BCS Will Continue as the Postseason Format For All Years of Dynasty in NCAA Football

[JerseySuave4]

SO we haven't had this in a football game since....EVER and now people don't want the game? This makes 0 sense, why is this such a big deal?????

um yes we have, in the older games they gave us the option. Someone asked if we'd like them to just make up a method of selecting the teams, yes i'd take that. It's very simple, take your top 4 BCS teams and have them play in a playoff. Was that so hard? At least it's something. It's not like they're going to use the same criteria as the committee will use because the committee will have human influence. They already give us ridiculous BCS Championship games featuring teams you won't ever see in the Championship game your entire life. So what's the big deal with creating some sort of way to pick the 4 teams for the playoffs?

[Exile04]

how hard would it be take the top 4 teams in the BCS system and have them play that was hard. maybe i should be paid a crazy salary for figuring it out.

[Husker_OS]

Re: No Playoffs in NCAA 14

Why is that "malarkey"? Would you prefer they make up criteria? It is what it is.

They made up criteria for the Playstation version.

Just saying.

I think EA's not doing this due to the many other problems and the criteria for picking teams shouldn't have much weight on their decision.

[JerseySuave4]

You could do that but if that's not how selections are going to made then people would complain that it wasn't right. The other piece to figure out is how the bowl games that get the first round of playoffs will be rotated and picking the national championship game site.

I would have liked a generic playoff like you suggested, but the NCAA/BCS may not have allowed that option. It won't effect me enjoying the game. Gameplay determines that one.

I'd rather people be complaining about how the playoff was selected than have no playoff in there at all.

[blkrptnt819]

Thank You EA. Long live the BCS!!!

[T-Moar]

Re: No Playoffs in NCAA 14

What about the previous fourteen years then, or every single release between then and now? I assert that if one were to accurately form an expectation, one should form such an expectation from strong - and more importantly recent - trends rather than from one-off examples.

That anything should be expected from things that were done nearly two decades ago when both college football and the video games industry have changed dramatically over that timespan strikes me as illogical and ridiculous.

This. Plus, after they openly said that they don't put stadium renovations in before they're finalized, why would anybody expect that they would include an actual dramatic modification to the college football season's framework before it was complete? They JUST released the list of bowl sites. As bad as rankings and schedules are now, can you imagine if they forced a playoff system in too?

Is it disappointing that they didn't include the playoff this year? Yes.

Is it surprising or unwarranted? Absolutely not.

[JerseySuave4]

They made up criteria for the Playstation version.

Just saying.

I think EA's not doing this due to the many other problems and the criteria for picking teams shouldn't have much weight on their decision.

I think they're not doing it because it involves more work and they can't even get things like running motions to look right in a year where they're touting the run game as the big improvement.

[Hooe]

Re: BCS Will Continue as the Postseason Format For All Years of Dynasty in NCAA Footb

So what's the big deal with creating some sort of way to pick the 4 teams for the playoffs?

From Tiburon's standpoint, it's more cost-effective to do the design and implementation exactly once at a time when all the specifics of how playoff team selection will be handled are tacked down.

If they made up something this year and it turned out to be a fundamentally wrong approach, they'd have to scrap and redo it, which is time and money that could have gone to implementing a different feature in the previous year for this current version.

[JerseySuave4]

From Tiburon's standpoint, it's more cost-effective to do the design and implementation exactly once at a time when all the specifics of how playoff team selection will be handled are tacked down.

If they made up something this year and it turned out to be a fundamentally wrong approach, they'd have to scrap and redo it, which is time and money that could have gone to implementing a different feature in the previous year for this current version.

No they wouldn't, they go to new systems soon anyway so they won't be worrying about this current gen for much longer, the new systems will become the priority and they can rework it on those.

[Big FN Deal]

Re: BCS Will Continue as the Postseason Format For All Years of Dynasty in NCAA Footb

I am not buying NCAA 14 either way but I totally feel anyone that's "dissed" by this announcement. It doesn't seem like that hard of thing to implement a playoff OPTION, Tiburon makes up whatever else they want to.

[Hooe]

Re: BCS Will Continue as the Postseason Format For All Years of Dynasty in NCAA Footb

No they wouldn't, they go to new systems soon anyway so they won't be worrying about this current gen for much longer, the new systems will become the priority and they can rework it on those.

I'm 99% sure that Cam Weber is on-record somewhere saying that the next-gen versions of Madden and NCAA will not be code base restarts; this was in response to how the transition from Gen 6 to Gen 7 was handled when the legacy code base was scrapped. Whatever is written for this current generation of systems for NCAA's career mode likely has implications on what we see in NCAA Football 15 next year on Gen 8 consoles.

To that end, yes, it absolutely is more cost-effective for Tiburon to wait and implement the new playoff system exactly once, correctly, and with a design based on known real-life parameters rather than speculation.

[T-Moar]

Re: BCS Will Continue as the Postseason Format For All Years of Dynasty in NCAA Footb

No they wouldn't, they go to new systems soon anyway so they won't be worrying about this current gen for much longer, the new systems will become the priority and they can rework it on those.

You're implying that once the next gen systems come out, they'll immediately drop all support for the current consoles, and that hasn't been shown to be the case.

The first Madden/NCAA set to make it to Xbox 360 was 06. PS3 and Wii both got 07. The last NCAA game to come out on PS2 was 11, and the last Madden to do so was Madden 12. Obviously, they didn't make updates to those like they did to the 360/PS3 counterparts, but if anything, that should mean that they should want to get the playoff system right immediately so that they don't have to spend time on fixing it for PS3/360 that they could be spending on the next consoles.

[jmik58]

No one outside of the tight inner circle of the BCS knows what all goes into it, yet it's in EA's game. So why does EA have to have all the details on the playoff selection committee before including it?

Just use the exact same formula already in the game to determine the top 4 teams and apply it to the playoff setup.

[Ziza9Noles94]

Re: No Playoffs in NCAA 14

No, individual media members are not represented in the game. My point is that there is a certain methodology that the selection committee will use when making determinations as to who gets into the playoff. How much does rank matter? How much does strength of schedule matter? How much does strength of victory matter? How much does conference prestige matter? Will winning one's conference be a virtual requirement to appear in the playoffs?

Development of whatever algorithm Tiburon uses to implement the playoff selection is going to require input and research that hasn't happened yet. I'd rather they spend time to get something that's a grounded representation of whatever is going to exist rather than have something haphazardly thrown in.

I feel what you are saying and I'm not usually the guy who complains a lot. However, on this I have to disagree. If EA had spent the entirety of this console generation focusing on getting everything exactly right and as realistic as possible I'd say yeah they shouldn't have things just thrown in and reworked the next year. But they do that with other aspects of the game every year. There are camera angles that don't exist in real life broadcasts. You can add and subtract teams, build up to a conference championship game, etc. via custom conferences without following the exact way it is done in real life. Recruiting, a huge part of dynasty, is nothing like real life. EA simply came up with their own method that tries to incorporate some real life aspects. In Dynasty we don't get a vote in the coaches poll if we are the HC of a team. How they come up with the poll results, as well as the media poll is unknown. Their BCS formula is not the same as the one used in the real world.

I could go on, but the point is that wanting them to implement an algorithm to select four teams based on ranking, SOS, and three or four other criteria, then tweaking it next year for NCAA 15 so that it perfectly represents the way it will be next season doesn't seem so far fetched. We (the buying public) still won't know for sure how the algorithm and criteria analysis will work under the hood next year to mimic the real life selection. So adding it this year and creating what they think would go into it wouldn't have bothered people as much as moving into the 2014 season in Dynasty and still being locked into the BCS format will.

Not a deal-breaker for me, but I did hope they would have added it into this year's game.

[T-Moar]

Re: BCS Will Continue as the Postseason Format For All Years of Dynasty in NCAA Footb

No one outside of the tight inner circle of the BCS knows what all goes into it, yet it's in EA's game. So why does EA have to have all the details on the playoff selection committee before including it?

Because:
1. EA still has to answer to the NCAA. That's also why we don't have player discipline or storming the field.
2. If it wound up not being exactly like its real life counterpart, this board would RIOT. If you don't believe me, just use the search function and look up "rankings."
3. As Hooe has said, doing it now basically means they do a ton of work for nothing. Time spent coding a playoff system into the game trades directly off with other stuff. And time costs money, which EA doesn't want to have to spend.