PATCH INFO RELEASED..progression not fixed?

[C the Lyte]

Re: PATCH INFO RELEASED..progression not fixed?

I didn't play last year's. How could it have possibly gotten worse from where it's at now?

Progression and recruits (DB's WR's) were too low and had agilities/awareness butchered, respectively.

Progression is on the high side now I agree, but if it's too low it affects 2 things... stars are hard to come by, superstars even harder, and rookies were already trash when exported to Madden. With that low of ratings, I just started using Madden draft classes as the top 5 picks were @ best, 4-th rounders IMO.

First part of my reply may not be entirely accurate, but is close.

[Pogo27]

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BS....you shouldn't have to cheese to avoid a LB from leaping 10ft in one direction to block a pass. It just shouldnt happen. Period. Not everyone can spend 10 hours a day learning the nuances of how to avoid super LB's while passing.

It's not cheesing and it's not 10 hours. It's common sense.


You've spent 10 hours of playing the game and posting in the threads complaining about the linebackers.

I've used common sense to determine that if I'm throwing over the middle, my pass needs a little air under it, or I need to look at the LBs and find the lane to throw it through them.

I don't see people complaining about super DEs that always hit their RB in the backfield. Why? Because people are more easily capable of using common sense to find the running lanes.

Start using the same common sense to find the throwing lanes.

[cparrish]

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Start using the same common sense to find the throwing lanes.

Haha, I couldn't have said it better myself. In our OD last year, I averaged 63% completion on SEC's All-American Sliders, and my friends all averaged under 50% and would constantly complain about the "super LB'ers," when in reality all they had to do was not throw the ball when a LB is between the QB and a WR. Really not that difficult to figure out.

Like you said, when you are controlling the RB, do you run right into a defender or offensive linemen, or do you look for the open lanes to run through. Passing is no different...

[Mtneer08]

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I wanted progression fixed more than anything.

[cparrish]

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Different strokes for different folks man. I agree that if progression is untouched, that's overlooking a lot. There shouldn't be that many 95 or better players. Same goes for all those A and A+ coaches and coordinators.

The main problem I have noticed while working on my rosters is frosh and soph's are not rated correctly for the progression system NCAA 12 is using. So if you are using rosters that have not been edited specifically for this, you are going to see a ton of 99's in two or three years down the road. What I have done is started editing all the Frosh and Soph's ratings so they progress properly by the time they are Juniors and Seniors.

The QB's awareness progressing too much like the OP said is something I am still looking into. I also believe it has to do with the Coach and Coordinator ratings, which I have been editing and plan on editing more in the future.

[justinwhitaker11]

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I think progression is much more of a concern than the tendancy issue as far as dynasty goes. You can always edit the tendancies before you play the team if it only affects game play. There is no way to fix progression. All they had to do was let us edit coaches ratings in dynasty and that would fix progression for the most part. VERY dissapointed that progression wasn't patched. O well.

[okstate123]

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As has been mentioned, player progression doesn't need to be touched. It's coaching progression that is causing the inflated roster ratings.

If you don't make any edits to the default coaching prestiges, you'll see 50+ A+ coaches by year 10.

Disappointed this won't be addressed in the next patch.

[bigfordtruck420]

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I agree with you that it would piss me off seeing Kellen Moore scramble but this to me is just much more a problem. It effects not only NCAA but Madden as well. This one thing could ruin madden franchises because of the highly rated players. The rookies in this years games are very low. With the highest being 82. I remember Suh was a 85 and McCoy was a 84. People can argue that Peterson would be better and more important than McCoy. The best QB has a 76. Now with the draft classes, and only talking about year 1. There is a bunch of 90 rated QB's At the end of the year, i had 4 99's, Luck, Moore, Keenum and Griffen III. That was just with the IN-SEASON progression. they are most likely to be over 80ovr. Now fast foward to year 10, will 64 rookies come in with over 80ovr? and remember thats JUST 99. It could litterally come to a point where the lowest rated rookie drafted in the 7th round is a 70. Think of how it will be in a few years after progression, every NFL team will be stocked with 90's

You have no idea how the players will be rated when imported to Madden. How do you know these ratings aren't tuned to work well with imports? Maybe you should stop pretending you know how the imports will work on a game that is still 3 weeks from release.

[bigfordtruck420]

Re: PATCH INFO RELEASED..progression not fixed?

As has been mentioned, player progression doesn't need to be touched. It's coaching progression that is causing the inflated roster ratings.

If you don't make any edits to the default coaching prestiges, you'll see 50+ A+ coaches by year 10.

Disappointed this won't be addressed in the next patch.

From what I remember in previous versions, the coach prestige rating affects recruiting, not progression. It's the team prestige rating (1-6 stars) that determines progression. I definitely think the inflated coach prestige ratings are a problem, I just don't think its progression being affected by it.

[okstate123]

Re: PATCH INFO RELEASED..progression not fixed?

From what I remember in previous versions, the coach prestige rating affects recruiting, not progression. It's the team prestige rating (1-6 stars) that determines progression. I definitely think the inflated coach prestige ratings are a problem, I just don't think its progression being affected by it.

I've tested this by lowering coach prestige across the board and definitely saw a difference in the overall talent as compared to what you'd get with the default prestige. The problem, though, is that it doesn't matter how much you decrease prestiges, there will be far too many A+ coaches in a matter of a few seasons.

[TDenverFan]

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The coach progression is 100 times worse. You can avoid the roster glitch by not editing the rosters. You cant avoid the coach progression issue.

If there are 2 glitches that almost everyone agrees are SIGNIFICANT, then the one you cant avoid is obviously worse.

I disagree. I have not seen this at all. 4 years into my WMU dynasty, 9 MAC coaches are a D or D+ prestige. Akron has a B+, EMU has a B, and WMU has a C+. one other coach might have a C, but I'm not sure. Everybody but my Broncos are a 78 overall or less, with Akron, EMU, Ball State, Bowling Green, Buffalo, and Kent being in the 60s overall.

Conversely, I have noticed the roster glitch. Initially I didn't think that was a big deal, but by summing a couple of games I can see how it's bad.

[nonnel]

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Lol... this thread is funny. I just love the fact that there's so many flaws in this game that now people just debate about which flaw is worse.

[crackbabyathletics]

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how is progression a problem? in my dynasty, teams are actually getting WORSE instead of better.
if anything, the default rosters are too highly rated because once the freshmen from default rosters graduate, teams take a large hit to their overall rating. oklahoma had 99 offense and 99 defense in year 3 of my dynasty, now theyre about 90 offense 90 defense.

in year 4 of my dynasty, the top ten players in the ncaa are 8 qb's and 2 kickers! progression is an issue but not because players are too good. there isnt a single LT in the ncaa rated 90 or above. this would never happen in real life.

i think their needs to be more diversity in the 5 star recruits. right now, the only 5 stars are wr's hb's and athletes. i have personally never seen a 5 star olineman which is totally unrealistic.

[SteboSSK]

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I wouldn't say that. LB's hardly affect me much because nearly every time I go over the middle I lob it now so LB's can't touch it, but when I do throw a bullet sometimes I see LB's that in real life would never have been able to react, stop, jump, and touch the ball in the amount of time they do.

The biggest problem I have with the LB's on passes over the middle are not their verticals because they aren't that unrealistic. I have a problem with how quickly they react and how they act like momentum does not affect them. That's what makes them super.

Hit it right on the head. Same thing with the DBs at times. I will see a DB turn on a dime and jump right on an INT like he is Deion Sanders. I mean its cool every now and then especially if its a highly rated CB but not when Im playing Duke...

[Mtneer08]

Re: PATCH INFO RELEASED..progression not fixed?

how is progression a problem? in my dynasty, teams are actually getting WORSE instead of better.
if anything, the default rosters are too highly rated because once the freshmen from default rosters graduate, teams take a large hit to their overall rating. oklahoma had 99 offense and 99 defense in year 3 of my dynasty, now theyre about 90 offense 90 defense.

in year 4 of my dynasty, the top ten players in the ncaa are 8 qb's and 2 kickers! progression is an issue but not because players are too good. there isnt a single LT in the ncaa rated 90 or above. this would never happen in real life.

i think their needs to be more diversity in the 5 star recruits. right now, the only 5 stars are wr's hb's and athletes. i have personally never seen a 5 star olineman which is totally unrealistic.

You dont start seeing the crazy progression until about year 6 or 7. Get ready to see about 20 QB's with 99 overall ratings.(no joke) After about year 6 pretty much every QB you face is awesome.