NCAA Football 12 Video - Coaching Carousel Part 2

[sparkdawg777]

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In this matter though, I think the developers already know we want coach ratings. I just don't believe it was feasible to achieve in the time span they had. We're talking about taking a game where coaches are pointless, and then making them the single most important aspect of the game(to an extent). That requires a lot of work, and I believe EA knows how much we want this, and it's something they'll expand upon.

Yeh I think you're right, I'm sure that the devs wanted ratings but the more I look at it (although I am no expert in creating software or whatever) I can see that it is a lot more work to tie the coach's ratings into the entire game than say just the coach prestige. I'm confident after seeing the improvements of this year's game that we will see coach ratings next year.

[renatus]

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it looks like a lot of fun now let´s hope for better CPU recruiting logic!!!

[kevj349]

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I'm curious as to how they would put ratings in for coaches. I mean think about it. How does the OC and DC ratings matter if the HC has O and D ratings? It kinda eliminates them from the equation. Same goes vice versa. If the OC and DC have ratings then the HC ratings don't matter.

On a slightly different note how in the world do you know what the defense ratings are for an OC? This is important because what if he gets a HC job? Ratings would be great, but there really isn't any way to come up with the ratings. If we as a community come up with a good way to create ratings maybe they could take a look for next year. Thoughts?

[sparkdawg777]

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So is this the only info being released today or is there more coming later?

[sparkdawg777]

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I'm curious as to how they would put ratings in for coaches. I mean think about it. How does the OC and DC ratings matter if the HC has O and D ratings? It kinda eliminates them from the equation. Same goes vice versa. If the OC and DC have ratings then the HC ratings don't matter.

On a slightly different note how in the world do you know what the defense ratings are for an OC? This is important because what if he gets a HC job? Ratings would be great, but there really isn't any way to come up with the ratings. If we as a community come up with a good way to create ratings maybe they could take a look for next year. Thoughts?

Yeh we just created a thread a few minutes ago on improving CC. Here's the link and we'd love to hear some ideas.

http://www.operationsports.com/forum...-carousel.html

[Tecmo Bowl]

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I'm curious as to how they would put ratings in for coaches. I mean think about it. How does the OC and DC ratings matter if the HC has O and D ratings? It kinda eliminates them from the equation. Same goes vice versa. If the OC and DC have ratings then the HC ratings don't matter.

On a slightly different note how in the world do you know what the defense ratings are for an OC? This is important because what if he gets a HC job? Ratings would be great, but there really isn't any way to come up with the ratings. If we as a community come up with a good way to create ratings maybe they could take a look for next year. Thoughts?

Boom. Great post.

I would guess figuring the defense rating for an OC would be similar to how they rate players.

[JalenTigh]

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The one thing that stood out to me that I do not like is that schools were letting coaches contracts expire and then rehiring them... those should not show up as openings in the carousel screen. That almost never happens in real life.. In real life a coach is usually extended before his contract is up or fired before it is up, but hardly ever goes to the end of his contract before signing a new one with the same school.

[dan_457]

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I'm curious as to how they would put ratings in for coaches. I mean think about it. How does the OC and DC ratings matter if the HC has O and D ratings? It kinda eliminates them from the equation. Same goes vice versa. If the OC and DC have ratings then the HC ratings don't matter.

On a slightly different note how in the world do you know what the defense ratings are for an OC? This is important because what if he gets a HC job? Ratings would be great, but there really isn't any way to come up with the ratings. If we as a community come up with a good way to create ratings maybe they could take a look for next year. Thoughts?

Maybe it would be a 50/50 spit in terms of impact. Basically a Head coaches offensive rating could impact the offense at the same time as the OC. Say you're HC has an offensive rating of B- while you OC has an A rating, They could balance each other out, or just have a shared bonus. There's a lot of possibility here.

[sparkdawg777]

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Maybe it would be a 50/50 spit in terms of impact. Basically a Head coaches offensive rating could impact the offense at the same time as the OC. Say you're HC has an offensive rating of B- while you OC has an A rating, They could balance each other out, or just have a shared bonus. There's a lot of possibility here.

Yeh I thought this was going to be how it would work, but if it is that's no good that we can't hire/fire OC/DCs.

[nolesfan3]

Re: NCAA Football 12 Video - Coaching Carousel Part 2

The one thing that stood out to me that I do not like is that schools were letting coaches contracts expire and then rehiring them... those should not show up as openings in the carousel screen. That almost never happens in real life.. In real life a coach is usually extended before his contract is up or fired before it is up, but hardly ever goes to the end of his contract before signing a new one with the same school.

I didn't like that either. When I first saw the Nevada needed a new coach after going 11-2 and their old coach was A+, I just assumed he got hired for a better job, but when he resigned to Nevada, it just kinda seemed pointless to me

[kevj349]

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Has anybody had any info on how long it takes to work your way up? If I meet all my goals every season how long would it take to climb from a 1 star OC to say HC at OSU? I love how it sounds but I hope it takes a while to get up that high.

[nyj721]

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I think that the hc should choose how much of a split he and the coordinators have. for example if a dc get a hc job but has no offensive skills, he can differ the offense 100% to the oc. also if the current dc at the new job sucks the hc can take full responsibility and be the dc and the hc.

[brza37]

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I'm curious as to how they would put ratings in for coaches. I mean think about it. How does the OC and DC ratings matter if the HC has O and D ratings? It kinda eliminates them from the equation. Same goes vice versa. If the OC and DC have ratings then the HC ratings don't matter.

On a slightly different note how in the world do you know what the defense ratings are for an OC? This is important because what if he gets a HC job? Ratings would be great, but there really isn't any way to come up with the ratings. If we as a community come up with a good way to create ratings maybe they could take a look for next year. Thoughts?

Play College Hoops 2k8 or even Head Coach 09. There are templates out there for how to make coach ratings matter for HC as well as coordinators and even position coaches. I doubt it will be easy for EA to program but I hope they will follow up with big improvements to CC next year and not leave us waiting years for the next step.

[Ziza9Noles94]

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Has anybody had any info on how long it takes to work your way up? If I meet all my goals every season how long would it take to climb from a 1 star OC to say HC at OSU? I love how it sounds but I hope it takes a while to get up that high.

"In a sim, where I started off as the Oklahoma DC; which was the 2nd best defense in the nation, it still took me six season to get to Nebraska."

From: http://www.thegamingtailgate.com/for...Carousel/page2

So I'm thinking starting out at an even lower level will take about the same time or a little longer.

[Jeff George]

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Absolute max of 10. And in real life that many don't exist. I can think of 5 or 6. Saban, Meyer, Tressel, Brown, Stoops and I might throw Miles in there. No way Patterson or Peterson is.

Another school of thought would suggest that it takes considerable coaching prowess to win 10+ games per year and BCS bowl games without the benefit of any four- or five-star recruits. Not that I'm going to argue the arbitrary ratings of fictional head coaches...

Gives me an idea for a poll question... Dennis Erickson and Howard Schnellenberger each have one national title. Should they have <, >, or = the prestige of Frank Beamer, with no national titles but almost 200 wins?