New Features Aren’t All Free in NCAA Football 12

[kbmnm247]

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It's a subjective opinion one way or the other. There are NFL players in it, right?

To you case closed, I wouldn't expect anything else because you tried to closed off every opinion that someone countered with.

I'm perfectly fine with your opinions, I just don't personally agree with them.

No, there are no NFL players in it. There are players who used to play in the NFL but there are no current NFL players, as far as I know.

The fact that you even answered my question with that suggestion proves to me and should prove to everyone else that EA does in fact have an effective monopoly on the pro and college football game genre.

[bkrich83]

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lol man I'll give it to you. You had me going this whole time.

APF2k8 is my only other option and, despite what you say, it is not an NFL game. Can I play as my hometown Philadelphia Eagles in it? It's also, you know, 3 years old.

So I guess the answer to my question is: No, I can not buy another NFL or NCAA game because EA Sports makes the only one available. And why is that? Because they bought the exclusive license. Case closed.

It's still not a monopoly. Exclusive licensing and monopolies are different animals with different connotations.

[bkrich83]

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I think we disagree with your argument about the features being 100% necessary for the functionality of the game.

If you want to be upset about them marketing the features as "already in the game" I can understand that. I can't understand the argument where you state the features are 100% necessary for the functionality of the game.

The new features are a luxury within the game

Exactly. They are added features, that are not required to play the game. Not having these features doesn't prevent you from playing the game.

I didn't think it was that hard to figure out.

[kbmnm247]

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It's still not a monopoly. Exclusive licensing and monopolies are different animals with different connotations.

I agree in fact, it is not a monopoly since other companies can make a football game (Backbreaker and APF2k8 for example). However, if I want an NFL or NCAA game, which let's be honest, that's what people want. They don't want to play with fake people for the most part, the casual gamer and especially the hardcore gamer want the real players they see on Saturday and Sunday. I'm sure you can admit that.

That is what creates the "monopoly" (notice the quotes). It is effectively a monopoly. I can't think of any other situation in any other part of our country where a situation like this exists other than maybe Comcast, and, coincidentally, there are many similar feelings for EA/Comcast from their customers.

The point remains, and it can't really be debated, that if I want to play the latest NFL or NCAA sports game on my Xbox 360, Wii, or PS3, it will come from EA sports and I have no other options. To me, that might as well be a monopoly since I, personally, do not care to play with fake players in fake stadiums with fake logos just as the high majority of the rest of the population doesn't want to play with fakes and would rather have the real deal.

[kbmnm247]

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It's a subjective opinion one way or the other. There are NFL players in it, right?

To you case closed, I wouldn't expect anything else because you tried to closed off every opinion that someone countered with.

I'm perfectly fine with your opinions, I just don't personally agree with them.

Also, the post you quoted had exactly 0 opinion in it. It was all facts. Just noticed that actually. The fact that you think it's an OPINION that the only NCAAF/NFL licensed games coming out this year are from EA makes me think I wasted a lot of time and typing in debates with you.

[Bullet Sponge]

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I agree in fact, it is not a monopoly since other companies can make a football game (Backbreaker and APF2k8 for example). However, if I want an NFL or NCAA game, which let's be honest, that's what people want. They don't want to play with fake people for the most part, the casual gamer and especially the hardcore gamer want the real players they see on Saturday and Sunday. I'm sure you can admit that.

That is what creates the "monopoly" (notice the quotes). It is effectively a monopoly. I can't think of any other situation in any other part of our country where a situation like this exists other than maybe Comcast, and, coincidentally, there are many similar feelings for EA/Comcast from their customers.

The point remains, and it can't really be debated, that if I want to play the latest NFL or NCAA sports game on my Xbox 360, Wii, or PS3, it will come from EA sports and I have no other options. To me, that might as well be a monopoly since I, personally, do not care to play with fake players in fake stadiums with fake logos just as the high majority of the rest of the population doesn't want to play with fakes and would rather have the real deal.

Exactly. Let's just clear up this silly monopoly argument and call it what it is. EA has a monopoly on NFL and NCAA Football games. And those are what most everyone wants in a football game. If that doesn't amount to a football monopoly and isn't a big deal EA would not have paid out the hundreds of millions they did for it.

[bkrich83]

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I agree in fact, it is not a monopoly since other companies can make a football game (Backbreaker and APF2k8 for example). However, if I want an NFL or NCAA game, which let's be honest, that's what people want. They don't want to play with fake people for the most part, the casual gamer and especially the hardcore gamer want the real players they see on Saturday and Sunday. I'm sure you can admit that.

That is what creates the "monopoly" (notice the quotes). It is effectively a monopoly. I can't think of any other situation in any other part of our country where a situation like this exists other than maybe Comcast, and, coincidentally, there are many similar feelings for EA/Comcast from their customers.

The point remains, and it can't really be debated, that if I want to play the latest NFL or NCAA sports game on my Xbox 360, Wii, or PS3, it will come from EA sports and I have no other options. To me, that might as well be a monopoly since I, personally, do not care to play with fake players in fake stadiums with fake logos just as the high majority of the rest of the population doesn't want to play with fakes and would rather have the real deal.

Exclusive licensing is a staple of the NFL Business plan. See their apparel deals, see direcTV, etc.

If you want to watch your team out of market you have to have DirecTV.. If you want to own licensed NFL apparel you have to buy whatever brand they have the deal with.

EA is along for the ride on this, and I don't think anyone likes it, but the NFL is far more to blame for this fiasco than EA. VC bid on the license and came up short, the rest is history. If you want to be mad, be mad at the league.

Similar story with the NCAA. Although slightly different since the TV deals are done by conference and in some cases teams, but they have a long history of exclusivity when it comes to their IP.

My understanding is VC didn't even bid on the NCAA license, buy my memory maybe fuzzy on that. I'll ask next time I talk to those guys.

[roadman]

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Also, the post you quoted had exactly 0 opinion in it. It was all facts. Just noticed that actually. The fact that you think it's an OPINION that the only NCAAF/NFL licensed games coming out this year are from EA makes me think I wasted a lot of time and typing in debates with you.

Facts according to you.

I feel the same way.

When I quoted that, you didn't mention games coming out this year, did you? You keep adding on to your opinions to try make them facts. All througout this thread you said you only options were Madden/NCAA. I call you out on that statement and mention APF and then down the road you change your answer to "games coming out this year."

Plus, you said APF was your only other option in that post I quoted.

When I speak of you opinion on this, I'm referring to your whole opinion on DLC and defending against it, I just don't agree with it. That's all.

[bkrich83]

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Exactly. Let's just clear up this silly monopoly argument and call it what it is. EA has a monopoly on NFL and NCAA Football games. And those are what most everyone wants in a football game. If that doesn't amount to a football monopoly and isn't a big deal EA would not have paid out the hundreds of millions they did for it.

Why is that EA's fault? Why are they the only ones that bear the blame?

[Solidice]

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My understanding is VC didn't even bid on the NCAA license, buy my memory maybe fuzzy on that. I'll ask next time I talk to those guys.

EA had the only NCAA FB game(expect maybe text based sims) at the time of the exclusive deal was made. It was around 2 years before that the last Sony or 2k college football game was made. so I doubt they even wanted to make a bid.

[kbmnm247]

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Facts according to you.

I feel the same way.

When I quoted that, you didn't mention games coming out this year, did you? You keep adding on to your opinions to try make them facts.

Plus, you said APF was your only other option in that post I quoted.

I'm done with you dude. No offense, but your responses and posts don't even warrant a response. Go back and track my posts and what I quoted in my posts and you'll realize that I didn't bring up APF, it was brought up to me (BY YOU NOW THAT I CHECK) as the answer to "What other NCAA and NFL game can I buy?". I think it was pretty obvious that I was talking about this year's version, as I know that 2k5 exists since I was using it as an example in many of my posts.

Unless you can prove me wrong by saying that the Philadelphia Eagles are in APF2k8 and all of the players pictures and stats,etc. are in the game, then what I said was fact.

Also, why can't I buy another NCAA or NFL game this year? Because EA bought the exclusive license. That is also fact.

In the post you quoted those were the only two statements I made, and you said "that's just your personal opinion". smh

[bkrich83]

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EA had the only NCAA FB game(expect maybe text based sims) at the time of the exclusive deal was made. It was around 2 years before that the last Sony or 2k college football game was made. so I doubt they even wanted to make a bid.

I believe your right, but don't remember exactly how it went down.

[bkrich83]

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Also, why can't I buy another NCAA or NFL game this year? Because EA bought the exclusive license. That is also fact.

Because the NFL decided to follow their business plan and go exclusive on the license, maximizing their profits.

[kbmnm247]

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Exclusive licensing is a staple of the NFL Business plan. See their apparel deals, see direcTV, etc.

If you want to watch your team out of market you have to have DirecTV.. If you want to own licensed NFL apparel you have to buy whatever brand they have the deal with.

EA is along for the ride on this, and I don't think anyone likes it, but the NFL is far more to blame for this fiasco than EA. VC bid on the license and came up short, the rest is history. If you want to be mad, be mad at the league.

Some questions so we are on the same page, who do you think went to who first to get the exclusive deal? EA or the NFL? Do you think that VC had the monetary backing to their company to match anything EA could have offered? Do you think the NFL would have stopped allowing NFL games to be made unless they had an exclusive deal with someone or do you think they would have been fine collecting multiple licensing fees year after year from whoever wanted to make an NFL game?

Second, I don't have DirecTV and I've never missed an Eagles game. I also can't even name you the licensed NFL apparel brand because I can buy from multiple suppliers as well as replicas, etc. That being said, it's a moot point and has nothing to do with the football sports gaming genre issue we are discussing here. It's WAY more intricate than what happened here, I think we can both agree on that.

[kbmnm247]

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Why is that EA's fault? Why are they the only ones that bear the blame?

BECAUSE THEY ARE THE ONES GOING TO THESE LEAGUES AND ASKING FOR EXCLUSIVITY BECAUSE THEY ARE THE ONLY COMPANY WITH ENOUGH MONEY TO MAKE IT FINANCIALLY SMART TO ACCEPT SUCH A DEAL.

Like cmon man at least you are debating this intelligently but think about it. Hypothetically, EA puts out 1 billion in licensing fees for exclusivity in NFL, NBA, MLB. This means they don't need to spend hundreds of millions in marketing because they are the only game in town. This means they don't need to improve their games at the same rates as competition because they are the only game in town. This means they can charge for features that most likely would be included with the $60 you originally pay, because there are the only game in town.

They took the lazy way out, and are now asking us to pay for it. And the best part is, YOU GUYS SEEM FINE WITH THAT!?!