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  • bkrich83
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    #226
    Re: Staff Roundtable: How Are We Feeling About NCAA Football 12 Now?

    Originally posted by Daniels2386
    Im saying this with 0 sarcasm.

    Please by all means do tell me exactly in detail why a BETA wouldn't help at all. I thought that was the sole purpose of a BETA? Id love to hear what you have to say about it. Honestly
    Do you really have any understanding of the test cycle? Do you really know what a beta test is? They had a beta, it just was not public it was done internally. Now whether that is the best route is another debate.

    Too many people tossing terms around that they don't really understand.
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    • bkrich83
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      #227
      Re: Staff Roundtable: How Are We Feeling About NCAA Football 12 Now?

      Originally posted by aarontab
      Do you think we have connections at EA or do you just really need somebody to validate your opinion? What good is convincing us? Focus your energy on emailing EA your ideas if you feel so strongly, i'm sure it won't be long before everybody will see the light and sing your praises.
      Everyone is an expert. If you disagree with their opinion you are wrong.
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      • aarontab
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        • Mar 2011
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        #228
        Re: Staff Roundtable: How Are We Feeling About NCAA Football 12 Now?

        Originally posted by bkrich83
        Everyone is an expert. If you disagree with their opinion you are wrong.
        I don't even disagree with him, tbh i don't even know what his stance is other than "beta beta beta beta beta horrible game beta beta"

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        • bkrich83
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          #229
          Re: Staff Roundtable: How Are We Feeling About NCAA Football 12 Now?

          Originally posted by aarontab
          I don't even disagree with him, tbh i don't even know what his stance is other than "beta beta beta beta beta horrible game beta beta"
          I don't either. But his tone is not helpful.
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          • Daniels2386
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            • Jul 2008
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            #230
            Re: Staff Roundtable: How Are We Feeling About NCAA Football 12 Now?

            Do you think we have connections at EA or do you just really need somebody to validate your opinion?
            Validate my opinion I guess...? I just wanted to bring up BETA and see what people thought about it, but that turned into heckling me which I dont mind. Like I said before it seems like a majority of the problems could have been spotted early in a BETA... If thats NOT the case im fine with that, but I know enough about CPU's and video games to the point I want a detailed response of 'Why not' . Dont just say 'because' or 'No, that wont work'.


            Focus your energy on emailing EA your ideas if you feel so strongly
            Why would I do that when theres over 100's of pages right here. Both good and bad. If they was going to do something they would have done something.


            what do you think would have made this game "alot" better?
            in short ... competition. You think they care what anyone thinks at this point about there product? No one else makes football games. That is a fact and the one thing EVERYONE should be able to agree on. If you play football you buy from EA. There an Monopoly man, a Empire! lol I get/have had the feeling that they honestly dont care NEARLY as much as people think. I thought I was pointin out the obvious, but some people seem oblivious to it. Thats why I say and have said this game has outstanding potential, but its like they dont care enough about there own product to tie the loose ends and let it reach its potential. If they had competition or fear of losing revenue, I bet they would pay a little more attention to whats going on :/

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            • JaySmooov
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              • May 2011
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              #231
              I have a question: A Beta version is just gameplay, right? So that means there would be no roster editing, meaning we wouldn't have been able to identify the roster bug.

              There is no depth chart in the demos, meaning it wouldn't make sense for them to put it in a beta. Meaning we wouldn't know tendencies of the players. (Tendencies don't mean anything anyway; tell me why Washaun Ealey, RB for UGA on the game, is a power back with 95 SPD, 87 ACC, 90+ Spin move and Juke move, 87 break tackle but only 84 trucking, and weighs less [205] than Caleb King [211], and is also weaker than King, who is listed as a balanced back.)

              No dynasty in a beta, since it's mainly/basically gameplay. Meaning no way to know about (again) the roster glitch or problems with CC, recruits, etc.

              That's just my take, off the top of my head, but I could be wrong.

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              • ODogg
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                • Feb 2003
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                #232
                Re: Staff Roundtable: How Are We Feeling About NCAA Football 12 Now?

                Originally posted by Daniels2386
                Validate my opinion I guess...? I just wanted to bring up BETA and see what people thought about it, but that turned into heckling me which I dont mind. Like I said before it seems like a majority of the problems could have been spotted early in a BETA... If thats NOT the case im fine with that, but I know enough about CPU's and video games to the point I want a detailed response of 'Why not' . Dont just say 'because' or 'No, that wont work'.


                Why would I do that when theres over 100's of pages right here. Both good and bad. If they was going to do something they would have done something.


                in short ... competition. You think they care what anyone thinks at this point about there product? No one else makes football games. That is a fact and the one thing EVERYONE should be able to agree on. If you play football you buy from EA. There an Monopoly man, a Empire! lol I get/have had the feeling that they honestly dont care NEARLY as much as people think. I thought I was pointin out the obvious, but some people seem oblivious to it. Thats why I say and have said this game has outstanding potential, but its like they dont care enough about there own product to tie the loose ends and let it reach its potential. If they had competition or fear of losing revenue, I bet they would pay a little more attention to whats going on :/
                Yeah because EAs football games were so much different when they had competition..... I agree we need more companies doing football games but EA isn't going to suddenly make there games radically different if there is.
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                • Daniels2386
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                  #233
                  Re: Staff Roundtable: How Are We Feeling About NCAA Football 12 Now?

                  Do you really have any understanding of the test cycle? Do you really know what a beta test is?
                  I have a fairly decent idea I would like to think, but I dont know the exact definition no. Thats why I was wanting you to explain it.


                  They had a beta, it just was not public it was done internally.
                  I would have to vote it being a bad idea and thats only because look at where we're at now? EA can say what they want, but testing wasnt done extensively enough. They have been making NCAA for what? Like 12yrs? Yea they have came a ways in that time, ALOT of the same stuff is in every game. This years game isnt (to me) Thaaaat much different than last years game. Not different enough anyways to experience these kinds of problems.

                  Just think if they would have made the BETA public. They didnt wanna sacrifice revenue for play-a-bility if you will ... and the more I think about it, how could they have a BETA, PERIOD, and not experience/eliminate some of these inexcusable bugs :/ .... Sorry if that offends people lol but thats how I honestly feel


                  but EA isn't going to suddenly make there games radically different if there is
                  I agree with that. But if there was a 2k12 football game from Sega (or who ever makes it) I honestly think we wouldn't be having a majority of the issues we are having and if there WAS the same problems like we are having you can best believe they would have made a patch by now...or Id like to think so
                  Last edited by Daniels2386; 07-24-2011, 03:16 AM.

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                  • JaySmooov
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                    • May 2011
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                    #234
                    This argument about EA not caring about consumers and what not is like saying, "How could drug-dealers sell drugs to their own community?" "How could they sell ti to family?"

                    It's called money.

                    Everyone likes this idea that EA is half-assing it. They most likely are, but it's foolish to believe 2K will "save" us - and lets be honest, the whole "competition" argument is an indirect way of saying that you can't wait until 2K makes a football game.

                    They WONT as long as NBA 2K continues to be successful. They've pulled all the Live players from EA for now - I myself was/still am a big Live/EA Sports player. They have the luxury of only having to focus heavily on basketball. Why would they divide that into making football too? Especially when Madden/NCAA seems to be trending upwards?

                    The above was off topic, but still relative to previous posts.

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                    • aarontab
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                      • Mar 2011
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                      #235
                      Re: Staff Roundtable: How Are We Feeling About NCAA Football 12 Now?

                      Originally posted by Daniels2386
                      in short ... competition. You think they care what anyone thinks at this point about there product? No one else makes football games. That is a fact and the one thing EVERYONE should be able to agree on. If you play football you buy from EA. There an Monopoly man, a Empire! lol I get/have had the feeling that they honestly dont care NEARLY as much as people think. I thought I was pointin out the obvious, but some people seem oblivious to it. Thats why I say and have said this game has outstanding potential, but its like they dont care enough about there own product to tie the loose ends and let it reach its potential. If they had competition or fear of losing revenue, I bet they would pay a little more attention to whats going on :/
                      Right on, i hear ya. I don't know if people are oblivious so much as they are just worn down from hearing hundreds of people say what you're saying year after year for around 10 years. We get it. Not everybody has identical opinions, but your opinion isn't a new one. Anybody who has played NCAA and visited a forum has been bombarded every year with extremists from both sides and people repeating arguments like they're brand new. I think it was said best when you were told "this isn't helpful".

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                      • ODogg
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                        • Feb 2003
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                        #236
                        Re: Staff Roundtable: How Are We Feeling About NCAA Football 12 Now?

                        Well i know one thing, the beta testers for this game need fired..
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                        • aarontab
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                          #237
                          Re: Staff Roundtable: How Are We Feeling About NCAA Football 12 Now?

                          Originally posted by ODogg
                          Well i know one thing, the beta testers for this game need fired..
                          Then how would they pay for food for their seeing-eye dogs?

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                          • ODogg
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                            #238
                            Re: Staff Roundtable: How Are We Feeling About NCAA Football 12 Now?

                            Originally posted by aarontab
                            Then how would they pay for food for their seeing-eye dogs?
                            Lol, that's a good one...
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                            • JaySmooov
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                              #239
                              Originally posted by ODogg
                              Yeah because EAs football games were so much different when they had competition..... I agree we need more companies doing football games but EA isn't going to suddenly make there games radically different if there is.
                              These people don't realize that EA is a major company; Ea Sports is under the EA brand, but it's still produced by EA guys. 2K Sports isn't under a "2K" brand, it's a subsidiary of Take-Two interactive, which is also a major company.

                              EA's focus is to make money. Period. Play online long enough and you will see that it takes no knowledge of college football or football in general, or relative skill, to win a game; all it takes is a couple money plays and a little luck. So they will half-*** and band-aid certain areas just to put more resources into making more money. Nothing wrong with that. Ever wonder why sliders are even included in a game? (If you're argument is to make the game play better, your wrong because if that was the case EA could do that on their own.)

                              2K can focus on making the best basketball game out because it doesn't have to focus on specifically making money; they make money by thinking of the fans first and considering what they feel would improve the game. They even admitted to certain band-aids being in the game to discourage players from cheesing.

                              Think about this; Drug dealers have to bag drugs, right? Ok, so some bags are smaller than others, purposely. Why? Because if you put slightly less drug in each bag, you can get more bags. More bags = more money. Sure you could say, why would you charge people for more than what they are getting, but the drug dealer has customers throughout the city, so his main focus is selling as many bags as possible.

                              2K, on the other hand, is the dealer who gives their few, loyal customers what they're paying for, plus maybe a little extra.

                              Didn't wanna compare to drugs but it's all I could think of, haha. I think it's a great example though.

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                              • Daniels2386
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                                • Jul 2008
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                                #240
                                Re: Staff Roundtable: How Are We Feeling About NCAA Football 12 Now?

                                Everyone likes this idea that EA is half-assing it. They most likely are, but it's foolish to believe 2K will "save" us - and lets be honest
                                Im not saying 2k sports will save us with there game cause its better. I think EA is WAAY more than capable of making the best game ever! This game has extreme potential Ive said it alot lol. The thing that 2K will provide is competition. Its no secret everyone is trying to make money and competition would cut into EA's revenue. They would either make a better game OR see people convert over. I dont think with EA its so much incapabilities as it is just lazyness/un-caring. When we buy they get paid. When THIS (NCAA) is all we can buy what would they be worried about? Bug here glitch there who cares? Your going to buy there product cause they make these games some of the most anticipated release's every year.

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