Next Gen core engine is the same

[dghustla]

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This thread is why I quit reading alot of posts on here..if anyone doesnt think the next gen version plays better than current then they will never be satisfied...I dont know what you expect from a "video game" its never gonna be like you can call the plays and they play out exactly like you see on Sunday..
I've come to the conclusion all the negative crap that alot of you spew is just that..crap and you will never be satisifed until they put you on the sidleines in a real NFL game...and then you'd probably complain about something

I think that is wrong attitude to have. What makes this next gen forum different from the current gen forum is that 90% of the ppl commenting in here have the game. This isn't a bash fest based on dev videos or jaded gamers who haven't bought a football title in 5+ years.

I was (still am) one of the biggest Madden supporters pre-release. But to say that the game is different because "you say so" is no better than the ppl who say The game is worst because "they say so".

No one is expecting the game to be like it is on Sundays to a tee. And regardless of the marginal improvements that separate next game from current gen is the fact that the animations are identical to current gen.

What ppl expect is that Out Routes and Corners routes don't get open on every play. When my team has R. Sherman he actually shuts down his man and not play like 60 over bum. That guys like Cam Wake, JPP,Suggs,Matthews, etc can get around the QB's general area and create pressure/sacks. That TE don't run wild. Defenders who play as unit.


I play Madden UT and 90% of the players run the same offense, out route, curl, screen, corner, toss, seam, repeat. hell even the cpu completes 80% of their passes doing the same thing. I enjoy playing madden but every game feels the same. because the game has taken strategy and personnel out of the equation. I spend 90% of defense snaps audibling to take those routes and plays away.

At the end of the day I've come to accept that Madden is a video game just like COD & Battlefield. Just because u can snipe in a video game doesn't mean that person can snipe in real life. Just that they understand game mechanics and use them to their advantage. Same with Madden to enjoy the game you have to accept Madden-Ball. Which means stuff like zone defense is better at stopping the run than man defense or run blitzing, that the TE has a 90% chance to get open Everytime, and Speed is the only attribute that matters.

[TombSong]

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Once again this is ALL opinion and not fact. It's ability to emulate its sport is YOUR opinion and not necessarily mine or a lot of other peoples opinion but you all act as if your opinion is consensus because you have a couple of other people agree with you. Plus we're talking about Next-Gen Madden and 2K. Some of you're opinion is based of of CG Madden and what has happened or not happened over the years.

NBA 2K is notorious for not fixing problems. See the 2K forums concerning Association, clipping and warping, online gameplay and myriad of things that have not been "fixed" or made worse within the last few versions.

All those things you laid out that Madden should have are valid points but there are plenty of things that can be added to 2K, The Show and any other sports game you can name. I'm not defending Madden i'm moreso laughing at the pedastal you all are putting 2K on. It's laughable. I think a lot of people have gotten caught up in how pretty next gen 2k looks and are getting a little blinded in their opinions and statements. So i stand by statement that NEITHER game made a significant leap to Next-Gen so this Madden bashing is really silly at this point. It could also be argued that 2K is actually worse but then again it's all about who you ask.

Most things posted in any forum is opinion. I was responding to your "opinion." Hey guess what ? Your opinion is YOUR opinion and not necessarily mine or a lot of other peoples opinion but you all act as if your opinion is consensus because you have a couple of other people agree with you.

Also, How is critiquing madden silly ? Because YOU don't like whats being said ? I really don't care how you feel about 2K basketball because that ain't the point of this thread and as always you are entitled to your opinion on it and can critique it all you want. I wont call it silly that you do so.

[GiantBlue76]

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With all that said, NBA2K still represents the sport its emulating WAY better than Madden represents football. It would be one thing If 2K was producing garbage each year, or not fixing problems. Then that point could be made.

Madden NG is STILL chasing AP2K8. EVERYTHING you can do in Madden can be done in AP2K8 but the reverse CANNOT be said.

Delayed blitz and Blitz angles to choose gaps can be done in AP2K8

The defensive line play call is not tied to the play in AP2K8 which gives you the ability to call stunts on either side or the middle of the defensive line.

Your defensive linemen(ALL of them) can still move in any direction while engaged with a blocker. They are not stuck in place playing patty cake and can reach for the ball carrier.

Didn't need a NG console to have "True Step" Players move like they suppose to by default.

Could easily switch between left/right cover 3 shell look or cover 2 and cover 1 shells.

Defensive hot routes were called without having to switch to each defender to make the call.

You could increment how far your CB's would play off a WR. Not just the 2 options(press or off) with have with Madden.

You could customize your playbook and have it set the way you ordered it. Not the Hot mess your playbook becomes in Madden when you make a custom playbook.

You could setup packages so you don't have to be trying to do that in between play calls the lame way its done in Madden.

I can send more than one man in motion in AP2K8, cant do that in Madden
(If its in the game its in the game ?)

On the fly audibles , better commentary, formation shifts, interactive sidelines, etc all done in 2008.

Good post Tomb. Cannot disagree with a single point here. I like Next Gen Madden, it's a fun game, but it's not there yet, as you stated. I still own my APF disc and I STILL can't throw it away. I'd certainly like to some day, but not yet.

I realize that the Tiburon team is trying to rectify the situation, but making a realistic football game is much harder for them than it was for those "other" guys.

[C_Bailey24]

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Most things posted in any forum is opinion. I was responding to your "opinion." Hey guess what ? Your opinion is YOUR opinion and not necessarily mine or a lot of other peoples opinion but you all act as if your opinion is consensus because you have a couple of other people agree with you.

Also, How is critiquing madden silly ? Because YOU don't like whats being said ? I really don't care how you feel about 2K basketball because that ain't the point of this thread and as always you are entitled to your opinion on it and can critique it all you want. I wont call it silly that you do so.

No whats silly is the constant critiquing of Madden but then when the other games have the SAME flaws, i.e., the core engine being the same (which is the original point of the thread) everything gets looked at and critiqued differently.

[GiantBlue76]

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No whats silly is the constant critiquing of Madden but then when the other games have the SAME flaws, i.e., the core engine being the same (which is the original point of the thread) everything gets looked at and critiqued differently.

Isn't it kind of silly what you are saying? I mean, just because a game keeps the same core "engine", doesn't necessarily mean that's a bad thing, does it? If the core is fundamentally sound and well implemented, then it would be a good thing. NBA 2k and NFL 2k had that. Madden had it at one time as well. The problem is that things went awry when the 360 launched and they built a new core, which was a mess from the beginning.

The problem with Madden is that it still plays like "madden" and not football. The casual player can enjoy madden to the tilt. The hard core football enthusiast has nothing to play that matched what we had in 2004 and in 2008.

Building a house on a cracked and damaged foundation will eventually lead to the collapse of the house. Building a flawed house on top of a solid foundation always allows for the house to be fixed.

[TombSong]

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No whats silly is the constant critiquing of Madden but then when the other games have the SAME flaws, i.e., the core engine being the same (which is the original point of the thread) everything gets looked at and critiqued differently.

I am willing to bet that if 2K starts to develpe NBA2K like Tiburon has done madden, they are gonna get a heavy dosage of the same treatment. 2K kinda gets a pass because the game for the most part does what most expect and pays a lot of attention to detail. Madden on the other hand............

[Old Mr T]

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The constant critiquing of Madden on here is very constructive for the most part and it's encouraging that EA devs sometimes read this forum.

I really like Madden and I enjoy each and every release, but I value the articulate constructive contributions from many forum members on how this game can improve.

[LBzrule]

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People get mad when there is a contrast critique, but they lose site of the argument by making an argument against the other person, by trying to call them hypocritical. The argument isn't about the other person and it isn't necessarily about the contrast. The argument is really about Madden. And that's where the focus should stay. So what if someone makes a contrast. Don't get sidetracked by the contrast. Focus on Madden because that's what needs to get better desperately. The biggest and most telling evidence is not in what any poster on here says, but in how the developers of Madden have talked about their game over the last 8/9 years. Even they are not happy with it, have not been happy with it and understand it has a long way to go so why are people getting their underwear caught in their crack when someone says something they don't like? Can we all agree on one thing; that we all want a better football game from EA? I think we all agree on that. We might not agree on what they need to do to make it better and that's fine.

[TombSong]

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The constant critiquing of Madden on here is very constructive for the most part and it's encouraging that EA devs sometimes read this forum.

I really like Madden and I enjoy each and every release, but I value the articulate constructive contributions from many forum members on how this game can improve.

This is what a lot of the "Defend Madden at all costs" guys don't understand. I myself play A LOT of Madden. The game can be fun. However, when you look at whats been done in older games and what other games are doing going forward, and link that with the legacy issues that never get addressed year after year. I think any reasonable person would realize there are gonna be complaints.

[roadman]

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People get mad when there is a contrast critique, but they lose site of the argument by making an argument against the other person, by trying to call them hypocritical. The argument isn't about the other person and it isn't necessarily about the contrast. The argument is really about Madden. And that's where the focus should stay. So what if someone makes a contrast. Don't get sidetracked by the contrast. Focus on Madden because that's what needs to get better desperately. The biggest and most telling evidence is not in what any poster on here says, but in how the developers of Madden have talked about their game over the last 8/9 years. Even they are not happy with it, have not been happy with it and understand it has a long way to go so why are people getting their underwear caught in their crack when someone says something they don't like? Can we all agree on one thing; that we all want a better football game from EA? I think we all agree on that. We might not agree on what they need to do to make it better and that's fine.

If I could like this post 100 times, I would.

Madden still has a ways to go for a NFL video game. I think people that know me in here know that I've harped on realistic penalties for years, and for the first time, we had a straight answer in here before the game was released. Tell me it's going to take a few years, it's better than constantly bringing it up in every thread.

We need the people to continue to critique the game and Madden constructively. As LBz said, focusing on the game and Madden, not the individual posters.

My only issue is when I say or someone else says that it's better than CG, then some people feel the need to come back and say, I don't like it when people give Madden a pass, or I don't like it when people say it's better than CG. And the reverse is also true.

I totally agree with LBz message, the posts shouldn't be focused on the posters, it should be focused on making Madden better.

[NDAlum]

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Thread has run its course

It's the same song & dance