New Features Aren’t All Free in NCAA Football 12

[roadman]

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Either way, why would ANYBODY (in their right mind at least) be "ok" with paying for something that would otherwise be included in the fee of the game if not for a monopoly?

A. Monopoly was never the subject of the thread, therefore it's taking it off topic, and it usually goes down a slippery slope once it does.(I'm sure you are aware of that with your previous lurking experience and known banning s, which is also off topic.)

B. Other games in this genre don't have a monopoly and they are charging for extra features that are not in the full game.

[poopoop]

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But the cell companies and cable providers already "pull this". In the examples I gave. They have a base product and then add-on services on top of that.

These web features are NEW features.... they were never part of the base product. If last year you could sim and advance from the web for free and then THIS year they started charging for it, then I would agree with you 100%. If it is a new feature that has never been part of the base product before then it hasn't been established yet.

Verizon just came out with 4G. If you want it, you pay more than you did for 3G. At one time text messaging was a new feature. When it came out it was decided it would be an add-on (or part of a more expensive package). Same here. This is a new feature. you say you aren't getting a "fully featured" product... if you buy a verizon phone and don't pay for every single add-on they sell then by your definition you are not getting a "fully featured" product there either, or directv, or whatever. So you say you would be against them if they started doing it, but I have news for you, they already are. This is no different. If you buy an new handset at verizon and have the cheapest plan they offer do you feel they are obligated to provide you with every new service that gets released (4g, visual voicemail, texting when it was new, etc) at no charge?

Again, I stress, this is a NEW feature. If, as you are insinuating, they took an EXISTING feature and yanked it out and started charging for it, I would be right there with you. And on top of that this is a new feature that will add ongoing costs to EA, not like any built-in HDR, road to glory, etc feature that only costs development time.

You mention features that you only get if you pre-order from a certain store. I'm not talking about those. I'm specifically talking about these web-enabled features.

I'm not insinuating anything. The base product used to include the new features they added yearly. Now it no longer does. That's the issue. It'd be one thing if their model was to always charge extra for new features that hadn't been in the game before.

Just face the fact that this is the direction that video game publishers are going. It's not just EA that does this.

It blows my mind how much people cry over all of this. They take it SO personally. I am not defending EA or saying that I am going to buy their DLC, however stop acting like EA is the only company that does this.

Partially because people are willing to deal with it. Of course companies are gonna charge for DLC when people just shrug their shoulders, say "hey it's like a cellphone!" and buy it.

[It Must Be The Shoes]

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But the cell companies and cable providers already "pull this". In the examples I gave. They have a base product and then add-on services on top of that.

These web features are NEW features.... they were never part of the base product. If last year you could sim and advance from the web for free and then THIS year they started charging for it, then I would agree with you 100%. If it is a new feature that has never been part of the base product before then it hasn't been established yet.

Verizon just came out with 4G. If you want it, you pay more than you did for 3G. At one time text messaging was a new feature. When it came out it was decided it would be an add-on (or part of a more expensive package). Same here. This is a new feature. you say you aren't getting a "fully featured" product... if you buy a verizon phone and don't pay for every single add-on they sell then by your definition you are not getting a "fully featured" product there either, or directv, or whatever. So you say you would be against them if they started doing it, but I have news for you, they already are. This is no different. If you buy an new handset at verizon and have the cheapest plan they offer do you feel they are obligated to provide you with every new service that gets released (4g, visual voicemail, texting when it was new, etc) at no charge?

Unless, of course, you do business with one of a dozen other cell phone providers. Like MetroPCS, that provides all of those features for $40 (no tax).

Regardless, different products have different business models with different precedents set. We're specifically speaking about licensed football gaming products in this thread (this is a football gaming forum).

Prior to EAs monopoly, there were competing products providing web integration in licensed football gaming products. Not only was this extra server-based feature included in the cost of the purchase of the game, but the game in mention was only $20.00.

[roadman]

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[QUOTE=It Must Be The Shoes;2042439291

We're specifically speaking about licensed football gaming products in this thread (this is a football gaming forum).

Prior to EAs monopoly, there were competing products providing web integration in licensed football gaming products. Not only was this extra server-based feature included in the cost of the purchase of the game, but the game in mention was only $20.00.[/QUOTE]

Please show me where in the thread topic we are discussing about licensed football gaming products.

I only see a few people toss that word around.

[It Must Be The Shoes]

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A. Monopoly was never the subject of the thread, therefore it's taking it off topic, and it usually goes down a slippery slope once it does.(I'm sure you are aware of that with your previous lurking experience and known banning s, which is also off topic.)

B. Other games in this genre don't have a monopoly and they are charging for extra features that are not in the full game.

The fact that there's a monopoly is pertinent, and very directly related to the subject of the thread: "new features aren't all free in ncaa football 12".

When there was no monopoly, similar features were all-inclusive. Now that there is a monopoly, we're forced to pay extra for them.

[It Must Be The Shoes]

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Please show me where in the thread topic we are discussing about licensed football gaming products.

I only see a few people toss that word around.

It's a term I am using *personally* to provide context and clarity regarding the subject which is being discussed here: "New features aren't all free in ncaa football 12".

I don't entirely see the point of you making special mention of it, though.

[roadman]

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The fact that there's a monopoly is pertinent, and very directly related to the subject of the thread: "new features aren't all free in ncaa football 12".

When there was no monopoly, similar features were all-inclusive. Now that there is a monopoly, we're forced to pay extra for them.

If you say so, go for it.

You evaded point B.

[roadman]

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It's a term I am using *personally* to provide context and clarity regarding the subject which is being discussed here: "New features aren't all free in ncaa football 12".

I don't entirely see the point of you making special mention of it, though.

I'm just saying when the word is used around here, closings of thread usually happen and banning's begin.

Enter at your own risk.

[It Must Be The Shoes]

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I'm just saying when the word is used around here, closings of thread usually happen and banning's begin.

Enter at your own risk.

So I am going to be banned for using the term: licensed football gaming products

What is this, a Nazi concentration camp?

[bkrich83]

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So I am going to be banned for using the term: licensed football gaming products

What is this, a Nazi concentration camp?

Yes comparing rules on a forum to a regime that literally killed tens of millions of people is quite appropriate. Good analogy..

[bkrich83]

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This doesn't bother me in the least.

DLC is here to stay.

If it's worth buying, I'll buy it.

If it's not, I won't.

Best post of the thread.

I honestly don't understand the need to defend it. Don't know if it's people just justifying/rationalizing their eventual purchase. Some sort of loyalty to EA. Or something else. Should be demanding more for your money.




No not for nothing. For the amount we pay when we buy the game.

I would rather have microtransactions which are completely optional depending on what you want from the game, than to have the company keep up with inflation and adjust their yearly price of the game based on that?

Game prices haven't changed in what 6 or 7 years? If they were like most products out there we'd be paying $75 per game.

I don't see how this is unlike any other product where you have to pay for extra options or a higher level of service.

To be fair you don't even know what the cause is.

None of us have access to EA's budget details. We don't know how much these features cost to implement/maintain and how they change EA's ability to make a profit on this game. You can't say with any certainty that this DLC is necessary to offset the costs. You can assume that the costs of implementing these are so great that EA "had" to charge for it, but you don't know.

All I know for certain is EA has no direct competition, largely because of actions they took to make it that way. That leads me to believe they're less inclined to give us the most for our money, or at least they no longer have comp there to force them to. That belief is only strengthened when I see them start offering game features as DLC. And I'm not going to give them the benefit of the doubt based on their past history with microtransactions.

We know what happened years ago when another company forced them to lower prices while still giving us the same amount of content.

First EA has NEVER had competition when it comes to NCAA football. Microtransactions would be here whether EA has competition or not.

And really EA was to blame for 2k's demise?

You make it sound like EA was practicing some shady business practice and taking 2k out ilegally. Talk to the NFL and the NCAA Licensing Group.

Are microtransactions a good thing? Not imo. Is something like this where there are add on features for $3 available a big deal? Absolutely not, unless you are one of the chicken littles who cry the sky is falling at every turn because they have an obvious axe to grind with EA.

[bkrich83]

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The fact that there's a monopoly is pertinent, and very directly related to the subject of the thread: "new features aren't all free in ncaa football 12".

When there was no monopoly, similar features were all-inclusive. Now that there is a monopoly, we're forced to pay extra for them.

First it's not a monopoly. Second when NFL2k5 was out the microtransactions movement had not hit yet. You are acting like something like this is something only EA does and they waited till NFL2k was gone to do it.

revisionist history is awesome.

[JaySmooov]

If people don't like the fact that EA is charging to "advance a week" online, then stop complaining and don't buy it. Simple as that. No one is FORCING us to pay for it.

Also consider that when we buy DLC, it's stored on our HARD DRIVES/MEMORY UNITS, so there's no telling how it would affect the game if it was added to a disc.

Seriously, though, E3 can't come fast enough. We need to see some gameplay ASAP, because people are getting uptight over a optional feature.

[poopoop]

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I would rather have microtransactions which are completely optional depending on what you want from the game, than to have the company keep up with inflation and adjust their yearly price of the game based on that?

Game prices haven't changed in what 6 or 7 years? If they were like most products out there we'd be paying $75 per game.

I don't see how this is unlike any other product where you have to pay for extra options or a higher level of service.

Honestly, I'd rather have them just sell the basic game (just the basic play now mode at a price lower than the $60 mark) then have all the other features modes optional. You want RTG you pay X, you want OD you pay Y, you want offline dynasty you pay Z. That'd save most people money and only let people get exactly what they want from the game.

If they're going to charge $60 then decide some features are bonus, I'd rather them just up the price or include the full list of features.

First EA has NEVER had competition when it comes to NCAA football. Microtransactions would be here whether EA has competition or not.

And really EA was to blame for 2k's demise?

You make it sound like EA was practicing some shady business practice and taking 2k out ilegally. Talk to the NFL and the NCAA Licensing Group.

Are microtransactions a good thing? Not imo. Is something like this where there are add on features for $3 available a big deal? Absolutely not, unless you are one of the chicken littles who cry the sky is falling at every turn because they have an obvious axe to grind with EA.

Yes they have. And like I've stated previously, Madden having competition was beneficial to NCAA since the games share a lot of things. It also ignores that they bought an exclusive contract which made it impossible for any competition to pop up. And no I don't have an obvious axe to grind with EA. I have a problem with microtransactions.

[bkrich83]

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Honestly, I'd rather have them just sell the basic game (just the basic play now mode at a price lower than the $60 mark) then have all the other features modes optional. You want RTG you pay X, you want OD you pay Y, you want offline dynasty you pay Z. That'd save most people money and only let people get exactly what they want from the game.

If they're going to charge $60 then decide some features are bonus, I'd rather them just up the price or include the full list of features.

Again the price of the game hasn't changed in like 7 years. That's not common in the consumer market place. Not sure what your complaint is on the pricing.

Yes they have. And like I've stated previously, Madden having competition was beneficial to NCAA since the games share a lot of things. And no I don't have an obvious axe to grind with EA. I have a problem with microtransactions.

That's not even close to accurate. As far as not having an axe to grind with EA that's also quite obviously false. If you don't like Microtransactions then I hope you complain about every game that is released.