champion 1x (2020)

    Comment

    • Pogo27
      MVP
      • Jul 2009
      • 1632

      #92
      Re: Is Dynasty ruined down the road?

      Originally posted by dalecooper
      Basically yes. Most teams are average, some teams are good or bad, a few teams are great or awful. It's not a precision curve but that is about how it goes. More to the point, that's how we as gamers should WANT it to go - the game where a handful of sharks beat up on an armada of weaklings is not the game I want to play (on either side of the equation).
      While some of the best teams in the non BCS conferences can easily put themselves up there with the BCS teams, for the most part, most BCS teams easily dismantle the rest of the non-BCS teams. There are 65 BCS teams, which leaves 55 non-BCS teams.

      I think the initial teams, while possibly overrated across the board, are rated pretty well relative to how good they are in real life. Does a graph of the initial team ratings produce a bell curve? If not, then a graph of the teams 20 simmed years down the road should not produce a bell curve.

      Essentially... the gap between say Alabama and Mississippi State, for example, is not nearly as big as the gap between Mississippi State and say Tulane, where Alabama is the best team. Mississippi State is one of the worst SEC teams, and Tulane is one of the worst teams in the game.
      Last edited by Pogo27; 07-22-2010, 12:50 PM.

      Comment

      • Michgantown
        Rookie
        • Jun 2010
        • 329

        #93
        Re: Is Dynasty ruined down the road?

        AWN ratings

        93-91 2
        90-85 24
        84-80 66

        Comment

        • hazey
          Pro
          • Mar 2008
          • 723

          #94
          Re: Is Dynasty ruined down the road?

          Originally posted by Pogo27
          This doesn't seem too ridiculously terrible. Alabama is still an A- 16 seasons in. Clearly there is a drop but it's not like it continues to drop.

          On the flip side, at least when I import draft classes into Madden at this time, 75% of the players with a top 2-3 round talent level will come from Alabama, it's like I can create my own Alabama NFL team.

          Comment

          • NDAlum
            ND
            • Jun 2010
            • 11453

            #95
            Re: Is Dynasty ruined down the road?

            I must say though, the sim stats look pretty good to me. Heisman winners aren't always QB's which is nice as well.

            Gonna see what it looks like it 2016. I'll give you the Awareness breakdown I see.
            SOS Madden League (PS4) | League Archives
            SOS Crew Bowl III & VIII Champs

            Atlanta Braves Fantasy Draft Franchise | Google Docs History
            NL East Champs 5x | WS Champion 1x (2020)

            Comment

            • dalecooper
              Rookie
              • Jun 2003
              • 490

              #96
              Re: Is Dynasty ruined down the road?

              Originally posted by Pogo27
              I think the initial teams, while possibly overrated across the board, are rated pretty well relative to how good they are in real life. Does a graph of the initial team ratings produce a bell curve? If not, then a graph of the teams 20 simmed years down the road should not produce a bell curve.
              Look at the graphs I posted previously. Yes, the initial teams start off as basically a bell curve (with a little variance). Realistic or not, I think this makes the game more fun.

              Comment

              • OSUFan_88
                Outback Jesus
                • Jul 2004
                • 25642

                #97
                Re: Is Dynasty ruined down the road?

                I don't see a problem with these ratings at all...JMHO.

                The ones that Michigantown just posted seem just like what they should be. Few elite teams and more bad teams. I like the sizable gap between teams.

                Realistically, I think more games should have ratings like that. Especially in games that deals with College sports.
                Too Old To Game Club

                Urban Meyer is lol.

                Comment

                • Pogo27
                  MVP
                  • Jul 2009
                  • 1632

                  #98
                  Re: Is Dynasty ruined down the road?

                  Originally posted by OSUFan_88
                  Realistically, I think more games should have ratings like that. Especially in games that deals with College sports.
                  You should try 2k sports games.

                  Comment

                  • Special27K
                    Pro
                    • Feb 2009
                    • 554

                    #99
                    Re: Is Dynasty ruined down the road?

                    Originally posted by joejccva71
                    You are missing the point. There wasn't an arguement that PROGRESSION was or wasn't broken. Our point is that EA made it so the recruited players ratings are too low. It's not just Awareness. Progression is fine. This isn't the NFL where even if ratings were low (if the potential was there) you still had a nice young player who had 10-15 years of football ahead of him to progress.

                    If there is a taper and drastic drop off of A and B rated teams after simming 8-10 years of dynasty then there is a problem and it solidifies our point even further about the recruits ratings. In 20 years of simming there still wouldn't be any A teams, and barely any B teams, mediocre C teams and ALOT of D teams.

                    This is not only NOT realistic, but it kills the dynasty game mode. Also what does this do for those that like importing their draft classes into Madden 11? It's not happening.
                    All I can agree with is that it does ruin the importing of draft classes for anyone that does that. My point was that "It's all relative" as in though the recruits aren't as good top teams still have an equal edge over the middle of the road teams for the simple fact that they recruit from the same pool of recruits.

                    The difference between the good teams and bad teams in 2020 compared to 2010 is the same or near the same, the only thing differing between them is 2010 Team #1 is a 96 and 2010 Team #2 is a 86 while 2020 Team #1 is a 87 and 2020 Team #2 is a 77.

                    Me bringing up awareness solely had to do with defensive gameplay really and kickers are bad, those are the only things I really would complain about personally.

                    I'm not saying disagreeing with you per se, you're reasoning is completely right for you and my reasoning is just as right for me. Its just another view. Giving you something else to "ponder." (Does that qualify as a college football pun?)
                    GT: TheHippySteve

                    Comment

                    • Michgantown
                      Rookie
                      • Jun 2010
                      • 329

                      #100
                      Re: Is Dynasty ruined down the road?

                      players overalls in 90s
                      QB 8
                      HB 6
                      FB 2
                      WR 4
                      TE 4 in the 80s
                      LT4
                      LG 2
                      C 6
                      RG 5
                      RT 8
                      LE none
                      RE1
                      DT 6
                      LOLB 2
                      MLB 1
                      ROLB 5
                      CB 2
                      FS 6
                      SS 3
                      K highest is an 83
                      P 4

                      Comment

                      • Michgantown
                        Rookie
                        • Jun 2010
                        • 329

                        #101
                        Re: Is Dynasty ruined down the road?

                        Wyoming starters
                        OB 53
                        HB 55
                        FB 52
                        WR 52
                        TE 53
                        LT 56
                        LG 48
                        C 43
                        RG 48
                        RT 52
                        LE 54
                        RE 54
                        DT 50
                        LOLB 60
                        MLB 51
                        ROLB 58
                        CB 49 77 spd 76 acc
                        FS 53
                        SS 50
                        K 47 52 KP 42 KA
                        P 56 58 KP 54 KA

                        Comment

                        • KG
                          Welcome Back
                          • Sep 2005
                          • 17583

                          #102
                          Re: Is Dynasty ruined down the road?

                          Originally posted by OSUFan_88
                          I don't see a problem with these ratings at all...JMHO.

                          The ones that Michigantown just posted seem just like what they should be. Few elite teams and more bad teams. I like the sizable gap between teams.

                          Realistically, I think more games should have ratings like that. Especially in games that deals with College sports.
                          I don't know OSU. If Stew says that the starting HB @ Penn St is rated in the 40s then that directly affects gameplay. I'm assuming that QB he's talking about is still a hold-over from the initial rosters.
                          Twitter Instagram - kgx2thez

                          Comment

                          • choadler
                            MVP
                            • Feb 2004
                            • 2001

                            #103
                            Re: Is Dynasty ruined down the road?

                            Again, ultimately for me, if awareness ratings are screwed up and this affects the on the field play, that is really all I care about. I just don't want to get really far in my dynasty and have terrible gameplay in 5 years. If the game plays fine on the field then I am ok with what they have done.

                            I just have a feeling that you will need a slider set for the first 3 to 4 years and a slider set for years after that.

                            Comment

                            • Pogo27
                              MVP
                              • Jul 2009
                              • 1632

                              #104
                              Re: Is Dynasty ruined down the road?

                              Originally posted by Michgantown
                              players overalls in 90s
                              QB 8
                              HB 6
                              FB 2
                              WR 4
                              TE 4 in the 80s
                              LT4
                              LG 2
                              C 6
                              RG 5
                              RT 8
                              LE none
                              RE1
                              DT 6
                              LOLB 2
                              MLB 1
                              ROLB 5
                              CB 2
                              FS 6
                              SS 3
                              K highest is an 83
                              P 4
                              Hopefully this is just random, because if this is run of the mill, I do see a problem. 45 offensive players in the 90s, 26 defensive players. Should be more balanced. ESPECIALLY on the lines.

                              Offensive/defensive lines seem to be WAY more important this year. Not so much in the 1st half, but in the second half, the weaker line tends to wear down. If we're going to consistently see 25ish O-Linemen in the 90s, to just 7 D-Linemen in the 90s (and most of those being DTs, then offense will start to dominate the second half of games, at least non-simmed games.

                              A few things to consider though...if these are the results purely from simulation, then a) no positions are ever be changed, and b) ATH's are likely being assigned to whatever position they're naturally best at, which may explain the overabundance of QBs on teams.


                              In the case of A, this could easily allow the human player at least to have a balance between offensive and defensive line. Converting an O-Linemen to D-Line (especially an offensive tackle) at the first available opportunity usually results in him winding up with a similar overall rating by his senior year, than as if he had stayed on the O-Line. It's not a rule for all O-Line by any means, but it certainly works in a lot of case.

                              Comment

                              • Michgantown
                                Rookie
                                • Jun 2010
                                • 329

                                #105
                                Re: Is Dynasty ruined down the road?

                                about to sim to end of season

                                Comment

                                Working...